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		<title>By: AbdulHasib</title>
		<link>http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2006/02/21/hanbali-sufis/#comment-1857</link>
		<dc:creator>AbdulHasib</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Mar 2006 14:27:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Assalaamu'alaikum wa rahmatAllah,

Nice blog, thought i'd check it out since you're on the forums. CAN'T WAIT TO VISIT DURBAH! Seen too many vids of Bilal attackin dudes, .. hmm i need to freshen up on Muay Thai anyway, ha.

i've read some of the blog but not all of it, but just a
a few comments regarding this one...

a) when using the term 'Salafi' or 'sufi' we have to ask first "what do you mean by it?" So defining the term doesn't lead to dispute later down the road, not only could the person you are discussing this with have a problem with defining the TERM itself but his CONCEPT of it.

b) after answering the above; I ask you a second question, Where did you hear that all "salafis" (based on your definition) are hanbali? 

c) third, There is such a great lack of insaaf (justice, equality, seeing both sides objectively) and even GREATER lack of hikmah (wisdom) when anyone discusses the issue of tasawwuf. There are 1) those that go into EXTREMES FOR Tasawwuf and mis quoting texts and even more so mis quoting ayaat and ahaadeeth. 2) those that go in EXTREMES in REJECTING it. The path of Ahlus Sunnah wal Jamma'ah, is the middle path, that we don't go into EITHER extrems. And we should all REALIZE that these extremes rose from the Ummah from what? Not following the sunnah of who? THE MESSENGER OF ALLAH (salAllahu a'laihee wa salam). That when hadith are given, people reject and say "but LOOK AT THE (x amount) of scholars that said THIS and THAT." And we tell them the statement of Abu Bakr (radyAllahu a'nh) when a man asked him for HIS opinion, he said "What earth could carry me, what heaven could shade me if I spoke about a single verse of Allah's Book according to my mere opinion or to say something of which I have no knowledge?" (Ibn al-Qayyim in I`lam al-Muwaqqi`in) and the statement of Imaam Ash-Shafi'i, after ash-Shafi'i narrated a hadith to a man who asked him about a certain matter the latter said: "Do you also say the same?" whereupon al-Shafi'i seemed jolted, his color changed, and he said: "Woe to you! What earth would carry me, what heaven would shade me if I narrated from Allah's Messenger -- Allah bless and greet him -- something but did not adhere to it? Yes, I adhere to it heart and soul! Yes, I adhere to it heart and soul!" (narrated by Al-Hakim, also mentioned in Ibn al-Qayyim in I'lam al-Muwaqqi'in).

d) Raising the level of something by way of its VIRTUES is not permitted, as an usool principle. 

And i wish everyone could have taken The Code Evolved, to TRULY appreciate what the scholars did and went through to preserve the Sunnah of our Prophet SalAllahu a'laihee wa salam.

WAllahu A'lam

:) See you around bro.

WAssalaamu'alaikum wa rahmatAllah</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Assalaamu&#8217;alaikum wa rahmatAllah,</p>
<p>Nice blog, thought i&#8217;d check it out since you&#8217;re on the forums. CAN&#8217;T WAIT TO VISIT DURBAH! Seen too many vids of Bilal attackin dudes, .. hmm i need to freshen up on Muay Thai anyway, ha.</p>
<p>i&#8217;ve read some of the blog but not all of it, but just a<br />
a few comments regarding this one&#8230;</p>
<p>a) when using the term &#8216;Salafi&#8217; or &#8217;sufi&#8217; we have to ask first &#8220;what do you mean by it?&#8221; So defining the term doesn&#8217;t lead to dispute later down the road, not only could the person you are discussing this with have a problem with defining the TERM itself but his CONCEPT of it.</p>
<p>b) after answering the above; I ask you a second question, Where did you hear that all &#8220;salafis&#8221; (based on your definition) are hanbali? </p>
<p>c) third, There is such a great lack of insaaf (justice, equality, seeing both sides objectively) and even GREATER lack of hikmah (wisdom) when anyone discusses the issue of tasawwuf. There are 1) those that go into EXTREMES FOR Tasawwuf and mis quoting texts and even more so mis quoting ayaat and ahaadeeth. 2) those that go in EXTREMES in REJECTING it. The path of Ahlus Sunnah wal Jamma&#8217;ah, is the middle path, that we don&#8217;t go into EITHER extrems. And we should all REALIZE that these extremes rose from the Ummah from what? Not following the sunnah of who? THE MESSENGER OF ALLAH (salAllahu a&#8217;laihee wa salam). That when hadith are given, people reject and say &#8220;but LOOK AT THE (x amount) of scholars that said THIS and THAT.&#8221; And we tell them the statement of Abu Bakr (radyAllahu a&#8217;nh) when a man asked him for HIS opinion, he said &#8220;What earth could carry me, what heaven could shade me if I spoke about a single verse of Allah&#8217;s Book according to my mere opinion or to say something of which I have no knowledge?&#8221; (Ibn al-Qayyim in I`lam al-Muwaqqi`in) and the statement of Imaam Ash-Shafi&#8217;i, after ash-Shafi&#8217;i narrated a hadith to a man who asked him about a certain matter the latter said: &#8220;Do you also say the same?&#8221; whereupon al-Shafi&#8217;i seemed jolted, his color changed, and he said: &#8220;Woe to you! What earth would carry me, what heaven would shade me if I narrated from Allah&#8217;s Messenger &#8212; Allah bless and greet him &#8212; something but did not adhere to it? Yes, I adhere to it heart and soul! Yes, I adhere to it heart and soul!&#8221; (narrated by Al-Hakim, also mentioned in Ibn al-Qayyim in I&#8217;lam al-Muwaqqi&#8217;in).</p>
<p>d) Raising the level of something by way of its VIRTUES is not permitted, as an usool principle. </p>
<p>And i wish everyone could have taken The Code Evolved, to TRULY appreciate what the scholars did and went through to preserve the Sunnah of our Prophet SalAllahu a&#8217;laihee wa salam.</p>
<p>WAllahu A&#8217;lam</p>
<p> <img src='http://www.mujahideenryder.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> See you around bro.</p>
<p>WAssalaamu&#8217;alaikum wa rahmatAllah</p>
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		<title>By: munzareen</title>
		<link>http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2006/02/21/hanbali-sufis/#comment-1856</link>
		<dc:creator>munzareen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Mar 2006 14:41:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>like I say.. SUFIS ARE NOT JUST CRAZY DANCING PEOPLE. sheesh. we need to stop with these disuptes that are meaningless. for instance, just because someone is shafi doesn't mean a hanafi can't pray behind em. hanafi, shafi, hanbali, maliki are not sects. they are schools of fiqh. sufism is not a "sect" of islam either. gosh. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>like I say.. SUFIS ARE NOT JUST CRAZY DANCING PEOPLE. sheesh. we need to stop with these disuptes that are meaningless. for instance, just because someone is shafi doesn&#8217;t mean a hanafi can&#8217;t pray behind em. hanafi, shafi, hanbali, maliki are not sects. they are schools of fiqh. sufism is not a &#8220;sect&#8221; of islam either. gosh.</p>
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		<title>By: tr</title>
		<link>http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2006/02/21/hanbali-sufis/#comment-1855</link>
		<dc:creator>tr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Feb 2006 19:21:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More on Sh Qadir Gilani

http://www.al-baz.com/index.shtml</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More on Sh Qadir Gilani</p>
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		<title>By: jinnzaman</title>
		<link>http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2006/02/21/hanbali-sufis/#comment-1852</link>
		<dc:creator>jinnzaman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2006 20:09:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Br. Umar, where have I intentionally incited sectarian differences? If you read the threads carefully on the various forums, you will see the opposite: an attempt to stifle sectarian in-fighting. 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Br. Umar, where have I intentionally incited sectarian differences? If you read the threads carefully on the various forums, you will see the opposite: an attempt to stifle sectarian in-fighting.</p>
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		<title>By: Mujahideen Ryder</title>
		<link>http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2006/02/21/hanbali-sufis/#comment-1851</link>
		<dc:creator>Mujahideen Ryder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2006 15:38:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i never knew that, mashaAllah!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i never knew that, mashaAllah!</p>
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		<title>By: Quest for Truth</title>
		<link>http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2006/02/21/hanbali-sufis/#comment-1854</link>
		<dc:creator>Quest for Truth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2006 15:16:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I've noticed while doing research on the matter of Islam and Tasawwuf is that the latter is a category which falls within the Sharia (as long as it's the Quran/Sunnah type). So, what I DONT UNDERSTAND is why do certain individuals label people as SUFIS in a negative manner, basically doubting their ISLAM? It's sad because a lot of youth in the US seem to have a bad connotation when the word Sufi is mentioned, like it's something that is WRONG.

It's funny, we wont be the best practicing Muslims, and even have many faults within ourselves, but then we're the first ones to yell the hardest on some of these matters whilst attacking other people of the same faith. 

Allah knows better
H.A.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I&#8217;ve noticed while doing research on the matter of Islam and Tasawwuf is that the latter is a category which falls within the Sharia (as long as it&#8217;s the Quran/Sunnah type). So, what I DONT UNDERSTAND is why do certain individuals label people as SUFIS in a negative manner, basically doubting their ISLAM? It&#8217;s sad because a lot of youth in the US seem to have a bad connotation when the word Sufi is mentioned, like it&#8217;s something that is WRONG.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s funny, we wont be the best practicing Muslims, and even have many faults within ourselves, but then we&#8217;re the first ones to yell the hardest on some of these matters whilst attacking other people of the same faith. </p>
<p>Allah knows better<br />
H.A.</p>
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		<title>By: umar</title>
		<link>http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2006/02/21/hanbali-sufis/#comment-1853</link>
		<dc:creator>umar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2006 15:00:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>salam..nice article..in regards to bro jinzaman...it's funny that you say we shouldn't join in secteratian debates yet on many forums you're headlinging those debates?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>salam..nice article..in regards to bro jinzaman&#8230;it&#8217;s funny that you say we shouldn&#8217;t join in secteratian debates yet on many forums you&#8217;re headlinging those debates?</p>
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		<title>By: barefootstepper</title>
		<link>http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2006/02/21/hanbali-sufis/#comment-1847</link>
		<dc:creator>barefootstepper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2006 02:42:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, i need to practice a bit more, going to do that today. Lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, i need to practice a bit more, going to do that today. Lol</p>
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		<title>By: Danya</title>
		<link>http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2006/02/21/hanbali-sufis/#comment-1850</link>
		<dc:creator>Danya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2006 17:59:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Imam AbdulQadir alJilani was a Hanbali.. you know, the imam to first start tariqas... ya, Hanbali :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Imam AbdulQadir alJilani was a Hanbali.. you know, the imam to first start tariqas&#8230; ya, Hanbali <img src='http://www.mujahideenryder.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2006 17:55:08 +0000</pubDate>
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