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Watching the World Cup, Haram in Somalia

SubhanAllah! The Muslim scholars of Somalia have outlawed and banned the watching of any match of the World Cup. This is absolutely ridiculous! Let me tell you now, the MAJORITY of the Muslim scholars (97%) say it is not haram (forbidden) to watch the World Cup matches. The Somali scholars are probably salafi (just kidding). How come only now they decided to ban them? Why not before? Shouldn’t they be worrying about feeding the thousands of hungry Muslims there!?! Allah knows best.
Here is the Article:

World Cup can be bad for your health
by Dave JamesMon Jun 12, 4:41 AM ET

From Mogadishu to Kabul to Baghdad, watching the World Cup is proving to be bad for your health.

Sometimes it’s fatal.

Hardline Islamic courts in the Somali capital have banned people from watching the action in Germany on television believing it to be against Muslim teaching.

In a brief but violent protest, two people were killed as gunmen, reportedly allied to the Joint Islamic Courts, forced three cinema halls to shut and warned football lovers against watching the matches which were being relayed through satellite.

“The Islamic courts have ordered the closure of three cinema halls,” said Sukahola resident Abdulaziz Hanad.

“They want to make sure that nobody in Mogadishu watches the World Cup.”

In war-torn Baghdad, many Iraqis feared they would miss out on the spectacle as the country’s public broadcaster had no retransmission rights and the cost of subscriptions are beyond the means of many.

“I can’t buy a decoder for the Arab channel that is showing all the matches,” said student Mustafa Abdel Sattar.

For 175 dollars (135 euros), subscribers receive a special package that includes all 64 matches broadcast by the ART channel.

In Afghanistan, the 10,000-strong NATO force can watch the games on cinema-style screens at the the International Security Assistance Force headquarters (ISAF) in Kabul.

German soldiers were to first to test-run the facility by watching their team’s 4-2 win over Costa Rica on Friday 5,000 kilometres (3,000 miles) from where the match was being played in Munich.

They were some of the 200 NATO soldiers — German, French, British, Macedonian, Turkish and Swiss — who gathered in the Wolves’ Den bar in Camp Warehouse to watch a live transmission of the match.

It’s a scenario which would have been impossible five years ago when the Taliban banned television and initially outlawed football.

They relented, but insisted that players wore trousers and sleeves and ordered them to stop for prayers during matches.

Supporters were forbidden to cheer.

On Indonesia’s Java island, where 5,800 people died in May’s earthquake, locals were also trying to get access to World Cup television coverage.

Football fan Faturohman said the prospect of missing out on the tournament would be painful.

“I’m ruined. The electricity in this area is only enough for lights. We can’t watch TV and besides that, my set was flattened by rubble from my house,” said the 19-year-old whose favourite player is England striker Michael Owen.

“People in this area really love to watch soccer. Watching the World Cup would be entertainment for us while we are still grieving from the earthquake.”

Elsewhere, there are other dangers.

Three Kenyans, hoisting a television antenna to watch the World Cup, were electrocuted and nearly killed when they accidentally hit a high-voltage power line in Nairobi.

Article link here: World Cup can be bad for your health


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    1. Balqis June 13th, 2006 at 10:14 pm

      Salam.
      I guess, it’s maybe becuz the history behind the football itself.
      And maybe they think football is haram, becuz in certain aspect it is lagha, such as u miss ur solah watching football, or u wake up late and miss ur fajr solah cuz of watching football late at night (in M’sia i mean). I dunno else, cuz i don’t watch football, but maybe we can think.
      This is just an opinion. peace!

    2. mujahideenryder June 13th, 2006 at 10:46 pm

      Balqis on June 13, 2006 at 10:14 pm said:

      Salam.
      I guess, it’s maybe becuz the history behind the football itself.
      And maybe they think football is haram, becuz in certain aspect it is lagha, such as u miss ur solah watching football, or u wake up late and miss ur fajr solah cuz of watching football late at night (in M’sia i mean). I dunno else, cuz i don’t watch football, but maybe we can think.
      This is just an opinion. peace!

      all those things can happen if u play basketball or u watch a movie or u work in the rice field or something. and only now they are preventing it?

    3. Yaser June 13th, 2006 at 10:48 pm

      What they fail to mention in that article is the reasoning behind the illegality of it. It wasn’t watching the actual football matches, but the alcohol commercials. I mentioned this a little on my last post, so I won’t repeat myself. 😉

    4. mujahideenryder June 13th, 2006 at 11:11 pm

      Yaser on June 13, 2006 at 10:48 pm said:

      What they fail to mention in that article is the reasoning behind the illegality of it. It wasn’t watching the actual football matches, but the alcohol commercials. I mentioned this a little on my last post, so I won’t repeat myself. 😉

      that’s not a good reason, they are probably alcoholic beverages for sale in somalia.

    5. Fabulous June 13th, 2006 at 11:56 pm

      Salam
      lol…thats pretty funny…but ya true true ..it IS kinda wierd that they only do this now. But like someone else had mentioned …they obviously have a pretty good reason… :)
      It prolly wastes too much of their time… and trust me when i say this….africans are wild when it comes to soccer….
      but w/e it is….i know they gotta good reason

      somalie pride! :)

    6. Munzareen June 14th, 2006 at 8:02 am

      I’m sure this isn’t the reason.. Well, it’s possible this could have somehow effected their decision, but you know how in soccer you can see above a man’s knees? That’s his awrah.. his navel to his knees (or I think some people say just before the knees). It whatever case it is sinful to see another man’s thigh. I didn’t read the article but that’s the first thing that came to my mind. Haha.. I had a brother try to argue with me about wrestling and how it’s not bad even though you see so much awrah. You boys are so silly.

    7. Mujahideen Ryder June 14th, 2006 at 8:19 am

      What is even more intresting is that Somalia HAS A NATIONAL FOOTBALL TEAM: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somalia_national_football_team

    8. Balqis June 14th, 2006 at 8:52 am

      Salam.

      So i have something here to ponder about…

      How many Shi’ite Muslims does it take to change a light bulb?One; but he must first wait for a fatwa declaring Western-made light bulbs to be halal.—————————

      How many Whirling Dervish Sufis does it take to change a light bulb? One; but he has to wait until the Thursday night Dhikr to do it!—————————

      How many Taliban does it take to change a light bulb?Light bulbs are haram! If candles and oil lamps were good enough for the Prophet (sas) they’re good enough for us! —————————-

      How many Nation of Islam members does it take to change a light bulb? ONE!! YOU GOT A PROBLEM WITH THAT?!?

      Got it from LaughingMuslim

      Anyway, some commenters put up a good reason, i guess if we want to know why it’s only now the somalian are preventing it, we should look back at the somalian history itself.
      I don’t think i’m good enough to tell about football, u guys are better at it. Peace. Off.
      salam.

    9. Mujahideen Ryder June 14th, 2006 at 9:20 am

      The jokes weren’t that funny.

      “How many Taliban does it take to change a light bulb?Light bulbs are haram! If candles and oil lamps were good enough for the Prophet (sas) they’re good enough for us!”

      Taliban should be replaced with Salafis.

      😀

    10. Amatullah June 14th, 2006 at 10:08 am

      now THAT^^^ was not funny…

    11. Yaser June 14th, 2006 at 10:55 am

      Yah not funny, Taliban were cooler, they were Hanafi Matrudis! Anyways, the reason I didn’t make up, I heard it on NPR before I even saw this blog. Allahu A’lam. But these are new courts in Somalia that have taken control, and its a populist rising against the warlords. And I think the reason is valid, probaly just not a good idea, fatawa like such have existed in the past we can’t throw them out cause they sound odd. Coffee was made haram during the Ottoman times, because people would spend all of their time in the coffeehouses and miss Salah. But this law was only somewhat enforceable in Instanbul. Thats All, Allahu A’lam.

    12. shabana June 14th, 2006 at 12:53 pm

      we all have to admit one thing that watching these games is a big waste of time (youll be accountable for every second you spend in this duniya)- try to take wisdom out of everything instead of criticising it(not that i support the ban) but it does have a point to it.

    13. Mujahideen Ryder June 14th, 2006 at 1:07 pm

      shabana on June 14, 2006 at 12:53 pm said:

      we all have to admit one thing that watching these games is a big waste of time (youll be accountable for every second you spend in this duniya)- try to take wisdom out of everything instead of criticising it(not that i support the ban) but it does have a point to it.

      you are wasting time on my blog.

      just kidding 😀

    14. aka June 14th, 2006 at 1:32 pm

      i agree wid sis shabana,it is a waste of time. why would anyone wanna sit down for 90 min and watch other people try to pot a football in a net, u rather go and do that urself. i aint saying that its haraam, just that they make millions by u guys watching them (fans). What the somali’s done is right its a start at least. hopefully they will ban the TV aswal and all the other haraam stuff.

      we all know who is gonna win the world cup anyway. the best team. BRAZIL.

    15. Shoeb June 14th, 2006 at 1:59 pm

      http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/5078894.stm

      The BBC’s Africa editor David Bamford says the World Cup screenings were not necessarily the main target of the militia’s wrath. “It’s not clear whether the new Islamist rulers in the city have a problem with people watching football.” Their spokesman, Sheikh Abdulkadir Ali Omar, indicated to the BBC that it’s the cinemas that are being targeted because they also showed Western and Indian films that the Islamists say are corrupting the youth,” Bamford said.

      http://www.asiamedia.ucla.edu/article.asp?parentid=47523

      JIC deputy chairman Abdul Kadir Ali Omar said the tribunals would crack down on halls that defied the order to show western films and video, including the World Cup. “This is war against all people who show films that promote pornography, drug dealing and all forms of evil,” Mr Omar told AFP.

      “We shall not even allow the showing of the World Cup because they corrupt the morals of our children whom we endeavour to teach the Islamic way of life,” he added.

      Islamic courts officials said they were against some elements of World Cup, notably the advertisements for alcohol.

    16. Abdul Rahman Hilmi June 14th, 2006 at 2:11 pm

      bismillah
      assalamu alaikum
      not that I agree with the fatwa (GO BRAZIL!!!!!!!) but at these days, walah I feel happy when Muslims hold on to Islam in such an tight way. I would rather see that side of extermism and then inshallah work to correct them, than try and work with Muslims who turned to the other side of extremism and become no different than the non-Muslims.

      The fact that Islam has become the main issue today, that nasheeds are catching on in the Muslim community more than other types of music, that more Muslim women are wearing hijab of their own free will when the previous generation were forced and alot of them didn’t keep it, it makes me happy. It’s a sign of revival for this ummah. I just wish to live and see what will happen to the world in 10 years or so. I’m sure things will be drastically different.

      inshallah.

      wassalam

    17. Mujahideen Ryder June 14th, 2006 at 5:12 pm

      Shoeb on June 14, 2006 at 1:59 pm said:

      http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/5078894.stm

      The BBC’s Africa editor David Bamford says the World Cup screenings were not necessarily the main target of the militia’s wrath. “It’s not clear whether the new Islamist rulers in the city have a problem with people watching football.” Their spokesman, Sheikh Abdulkadir Ali Omar, indicated to the BBC that it’s the cinemas that are being targeted because they also showed Western and Indian films that the Islamists say are corrupting the youth,” Bamford said.

      http://www.asiamedia.ucla.edu/article.asp?parentid=47523

      JIC deputy chairman Abdul Kadir Ali Omar said the tribunals would crack down on halls that defied the order to show western films and video, including the World Cup. “This is war against all people who show films that promote pornography, drug dealing and all forms of evil,” Mr Omar told AFP.

      “We shall not even allow the showing of the World Cup because they corrupt the morals of our children whom we endeavour to teach the Islamic way of life,” he added.

      Islamic courts officials said they were against some elements of World Cup, notably the advertisements for alcohol.

      That’s not right. What about their own somalian games or other sports?

      What they should do is, when it is time for prayer shut off the TV and Radio feeds of the games, thus forcing everyone to come pray, because they can’t watch or listen to the games.

      Regarding the haram movies and such, they have the power to control what comes in the borders and what leaves including what goes on the television. Just control it, don’t just ban everything.

    18. Mujahideen Ryder June 14th, 2006 at 5:25 pm

      aka on June 14, 2006 at 1:32 pm said:

      i agree wid sis shabana,it is a waste of time. why would anyone wanna sit down for 90 min and watch other people try to pot a football in a net, u rather go and do that urself. i aint saying that its haraam, just that they make millions by u guys watching them (fans). What the somali’s done is right its a start at least. hopefully they will ban the TV aswal and all the other haraam stuff.

      we all know who is gonna win the world cup anyway. the best team. BRAZIL.

      are you telling me you have never wasted 90 minutes of your life talking to your friends or talking on the phone or talking on AIM or talking to your siblings.

      brothers play/watch sports, sisters talk/chat.

      hahaha 😀

    19. Yaser June 14th, 2006 at 7:39 pm

      First of all, they do not have control of the country. If you haven’t noticed, the countrys been at war for…ever. This is the first time these courts have been in control and they have only been in power for a few weeks. Second, although i think it is a bit extreme, they have their heads in the right place, we should support them and try to help them fixt ehir methods rather than telling them what they are doing is wrong. They are forbidding evil and promoting good at the most basic and simple level, simply by shutting off the sources that could let it in. We in America are desensitized to such things but alot of what we thing is no harm is very serious and if our past ‘ulema looked at us they’d probaly wish they were dead because of how far the uslim Ummah has fallen into this materialistic culture. I am going to stop ranting, its not good for my health or imaan. :)

    20. Mujahideen Ryder June 14th, 2006 at 8:33 pm

      Yaser on June 14, 2006 at 7:39 pm said:

      First of all, they do not have control of the country. If you haven’t noticed, the countrys been at war for…ever. This is the first time these courts have been in control and they have only been in power for a few weeks. Second, although i think it is a bit extreme, they have their heads in the right place, we should support them and try to help them fixt ehir methods rather than telling them what they are doing is wrong. They are forbidding evil and promoting good at the most basic and simple level, simply by shutting off the sources that could let it in. We in America are desensitized to such things but alot of what we thing is no harm is very serious and if our past ‘ulema looked at us they’d probaly wish they were dead because of how far the uslim Ummah has fallen into this materialistic culture. I am going to stop ranting, its not good for my health or imaan. :)

      If they don’t have control over the country then Somalians can watch the world cup without getting killed. The ‘Ulema should have explained to the people who complained what their intentions were, instead of them shooting them when they rioted.

      In the history of the Prophet (saas) and the first 4 khalifahs, how many Muslims faced the death penalty as a punishment for their bad deeds.

      In fact, how many Muslims were tried in the Islamic courts during the 4 caliphs.

      And yes their were hypocrites and bad Muslims during those times.

    21. Milkshaykh June 14th, 2006 at 10:30 pm

      MR, I support you in this, all the way man!

    22. Balqis June 15th, 2006 at 6:47 am

      Mujahideen Ryder on June 14, 2006 at 9:20 am said:

      The jokes weren’t that funny.

      “How many Taliban does it take to change a light bulb?Light bulbs are haram! If candles and oil lamps were good enough for the Prophet (sas) they’re good enough for us!”

      Taliban should be replaced with Salafis.

      😀

      By the way, it’s not a joke…
      It’s something for us to ponder about…

      Only the blog says LaughingMuslim.

      Salam.

    23. Yaser June 15th, 2006 at 4:11 pm

      Mujahideen Ryder on June 14, 2006 at 8:33 pm said:

      If they don’t have control over the country then Somalians can watch the world cup without getting killed. The ‘Ulema should have explained to the people who complained what their intentions were, instead of them shooting them when they rioted.

      In the history of the Prophet (saas) and the first 4 khalifahs, how many Muslims faced the death penalty as a punishment for their bad deeds.

      In fact, how many Muslims were tried in the Islamic courts during the 4 caliphs.

      And yes their were hypocrites and bad Muslims during those times.

      This is not a valid reply to what I said. Nobody has rioted and nobody has been tried in any courts. Totally irrelevant. All I said is, their not even the official government and your telling them to what amounts as tarrifs of some sort and border patrol. They’re still in the middle of a war! Thats all, no hard feelings. 😉

    24. Mujahideen Ryder June 15th, 2006 at 6:34 pm

      Yaser on June 15, 2006 at 4:11 pm said:

      This is not a valid reply to what I said. Nobody has rioted and nobody has been tried in any courts. Totally irrelevant. All I said is, their not even the official government and your telling them to what amounts as tarrifs of some sort and border patrol. They’re still in the middle of a war! Thats all, no hard feelings. 😉

      Here is my proof (from the above article) for the riots and the somali soldiers killing them:

      In a brief but violent protest, two people were killed as gunmen, reportedly allied to the Joint Islamic Courts, forced three cinema halls to shut and warned football lovers against watching the matches which were being relayed through satellite.

      I do agree with you that we should support rising Islamic courts, but they should be Islamic for basic things. They should made the fatwa on a broader spectrum instead of focusin on one large event that occurs every 4 years.

      Don’t worry man, my feelings and love for you hasn’t changed, plus we on the same e-board now. 😉 This is good practice for when we discuss MSA politics.

      HAHA!

    25. Balqis June 15th, 2006 at 11:32 pm

      Try to read what this brother has to say about World Cup, and maybe it can help if not more, least to what we’re talking about here.
      http://www.ahmed2004uk.blogspot.com/
      Anyway, sorry for interrupting again. Haha, becuz the the debate, kinda hot now.
      Salam.

    26. shab... June 16th, 2006 at 12:08 pm

      talking to ur siblings is a waste of time?LOL

    27. Muslim June 18th, 2006 at 7:59 pm

      http://www.memritv.org/Transcript.asp?P1=1162

    28. Muslim June 18th, 2006 at 8:08 pm

      http://arabnews.com/?page=1&section=0&article=83797&d=15&m=6&y=2006

    29. Mujahideen Ryder June 19th, 2006 at 12:59 pm

      Muslim on June 18, 2006 at 7:59 pm said:

      http://www.memritv.org/Transcript.asp?P1=1162

      that basically goes for all sports, movies, tv, etc.

      why just pick on the world cup. in america, the NBA finals and the superbowl are widely watched.

      plus u can watch the world cup and still pray your salah on time, you need to have control. the guy cursing out the muazzen needs a beat down, he doesn’t have control. you have to have control of your desires.

    30. Ekaskayusmi June 22nd, 2006 at 2:53 am

      Mujahideen Ryder on June 14, 2006 at 8:19 am said:

      What is even more intresting is that Somalia HAS A NATIONAL FOOTBALL TEAM: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somalia_national_football_team

      You have to remember the national soccer team you are referring to was during the time of Siyad Barre.

      [quote]There’s a discussion going on about this topic in one of the Somali forums I go to, and apparently they haven’t actually banned the people from watching the World Cup, but they closed down the theaters because they were showing dirty movies as well. Here’s the link to the thread….[/quote]

      http://www.somaliaonline.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=6;t=006668;p=

    31. Ekaskayusmi June 22nd, 2006 at 3:00 am

      BTW People from Somalia are not, I repeat NOT Somalian rather SOMALI. It is like calling a Pakistani a Pakistanian. Do you hear the awkwardness to it…

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