I was at the protest in NYC against Israel yesterday and I must say I had shocking eye opener. I will go into some details (what I remember) of my time in the city.
I took the train from my house to get to the city. Took the subway to the place where the protest was. I came half an hour early. I watched all the (bias) news media set up which included, CBS News, FOX News, CNN, ABC News and a whole lot more. I saw the people from A.N.S.W.E.R. setting up a large “Free Palestine” banner. As time passed on more and more people came. The protest began 20 minutes before the official start time. The NYPD set up the barricades on the street to box off the area where the protest was. When the actual time, 4:30, came for the official start of the protest, there were at least 300 to 400 people already there. By 5:00, there were probably 1,000 people there. You could see at least 10 to 15 Palestinian and Lebanese flags. A lot of signs saying “Israel is a terrorist state” and “Stop US Aid to Israel”. The chants were: “Free free Palestine!”, “Stop bombing Lebanon!”, “Olmert, Olmert, what do you say? How many kids have you killed today?”, “Hey hey, ho ho, Zionism’s got to go!”, “1, 2, 3, 4! Occupation no more! 5, 6, 7, 8! Israel is a terrorist state!” and others I forget.
Now the things that shocked my mind. There were so many non-Muslims there protesting with us. I had this thought that there were going to be a lot of Muslims (picture a lot of hijabis, bearded brothers, brothers with kufis, etc.). Instead I saw few Muslims and more non-Muslims. I had a great feeling inside that there is hope in this country after all and that Muslims aren’t the only ones that think Bush is an idiot and Zionism is evil.
The most craziest thing I have ever seen was a bunch of Jewish (yeah, JEWISH) rabbis holding Palestinian and Lebanese flags with posters of the Israeli flag with a red cross-circle over it. These were the Orthodox Jews of Neturei Karta (Jews Against Zionism). I will never ever again be bias towards all Jews. I put a picture in this entry of one of the rabbi’s holding up a sign.
Lastly, me and my friend posed next to the 5-10 pro-Israeli Zionists for fun. As you can see we are peacefully standing there smiling and taking a picture while the angry Zionists shout at us and one of them even gives us the finger. This shows the true nature of these Zionists.
Check out Sulayman’s log for futher details (better than mine) about the protest.
Pictures of the protest: Link 1 | Link 2 | Link 3 | Link 4 | Link 5
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Yea those Orthodox Jews are amazing at their rhetoric against Israel, I have read alot of their stuff along time ago. Let me tell you, they are more brutal sounding against the Israelis than we sound…and rightly so, their religion is being tarnished by the actions of a few…actually no alot of Jews. Most Jews in Israel (and around the world for that matter) are Atheists anyways. Its a whole nationalistic superiority thing that they are fighting for.
I had the same experience. I posted my experiences as well.
There’s an album on Facebook (I asked her to make them public). Indymedia has also posted some high quality photos, and more are here and here as well as here.
“Free Free Palestine,” “Down, Down, Israel,” “Unity in Lebanon”, “Olmert, Olmert, what do you say, how many kids did you kill today,” “This is what democracy looks like, that is what hypocrisy looks like,” “Long Live Palestine,” “Free Lebanon,” “No Justice, No Peace! US Out of the Middle East!”etc. I also heard a lot of “Allahu Akbar!”
At least 2 ITS people were there, sadly. They chanted something in Arabic against Jews, and something about supporting Hizbullah.
I thought ITS hated shia? Hizbullah is shia…hhhmmm? I dislike ITS.
In a beautiful display, a Palestinian man hoisted the rabbi on his shoulders and carried him down the street, leading everyone marching towards Grand Central station. It was amazing, Masha Allah.
nice pic bro. You really pissed them off. PEACE
This is so awesome, bro!
This photo is funny and surprising, you have the sense of the danger, LOL. Great
!!!
AA,
another one was “hazza hazza hazza! get out of Gaza!” hazza=now.
what time did it end? I left at 5:40ish.
what/who is/are ITS?
Bunch of Muslims who are extremists that support al-qaeda and osama. they call scholars like imam sudais and shaykh hamza “S.O.B.s’”. astagfirAllah! they are basically similar to groups like al-muhajiroun of the UK
i left around 6. there was a march right after to times square. i missed it.
Just to let you know, when they call scholars S.O.B.s, they say it stands for Scholars Of Baatil (falsehood) and I’m sure any similarity to another expression is purely coincidental
Sh. Hamza Yusuf is very lucky. so many ppl talk about him behind his back so inshAllah he’ll get their good deeds on DOJ.
ahahaha lol. Man bro. seems like it was a lot of fun..to bad they arnt having one of these in Canada! I like those chants a lot, very creative!
M’Salama,
Aysha
ps..Hamza Yusuf is awsommeee!! I dislike ITS as well
This is not surprising given all the atrocities and brutality against other human beings the Israelis commit time and time again.
the truth about what’s happening in Gaza.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StXkdRfAuXk&search=israel%20lebanon%20palestine
those jews are a very small minority that DO NOT represent the jewish religion. they especially do not represent all orthodox jews. They are just like the islamic extremists which you all say do not represent the true islam. The way you all speak on this site proves that the cycle of hate will never end because you teach it to your children and they teach it to thier children. just like you say that the us media is biased, what do you think that video is? it is palestinian propoganda made by people whos interest it was to make it. please open you eyes to the truth. in any case israel will do what it can to fight terror and will win God willing.
aww mashallah you 2 look so cute! i wanna hold a poster too!!!
Maybe you should take the photo down GQ? Your good looks seem to be fitnah for the sisters
(and your friend’s for the brothers I’m sure)
I’m not sure how protesting against the killing of innocent civillians is ’spreading hate’, dave. On the other hand, killing close to 200 civillians, on the basis that “3 soldiers were captured” definitely is. How about the 10 000+ Palestinians held prisoners in Israeli prisons? In Israeli mathematics, that should equal “10,000 x 3 = 30 000/200″ civillian deaths. But of course, you cant just put ‘ human life’ in a lifeless maths equation. Most ppl who attended the protests have as much respect for Israeli life as they do for Palestinian/Lebanese. They already have opened their eyes to the truth of this conflict. On the other hand, you probably havent, since it seems you’re not ready to acknowledge the gross violation of human rights here. Just like the propaganda about WMD in Iraq spread to justify the war on iraq, similarly, today, we see a new propaganda arising: hizbollah’s connection with Iran/Syria. We’ve heard it all before: Iran is now to be deemed another terrorist state; they probably also have *non-existent* nuclear weapons which are *possibly* a threat to the world…and who knows, maybe President ahmedinejad is also somehow connected to Osama bin Laden’s step-brothers, cousin’s, wife’s, dog’s groomer’s sister’s friend. So now that we have a connection, lets attack.
Frankly, dave, I’m sick of ppl like you who are so naive about world politics. Try and spread ‘da luv’ mate! in any case, I certainly will be…in this weekend’s protest in Hyde park.
There are numerous numerous Jewish organizations against Israel. Your argument does not stand Dave. And for the Muslims hatin on the people of the book don’t hate.
thats wassup, holla
Did you just call me GQ? omg! astagfirAllah! im nothing close to GQ, that is that other brother….unless you meant GQ as in the style GQ for men, hahaha.
Thanks Dave for the comment. The Zionist Jews are the extremists Jews, just like we have extremist Muslims. Zionist Jews want to take over the Palestinian land. They want to remove all the Palestinians and now the Lebanese people. The true Jews, the Orthodox Jews, are the peaceful ones who want peace and will live with the Muslims peacefully. They have been doing it for a 1,000 years now, before Palestine was stolen by the Zionist Jews.
Zionist Jews = Al-Qaeda Muslims.
Salam
That sign the rabbi is holding “authentic rabbis oppose the state of israel” is actually true for many jews.
many jews belive that if an actual state of israel exists, it would be the end of the world “day of judgement”. They belive that once a state of israel has been established, day of judgement is very close, and they belive that god will send some people that will kill all jews and destroy the israel state on that day.
“actually very close to what we muslims belive, except that we know that one of the major signs of the day of judgement is when the trees speak against the jews”
alla knows best
salam, bro.
Mind if i take the rabbi’s pic over there?
LOL! Big Mistake! Please accept my apology!
salaam. i went to a rally on wednesday. and it was truly aweseome to see all the ppl holding zionism is not judaism posters and the jews holding a huge banner that said free palestine. and before we left i stopped to hug the main lady who was with them and i told them how glad i was they were there and the response was so genuine and touching. they were so appreciative and they were like its our duty to be here masha Allah
The only reason that israel is in lebanon right now is because THEY kidnapped soldiers. do you even realize that hezballa hides behind civilians so that when israel attacks civillians get killed. Yes israel is definitely using disporpotionate force and that is becasue they want to end this threat completely. dont tell me that i am naive in world politics becuase it is you who dosent put history in context. youre hate for israel stems from the naqba, so dont b.s. with me. The arabs will never forget that israel beat them in all the wars even when israel was outnumbered at least 20 to 1 if not more. but thigns are definetey changing as of late and that is why iran and syria are stepping in. the change is economic and security cooperation with israel and arab states like egypt and jordan. but what hezballa did with the orders from iran/syria is actually very smart…they realized this new shift and started this war so that arabs will unite. another thing that you guys wont admit the fact that israel does NOT target civillians EVER. Israel even sends down leaflets to let them know they must leave the area. I am not saying that there is no humanitarian crisis in gaza and now in lebanon but you guys must see that it is due to terrorism. israel finally snapped bec of all the mortars hamas/islamic jihad threw at israeli towns targeting civillians and the kidnapping of thier soldiers.
BTW, The argument that there are pals prisoners in israeli jails is baseless bec most have blood on thier hands and will not be released. either way im not gona waste my breath here bec arabs will always be arabs and you will always hate israel even if they give back all occupied lands that they won in wars. the proof of that is in where the fighting is right now: gaza and lebanon where israel returned lands.
Also to OECD, you must be very naive if you think that this war was caused only by the kidnapping of the soldiers. if only you all would understand that hezballa is working against you….they dont care at all if civillians die on either side. as long as peaople die it serves them. if civillains in lebanon die then they blame it on israel. either way they win. Except this time that the IDF decided they will not give in. for 6 years israel restrianed itself and that was a huge mistake. if lebanon had implemented un resolution 1559 then this wouldnt even be an issue! israel has absolutely no problem with the lebanese govt (excluding hesballa) in fact they want the lebanese army to deploy in the areas of southern lebanon when hesbulla is displaced. ALso israel has no interest in dragging this issue. economicaly its too expensive with the loss of business and tourism on both sides.
when you guys will stop being ingnorant and brainwashed by youre whole generation on this conflict then maybe things will change till then israel will prevail.
I leave you alone for 2 weeks and you end up in a protest? Nice picture. Have you seen the mosques in Toldeo and Hamilton Ohio? They look like something out of the middle east. Huge gold domes, spires, crescent/star on top of each spire. You can see them for miles and miles. We were on the interstate driving through Ohio when we saw them. We didn’t see any in Canada/Ontario or any where else that matched them.
Dua for mujahideen
“O Allaah Revealer of the Book, Recompenser of the Final account, Destroyer of the confederates. O Most Powerful, O Most Magnificent! O Allaah, verily we ask you to disperse their (the enemy’s) gunfire (upon our warriors) and to shake the ground from beneath their feet and strike terror into their hearts. O Allaah, cripple their support and blind their vision and send upon them decay and disease. O Allaah, divide them against one another and disperse their unity and strike heavy discord amongst their ranks, and make them flee to their destruction, and show us from amongst your wonders and strength that you mete out to them, and make an example of them for those who are heedless. O Allaah quicken their defeat and make their wealth war booty for the Muslims.” “O Allaah grant aid and victory to our brothers, the Mujahideen (all over the world in general, and specifically in Chechnya and Palestine, from amongst the people of the land and the Helpers), and unite their ranks and bring them together upon the word of truth. O Allaah, direct their aim and strengthen their support, and make them steadfast and send upon them your tranquillity and heal their hearts and guide them to all that is good, and cause us (who sit at home) to join their ranks, O Answerer of supplications.” “O Allaah, give them authority and rule, and aid them with your Army of the Heavens and the Earth, O Lord of the Worlds” And peace and blessings of Allaah be upon His Messenger and his family and all the companions
It’s sad that fools like dave are so blind to the truth, even with it staring them in the face. Inshallah, someday people like you will open your eyes and see what is really going on in the world.
Israel says it is shelling Lebanon nito scorched-earth because it wants to get rid of Hezbollah, who captured 2 Israeli soldiers and requested an exchange of prisoners. So that is why Israel is bombing all over Beirut, the Airport, most if not all roads leading out of Lebanon, power-plants, trucks carrying food supplies, etc. in order to rid the country of Hezbollah. To me all that is happening from this disproportionate response is that innocent civilians are dying, infrastructure is being destroyed, and Lebanon is indeed being set back 20 years. Why punish the whole country for the actions of Hezbollah.
Also, all those Palestinian prisoners do not have blood on their hands; some are taken without any real reason other than trying to resist an Israeli officer, etc. Is there anything wrong with fighting for ones own rights and land, which are so brutally denied to the Palestinian people.
And finally, tell me why this situation exists to begin with. Why not give the European Jews a “homeland” in Europe instead of in Palestine. Why enforce the Bible upon a people who do not agree with your religious views?
sure you can.
Bro… Your friend is a girl. Astaghfirullah
Good work. I hope we could do something like that in Denmark as well. There was a protest today… One organised by “Hizb ut-Tahrir”. Don’t know if you know them…
I was so disappointed, when I stopped by. There was only a poor number of Muslims… But it doesn’t surprise me knowing Hizb.
Oh I mean.. There was only Muslims. They didn’t really invite for other religions and cultures… Sadly.
dave! U R NAIVE :S
quite sad though, another victim of brainwash
Why does everything have to be black and white?
Neturay Karta are extermists on one end, and the extremist Zionists are on the other…. I think most people fall out somewhere in the middle. You know that whole 2 state solution ending the occupation and so on…
I’m guessing the same spectrum exhists in Islam
Extremist kill the non Muslim world on one side and the we are religious Muslims but dont need to kill the whole world to spread the word of Allah through Muhammed, with most people being somewhere in between?
Am I wrong? Is the world really black and white only?
Can a muslim apply for citizenship and live in israel?
Sorry Dave, Israel is fighting a war. Soldiers dont get kidnapped…they get captured, stop treating their soldiers as civilians, and every lebanoese & palestinian civilian as a terrorist/soldier. If anything, it is the other way around…since Israel has mandatory military service for everyone I believe at a certain age..if I’m not mistaken, والله اعلم
im asking because would it be possible if muslims give dawah to the israeli’s??? Just because most are jewish does not mean they are off limits in being a muslim.
AA,
I think that it would be interesting to see what Neturay Karta supports their beliefs with. are there specific references to the Jewish holy books? Can someone quote them?
ummmmm…. nevermind…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vK2xKURltqE
Israeli kids stoning humanitarian aide workers.. while an israeli soldier watches and does nothing.
There are many videos. I posted them on my site here: Israeli Children throw rocks/attack/riot against Palestinians and International Humanitarian Aid Workers
If you visit Tel Rumeida project, you can see plenty more videos.
Meanwhile, I called the Israeli embassy and asked if I could get citizenship. Their first question was whether I was Jewish, and then upon saying no, they told me it’s just not possible. Read my entire account here
I notice by reading your comments, that there is numerous Jews organizations against the state of israel. But why not in France, orthodox Jews don’t demonstrate in the street, maybe simply because there is not or little.
Naturally, there are associations within which muslims and jews collaborate to show injustice of the state of israel. But regrettably, Jews of France support the military offensive Israeli and don’t care to know that there are innocent civilians who die.
Association which I appreciate a lot is euroPalestine, site is in French.
http://www.europalestine.com/
I wonder, what is it necessary to make so that all countries notably USA wake up ? And hasten Israel so that it stops his aggression.
France supports officially Lebanon and brings it a humanitarian aid but it has no power to put an end to the military offensive of Israel, no Europeans or Arabs or muslims countries can it, only USA can make it. USA are waiting for what ?
French President Chirac said “Israel wants to ‘destroy Lebanon’”, I totally agree with him. Offensive is going to last several weeks with Bush’s blessing, time to destroy the whole country without forgetting Palestine occuped.
Salam alikoum
Assalamu alaikum,
maaan that is the truth right there! subhanAllah! May Allah guide those that oppress, ameen!
Keep up the work. Screw Israeli. They kill 400 people for 2 soldiers. Wheres the justice?
The last commentator has such a potty mouth.
Lebanon has a substantial Christian Population. Whatever, people hate each other, I am going to go find some food. والله اعلم
Lol, you talk about food a lot.
I’ve always said I love the Orthodox Jews.. and not just because of their political stance, but because of how similar certain practices of theirs are to ours (gender separation, modesty values, daily prayer, etc. etc).
Told ya that there are good Jews and we can’t typify a people like that if we expect people not to classify us all.
I wish I coulda been at the protest.. There’s a few more and a bigger one in August, I believe.
You guys should not just dismiss “DAVE”, because he makes a point. Zionism and people who support it are NOT in the majority. Those who support Israel are not necessarily Zionists.
The Zionists believe that ALL the land should go to Israel as the ‘promised land’. But they are a minority these days. The majority of those who support Israel, and the Israelis themselves, believe that the solution is for two states, living sided by side in peace, is the only answer. A state/country for Palestinians and a state/country for the Israelis also.
The Israelis have already backed away from much of the land that they once occupied, and given it to the Palestinians. But it takes both sides working together to have peace. Hamas and Hezbollah do not want peace, they do not want two separate countries/states. Therefore, each time it looks like peace might be possible, they do something to cause the Israelis to relaliate.
It is the innocent Palestinian and Lebanese (and Israeli) people who will suffer because of the acts of two small groups who do not want any Israeli state.
It’s a mess and according to scripture (yours or ours) there is really no solution until end-times.
And to answer the question of one commenter here, yes there are Muslims/Arabs/Christians living in Israel, just as their are Christians living in Lebanon.
Nothing is really black and white these days.
p.s.
MR, you are a little cuti-patootie! heh
Have a great evening
Debbie
bismillah
assalamu alaikum
Although yes, indeed there are non-Zionist Jews, they really cannot be part of the overall equation as they are, unfortunatly, a horribly small minority that they really represent no one but themselves.
debbie: Whether they support the “greater” Israel or not, Zionists are any people who support a state for the Jews in Palestine, however small it is and in whatever region. Therefor Zionists don’t have to be Jews nor do they even have to believe in the so-called “promised land”.
wassalam
Yes Abdul Rahman Hilme, you are correct. Zionists don’t have to be Jews. You say that Zionists are any people who support a state for the Jews in Palestine. So does that mean that is PM Abbas pushes for two states side-by-side, HE is a Zionist? That is what he apparently agreed to with Condi Rice this morning.
BTW, Hezbollah rushed the Israeli/Lebanese border this morning firing Ketusha rockets, not caring where they fall, and killed an Arab family living in Israel. Is this who you want leading the Lebanese people and being an example for children? Killing their own kind?
They just want turmoil and don’t care who gets hurt.
Hezbullah is firing just like Israel fires. Israel doesn’t care who they kill. According to the many international relief organizations, 1/3 of the lebanese victims are children. Israel has precition technologies, but yet they murder civilians.
Hezbullah is just like Israel when it comes to attacking each other. They don’t care. They both want turmoil.
Israel is using much more powerful weapons and there is even news that they are using chemical weapons. I can believe it, becuase if you look at the pictures of the dead bodies, especially the children, you will see that there bodies have been really deformed into un-recognizable faces.
I believe the situation between Israel and Palestine/Lebanon will never end, until the Mahdi or Messiah, which the Jews, Christians and Muslims believe in. This does not mean that we should just sit and wait. We must try to stop and bring peace to the conflict because what I believe may be wrong.
I swear, that region alone has been the center of turmoil, corruption, innocent killing, wars, etc for so long now. From the Crusades to this, it’s an ongoing conflict.
Everything that has happened is God’s will. God know’s best.
bismillah
Debbie:
People who call for a two state solution are people who don’t know what they want. They are trying to settle for absolutly anything, anywhere, anytime and at any condition. They say “let us forget about what is right and what is wrong and let us just get this story over with anyway possible”.
The land is ours from Syria to Egypt, not a single inch of it belongs to anyone but the Arabs.
In a letter sent by the Caliph Abdul Hameed to Theodor Herzl (founder of the Zionist movement who at the time was trying to buy Palestine off the bankrupt Ottomans), he said;
“Advise Dr. Herzl not to take any further steps in his project. I can not give away a handful of the soil of this land for it is not my own, it is for all the Islamic Nation. The Islamic Nation that fought Jihad for the sake of this land and they have watered it with their blood. The Jews may keep their money and millions. If the Islamic Caliphate is one day destroyed then they will be able to take Palestine without a price! But while I am alive, I would rather push a sword into my body than see the land of Palestine cut and given away from the Islamic State. This is something that will not be, I will not start cutting our bodies while we are alive.”
The prophet (pbuh) also said that whoever lets go of a hand-span of Muslim land will get its like in hell. So those who are calling for a two state solution will inshallah be getting large chunks of hell.
oh and Abbas is as much a loud puppy as Arafat ever was.
“The land is ours from Syria to Egypt, not a single inch of it belongs to anyone but the Arabs.”
Surely you should have said the Muslims? Unless you’re an Arab nationalist
(which I know you’re not).
bismillah
assalamu alaikum
astaghfurullah, thank you for the correct akhi. It is ofcourse for the Muslims and not for the Arabs.
wassalam
BismillahirRahmanirRahim,
As’Salaam wa Aleykum,
To Abdul Rahman Hilmi:
Salaam Aleykum Sidi. What you said is absolutely correct. Many people don’t know or don’t care to know about the conversation of our Sultan Abdul-Hamid Han and the Zionists who came to forge a “deal” prior to the removal of the Caliphate(The only legitimate government in Islam whose ruler is the only one who can declare jihad in the form of battle – in this context it meaning a fight to preserve Islam).
2nd, to Debbie – Hello – just a few things: Hizbollah is NOT representing Islam in this fight – meaning it’s not fighting to preserve Islam. It is deplorable that their rockets killed arab children as you would say it is equally horrendous that 1/3 of the 390 and counting of the lebanese dead are children. The point is – Israel can not be let off the hook for a “they started it” arguement. This has turned in to a war for self-preservation for Hizbollah and the Lebanese – regardless whether Hizbollah’s actions were largely politically motivated (as you MUST know). Is it justfied? Well let me put it this way – When there are civlians dying in scores and hundreds, their lives and their way of life, homes, schools, towns and cities are pummelled into ash and rubble, then we must side with them. Right now, they are the oppressed. Our hearts are with them as are our prayers. Hizbollah is the only one who is fighting for them. Even if they are not, the civilians see it that way, and the rest of the world sees it that way.
To MR. Salaam Aleykum,
You wrote:
“This does not mean we should sit and wait” – What will you do? Instead of what “we” want, let’s see what our Prophet(ASWS) wants – He is saying, Pull yourselves away from those conflicts. Pull yourselves away from the cities, and strengthen yourself with your Lord during the Ahir-uz-Zaman(End Times). You will not be able to change anything at that time. So wait for Sahib-uz-Zaman to appear.” I’m with our Prophet(ASWS)
Allah emanat ol,
Was’Salaam.
When Arabs/Muslims say, “The land is ours from Syria to Egypt, not a single inch of it belongs to anyone…”, the ultimate result of that is an entire group of people will be either killed or displaced (Israel). If the Israelis say that, then another group will be either killed or displaced. Is this what God would want? The destruction of a group of people? Wouldn’t a God of love prefer a peaceful solution?
No, they should be allowed to live peacefully, but under Muslim rule.
mashAllah I really like that orthodox jewish rabbi (?) that was speaking
He’s an “anti-Semite bastard” apparently. I thought that was the funniest part of the video.
Luqman, you say, “No, they should be allowed to live peacefully, but under Muslim rule.”
So it is true what some say about Islam, you want to force people of other faiths to believe as you do? I thought that was the ‘radical’ view of Islam?
Jews and Christians are not allowed to have their own faith, but must live under Muslim law? With that statement you have set back relations between the three religions centuries.
bismillah
Debbie, there is no such thing as “cycle of violence”. There is a right that has been stolen. Give me one, just one right, the Jews have over Palestine. Just one is all what I ask. There is none and yet the Palestinians are refugees, oppressed and prosecuted by the Zionists. It is cause and effect. A people’s right has been stolen and it is their duty to retrieve it.
As for the solution, brother Luqman spoke the truth. The only solution is for Muslims to rule themselves by themselves with the rules and laws that they wish to live by. We don’t want democracy, we don’t need it nor do we have any respect for it. Forcing our beliefs on others? How exactly is that? We as Muslims want to live by Islam. Stopping us from doing that is you forcing your belief on us. The US going to Iraq (and let us assume for the sake of argument that it is indeed to spread democracy) is forcing Western beliefs on us. WE DON’T WANT IT. We don’t want to force you to believe in anything, if you want to implement your democracy, enjoy it all you want until your drunk with happiness. We have our own system, our own ideology and our own experience and history that does not involve any renaissance or reformation that brought about secularism. Democracy and secularism are the results of a Western experience, and the history of the west is a history of imperialism, colonialism and forcing their belief on the rest of the world. When I say “their belief”, I mean your true religion. Not Judism or Christianity, your Churchs are large and beautiful but always empty. Your true religion is the faith you always speak in her name. Christianity and Judism are dead religions, and that is expected as they were never intended to last in the first place. We don’t want to force anything on anyone, all what we want from the West is for them to leave us alone and let us take care of our own affairs our own way.
BismillahirRahmanirRahim,
“Christianity and Judism are dead religions, and that is expected as they were never intended to last in the first place.”
This statement is destressing to see, and I’m sure to hear, as a Christian and as a Jew. You should rethink this. I think you may in fact be widening the gap between our relations, though your intentions may be to simply speak truthfully – and this is not the manner which we were taught by our Prophet(ASWS).
To Debbie,
If there are Christians and Jews living under Muslim rule, they have every right to practise their faith without being persecuted or oppressed. In any civilization, when there are tyrants governing, and oppressing their people, they are swiftly removed by Allah. We were not created to be oppressors on one another as is said in the Quran.
Right now, Lebanon is being oppressed. Palestine is being oppressed. Their cities, residences, bridges, schools and citizens, majority of which are children, are being decimated, and the whole world is simply watching. It is easy to get caught up in an arguement, focusing on rebuttals and ethics of disagreement, but let’s not fool ourselves here. – Israel (*in the name of self-defense) is crushing, debilitating a whole nation, and cannot escape accountability. We stand with those who are oppressed. Always, Insh’Allah.
When did I say they must not have their own faith? I never talked about force-converting anyone – I mean they can live as Jews or Christians but under Muslim rule (or emigrate if they wish). After all, Muslims have been living in the area for hundreds of years and if it hadn’t been for the violence, racist immigration laws and oppression, Israel would still be a Muslim-majority country.
Anyway, perhaps Islam itself is “radical”. It is the only purely monotheistic religion – how much more radical can you get?
Woops, sorry, forgot Judaism. My bad.
Wow I thought these comments would have stopped a while ago. Just a small pointer outer, Israel invaded Gaza before the Lebanose Conflict, and more or less started the war themselves, before Palestinians captured their soldier, they actually KIDNAPPED two Palestinian CIVILIANS. Just for emphatic purposes.
Second, don’t think Muslim rule is sending us backwards, that’s only the mentality extremist moderates want us to take, in reality Muslim rule is quite unique. Unlike any other system I know of, the entire system of law, belief, social customs and economy can remain in tact for the society as long as they are paying Jizya (Non-Muslim Tax). And Jizya is more or less to make up for the fact that they dont pay Zakaat (Compulsory tax on Muslims) & Sadaqah (other forms of charity Muslims are expected to give). I can’t think of a system of governement which allows for the preservation of that society’s system of justice and social order. It’s as if the place never came under Muslim rule, as long they pay Jizya of course, but this is all in the past for now. Right now the west likes examples of “progress” & “modernity” like Eygpt (cough phony elections cough) & Jordan (cough Monarchy? & brutal destruction of opposition) & let’s not forget…Saudi Arabia (you’re joking me right?). But you know what, go ahead keep your modernity & progress, we’re sure it’ll yield the right results (cough Iraq cough). Hmm, sorry for the sarcasm.
Abdul Rahman Hilmi says:”The only solution is for Muslims to rule themselves by themselves with the rules and laws that they wish to live by.”
do you have issue than if Christians and Jews or any other religo-ethnic groups wants to live by their own rules?
The method of goverment propsed by Yaser sounds lovely… for Muslims. You wish to be left alone and rule your way, than the same courtesy should be applied to the west. Allow countries to rule by the method of goverment they seem fit.
You wish to be left alone and rule your way, than the same courtesy should be applied to the west. Allow countries to rule by the method of goverment they seem fit.
Do we instigate rebellions, coups or wars to overthrow Western goverments? I don’t think so, somehow.
The idea that a bunch of non-semitic European terrorists can go and steal the lands of others based on nothing but a peculier interpretation of 3000 year old jewish fairy tales can never be the basis for the existance of a state in 2006. Apparently God is now a real estate agent.
BTW what the hell were the Israeli soldiers doing in Lebanese territory when they got captured? This was all pre-meditated and planned. Dont believe the zionist propaganda.
If Israel was a real Jewish state, there would be peace, because Israel would be within Palestine. Like New York is in the US.
Why can everyone live with eachother more or less peacefully in NYC but not Palestine? Jews have every right there that they do in Israel, but it doesn’t harm anyone. My guess is its because they bought their land from its former owners instead of killing them. You dont have a military service requirement there either.
MR, your “friend” Debbie is scum: http://righttruth.typepad.com/right_truth/2006/07/the_following_a.html
i visit her blog to educate her and non-Muslims like her who read and learn about Islam from deviated people. by using the word “scum” you have lost all hope of dawah.
remember taif. remember taif.
She (or at least the blog she helps run) implies your Muslim brothers smoke crack simply because they hold Islamic views and you defend her? Why?
And by the way, she personally called your brothers “Koranic Crazies”.
I never defended her? Are you on crack now? All I do is defend Islan on her blog my commenting.
Don’t take those articles seriously man, most of the people she links to are the most ignorant people alive.
My advice to you is give the correct information and leave it up to Allah.
Allah knows best.
That’s pretty sad. They’re “Crusader Crazies”.
Oh yeah, I don’t even know if your Muslim or not, cuz you don’t put a real email address. So how do I know your not even one of them?
Anyone can type in ‘Muslim’ and “a@b.com”
I am a real Muslim but why did you reveal my email address? lol.
Nah, for real bro, I am Muslim. This is a sockpuppet though.
hahahaha i never heard of a sockpuppet. are you one?
Yep
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Its a bunch of lies !!!! even the protests!! there are perverted peoples and they have textbooks that cryout revenge even at the time of peace.. that dirty Talmud and to there gods they pray! They mixed and stirred up the lies about the WW 1 and W.W II.. but remeber the prophecy that Allah has remind us .
Its a bunch of lies !!!! even the protests!! there are perverted peoples and nation ,they have textbooks that cryout revenge even at the time of peace.. and ! They mixed and stirred up the lies about the WW 1 and W.W II.. but remeber the prophecy that Allah has remind us that they will gather up then be slaughterd. Besides there textbooks and the Israeli flag itself is Satanic , from Kabbalah,Talmud and other more textbooks. And i truly belive in to re-educate the Americans and the Christian community about Judaism and to say “NO TO JUDAISM” . There always looking for converts because they dont have much jews !so there seeking and attacking the Christian peoples so they can do there perverted things on there family and kids.
With the exception of DAVE, I curse you to die painful deaths.
ok i want to play too
Look at this kid saying “bunch of lies !!!!” and talking about slaughtering
it’s the brown George Lincoln Rockwell, and sympathetic for Christians oddly enough. Good luck with that haha
Why do I feel like I just had banksy sighting?
INSHALLAH PALESTINE WILL BE FREE FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA PALESTINE WILL BE FREE <3 INSHALLAH
I am deeply saddened by the amount of ignorance displayed by my muslim brothers and sisters in these posts. Pejorative talk of non-muslims and whether one religion is true or not, this is the same type of ethnocentrism and jingoism that extremists have been pushing for centuries.
We can practice our religion in peace without encroaching upon other religious denominations right to believe.
Then we speak about the West’s invasion into our countries. Wasn’t it Arab conquests that brought us into Africa, Europe, and deep corners of Asia??? Let’s know our own history and ideology, then put it into context. Now we see a different picture. A picture that shows the violence and intolerance of Arab colonialism, much like Western colonialism in the past few centuries. Why is it that our faith has waged war on every other faith in the world? We are only creating and perpetuating conflict!!
So what now?
Let us believe for the Right reasons, rather than the Wrong. Let us believe in the positive tenets, rather than the discriminatory ones. Let us work together across all faiths to restore peace and justice, and not violence and ignorance.
why palestine man?!
why cant it be russia or china there big
Allah (swt) says (interpretation of the meaning):
“O you who have believed, do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies. They are [in fact] allies of one another. And whoever is an ally to them among you – then indeed, he is [one] of them. Indeed, Allah guides not the wrongdoing people.” [al Maidah 51]
God enjoys making new religions so he can watch us fight.
Its good to see stuff like this when compared to all the bad we always see
wow your website is complete crap. like, total crap. It’s just anti-Israel propaganda with no Facts. at all. you take one event and then complete distort it. Israel has a right to exist just like any other country. They have a right to defend themselves. If Palestinians are constantly launching Qassam rockets from the Gaza strip into civilian areas, then yes, Israel should protect its citizens and get rid of the rockets. (Oh wait…the Gaza strip as in the area of land that Israel foolishly gave away to the Palestinians in an effort for “peace.” right. Whoa the Palestinians clearly don’t want peace, and I take issue with the fact that you support TERRORIST GROUPS like Hezbollah whose mission is to destroy innocent civilians. Palestinians are the ONLY people in the world to still call themselves “refugees” when in fact they’re just 3rd generation “refugees”. Just because the Koran tells you to destroy and hate Jews, doesn’t mean you should act on it. Israel has ALWAYS had the most morale of any country…ever. Israelis never purposely kill civilians. in fact, they treat wounded Palestinians in Israeli hospitals! Or that Israelis have always allowed Palestinians to come get medical treatment in Israel. Or that Muslim women are allowed–no, ENCOURAGED to go to University in Israel and run for public office. (could a Muslim women run for office in Gaza? Hell no!) Or that Israelis have always allowed ANYONE to live in Israel- Muslims, Christians, whoever. Before Israel got Jerusalem, Muslims didn’t allow anyone except Muslims to go pray there. (How’s that for racist?!?!?!) Of course, you wouldn’t know that…being that you live in an anti-israel media-controlled-lying- world. oh wait, you contribute to the anti-israel lies.
ani sonet o’tach b’emet, ani ohevet eretz shel d’vash v’chalav.
Isreal is to Palestine, what the RUF is to Sierra Leone. A scourge.
It is what the Almighty desires for the M/East that will prevail. No sentiment or propaganda can really change anything there. God knows all the wicked people who kill innocent others!!
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