I attended the protest in Washington DC against the Israeli war in Lebanon and the occuapation of Palestine and Iraq by Israel and the US on Saturday August 12, 2006. It was a hot day and I wasn’t expecting a lot of people to show up, but to my surprise over 40,000 people came from all different backgrounds. They’re were black people, white people, Asians, Muslims, Jews and Christians all protesting and marching together for one cause.
I made my own sign for the protest (as you can see on the picture on the right, courtesy of Junaid Arshad). On one side I had a quote from Shaykh Hamza Yusuf’s video on the Israeli war saying: “The problem is not religion. The problem is the absence of religion.” On the other side it said “Killing children is an act of terrorism.”
You can check out the pictures of the protest I took here. Also my friend Junaid took some pictures here.
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- Petition: Israel Pull Out of Lebanon
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- The Leap of Faith – Sh. Khalid Abdul Sattar – NYU – March 28 & 29, 2009
64 Responses for "Protest/March in DC against the U.S. and Israeli agression on Lebanon, Palestine and Iraq"
lol cnn wrote 5,000 ppl showed up?
lol i cant believe you put ur website on there. nice one
btw, nice visor.
Hey MR how many people actually did show up? One person is saying CNN reported 5000, as this link is as well:
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2006/08/12/protesters_in_dc_denounce_violence/?p1=MEWell_Pos1
Your’e saying 40,000????? Subhan Allah maybe you saw the angels coming down to protest too!
http://www.internationalanswer.org/
Bro, they’re were more then 5,000 people. The people who organized the protest said 30,000, I said 40,000, because they didn’t include the Muslims who came late because of MST (Muslim Standard Time). hahaha
Salaam,
Good intentions, but a colossal waste of time to go and beg the yahudis and non-muslims for help to benefit muslims. We should never do that, as it’s against the Law of Allah as well as the practice of the sunnah and the other rightly guided caliphs – and it will be fruitless. Plus, organized protesting in this way is adopted from the hippie way to do things and Gandhist ideology. If you read history, the ummah is not allowed to revolt or rebel against their ruling governments. The best example of this is under Muaywiyah (RA) and Yazid (RA)’s rule – where the Prophet (SWS) own grandchildren were massacred, but you didn’t see any protesting or rebellion from the rest of the Ahle-Bayt, or the other sahabah. In Shariah, if the Calipha is corrupt Allah will replace him, but there is no permission for the people to rebel. Hejira is the other alternative to sticking it out with patience, Islamically. By contrast, revolution is the democratic way to do things.
That qayam idea was in essence the single best idea I’ve seen – and it’s sad more communities didn’t join in.
Was’Salaam
“The best example of this is under Muaywiyah (RA) and Yazid (RA)’s rule – where the Prophet (SWS) own grandchildren were massacred, but you didn’t see any protesting or rebellion from the rest of the Ahle-Bayt, or the other sahabah.”
how is this the best example?
They’re not begging anyone for help. They’re protesting and taking a stand against it. Sheesh. What do you want? People to go to Israel and kill people? That’s just dumb.
“People to go to Israel and kill people? That’s just dumb.”
And there was me thinking it’s jihad.
There was no international peace keeping force back then. There was no United Nations back then. There was no United States back then. There was no Bush back then. There was no Zionism back then.
The example you gave had no outside interferance. It was within the Muslim ummah. We don’t have a Muslim ummah like that anymore. American Muslims have done a lot. Praying, Protesting and donating to charities is what we can do. That’s about it. The Muslim countries can do more, especially the leaders, but are they? Maybe you should contact them, instead of condemning us.
May Allah (swt) protect the innocent and punish the oppressors. Ameen!
“People to go to Israel and kill people? That’s just dumb.â€
And there was me thinking it’s jihad.
I meant, from here. We can’t all just get up and go and fight. It’s unrealistic. I don’t mean the people fighting off their oppressors.
Anyways, my point was that going to a protest isn’t begging a person for help. It’s taking a stand. Showing the government that the citizens aren’t happy with their decision. If the government listens, that’s up to them. But if you can’t go and actively do something, a protest isn’t dumb. Especially for women! Women aren’t going to go abandon their families to do something but want to feel like they are doing something. And since they can’t stop it with their hands, they go to protests.
“There was no international peace keeping force back then. There was no United Nations back then. There was no United States back then. There was no Bush back then. There was no Zionism back then.”
What does an “international peace keeping force” or “Bush” or the “United Nations” have to do with anything? Least of all the Muslim Ummah? The United Nations is a flimsy facade for a Benetton-Ad rhetoric. Sounds good on paper, and that’s all it is. They are easily swept aside by military and financial might, when they pose a nuisance/hindrance to the agenda of the real power-weilding nations. But you know this already. You are mixing current politics with principles laid down by Allah and His Prophet(SWS) until Judgement day. You might feel bad because I’m criticising the day which you may have spent in vain – but disconnect yourself personally from what I’m trying to say and see if you can follow the principle:
We should not be naive enough to think that Allah’s Law and the Prophet’s message is frozen in time. So what if there wasn’t a Zionistic agenda or a United Nations(which doesn’t solve a damn thing as it is now – why did you even mention this??) – It is foolish to think we are going through the worst test and that these conditions were never visited on the Sahabah,- because they have seen MUCH worse – or even before our prophet – The Bani-Israel under Musa(AS) with Phiraon, Ibrahim(AS) under Namrud. What – are these just bedtime stories or are their lessons to be learned there? Worse conditions have been met upon those who were and remain our betters. The advice given to us by the One who holds our leash, through the one who is loved most of all by Him, is to be followed and to be lived upon – not “interpreted” freely according to the time/govt/land we live in, through the ideology/rhetoric brandished by a Political Science Major or Doctorates in Literary Analysis given to us by the universities set in the same said time/govt/land.
Do you think the ills that are facing the Ummah – Iraq, Lebanon, Palestine, Chechniya, etc., will be solved by ANY international peacekeeping force? What investment do you think they hold in the betterment of our community? Even if they are well-intentioned, have you seen anyone with balls enough to speak out? Any one nation to back up so-called humanitarian sentiment with action? They won’t because they are tyrants – each and every one of them. Read your history – this has all happened to the ummah before – (heck, in the last hundred years take a look what has happend to Islam-ic countries) – but the reliance is better spent in the way of the Lord – the one which those innocent Lebanese Children are returning to clean and pure – to the ‘Real’ world.
If you think carefully about what I’m saying outside the context of an arguement/debate, -which I have no intention of continuing- you’ll see it doesn’t matter what name you give to these groups, not one of these institutions are rooted in Lailaha Ill’Allah Muhammadur Rasool’Allah – nor do they stand up for those who declare so. Maybe on the outside temporarily for political gains will you see some flustered feathers here and there – but not much else. Why will you beg in the streets with signs? To turn the hearts of the very agenda-driven tyrants waging this war? You’ll see that the message of Islam is not ONLY for those particular members of the Ummah – if you understand the position of our Holy Prophet(ASWS) – and who his Ummah is. Is it just the Muslims or Alimeen? The message will stand the test of time until Qayamah to those who are holding it up, instead of dropping it to uphold ‘democracy’/ or any such newly adopted movement.
American muslims? Let’s turn that around and get our priorities straight – it’s Muslim first then American. Not – “We are Americans so we live Islam the American Way”. What kind of Islam is that – I thought the version most beloved to Allah was the ‘way’ of our Prophet (SWS). No, – time changed? Who chooses what will stand and what doesn’t – through the ages? We – the common folk? You? This IS a democracy after all – so let’s vote on it?
And don’t confuse my intentions – My prayers are well with all of the brothers and sisters who are suffering. To those giving money with good intentions – Insh’Allah it will reach, but unlikely. More realistically, any money sent to Lebanon will be used for political purposes and to buy more ammunition for Hizbollah – which let’s face it – runs Lebanon and has been for a good decades +.
So read. Read the Law of Allah what it says for muslims living in Non-Muslim lands and about their manner and behaviour therein. There are no mysteries unless you create them – No confusion unless it is created – as is today in these times of fitna. And as for the “muslim” countries arguement – show me a single muslim country in the world today period. Show me One. But that aside, these words are only for them? We are detached from all responsibility to follow our Prophet’s advice unless we are leaders of nations?
For those who think this is advocating to go to Israel and Kill people – It’s not. Instead – you’ll find Allah always waiting for those who are sincere to turn to him, to say “Help us to be true servants of you – Ya Rabbi” and to Live according to that. We love to walk in the streets waving a sign to show solidarity when there is none, to deign to think we can actually run on paper legs to fight when the glue which should be holding our iman together is fitna/nafs-soluble. It’s a pride swallowing seige to admit we are wrong, and to humble our selves in front of our Lord – But that’s what we were created to do. Do what you like – free will given to you by Allah. Or is it the rights given to you by The Constitution? I keep forgetting to upgrade my Islam. Whatever it is – Reality doesn’t change no matter what you may believe or adhere to. For you to accept or deny Allah, Prophet – the Message, the Truth – doesn’t change what is real or what will become of “OUR” rhetoric in the grave.
Ameen to your Dua.
So what exactly are you trying to say John? I read your comment, but I couldn’t find any conclusion, it seems your just rambling with out any solid conclusion.
My first post speaks for itself – then your reply was posted, and I found it incomprehensible that you name dropped entities which were supposed to somehow rework Muslim reaction as it pertains to current world crises. It doesn’t and I said so.
I also called for a return to the Prophetic message instead of relying on selfish Non-muslim democracies for solutions to problems plaguing Muslim ummah which are inherently rooted in what amounts to a spiritual bankruptcy on a pandemic scale. Everything I “rambled” about goes to the root of the ‘why’ behind a reply like yours.
Or are you looking for a neat little catchphrase? –
Protesting en masse makes you feel like a champion for the oppressed – but does little else.
Instead of looking to see what fits to you, why not try to look what we, both me and you, should fit to.
You do know that potesting has had a positive effect on governmental policies, correct? You do know we’ve pulled out of countries “early” because of protests?
You’re right. Muslim first, American second. However, that does not mean we do not lobby the American government to oppose their actions. Allah tells us we’ll get the sustenance He provides. THat doesn’t mean we sit idly waiting for money to fall from the sky. We should do something about it. We pray to Allah all the time. We should. But other than that what should we do? Obviously He is the best planner, but that doesn’t mean we don’t do anything.
Do you not think that what is happening to our Muslim brethren is somehow our fault? For our lack of turning to Allah? For us sowing seeds of hate amongst each other? Do you not think we should speak? We were silent in Rwanda. We were silent in Sudan. Look what happened there. Allah does not change the state of a people unless they change themselves. Shan’t we do something about our own hearts and for Islam? Shall we not stand up for the rights of our brethren in any way we can?
I don’t see anything wrong with peaceful protesting for something you believe in. It is an American right, and you are an American. Sometimes peaceful protests actually accomplish something but many times not.
p.s. You say that ‘killing children is an act of terrorism’. That goes for both sides. What about the Israeli children? What about the recently arrested terrorists in the UK who were going to take their infant baby on the airplane with them to die? Using the baby bottle for the liquid explosive? What kind of people would do that?
Regardless of who is doing the killing. Killing children is an act of Terrorism. If Hezbullah or Israel kill children then they are both terrorists.
I think what Debbie is trying to say, is that often we see signs like Israel is a terrorist state, Bush is the real terrorist… well why don’t we hear more from the moderate muslims condemning what the extremists have done to disgrace all of Islam? We never hear from you… that leads the rest of the world to have a negative view of Islamists.. and why shouldn’t they?? lets think about that: When is the last time a jew blew himself up to PURPOSELY kill civilians? When is the last time an American blew up a commuter train to PURPOSELY kill civilians? I believe instead of protesting by whining and crying about all the great oppression (by the way, pre-9/11, how often were muslims turned away by the USA? never, they were welcomed to come join our great country and live a great life.. The USA is not oppressing anyone… do you know how much aid we have given to the palestinian people on a yearly basis? $350million in 2005.) muslims should be helping the world understand that these radicals are a small % of your society. I think Mujahideen Ryder is a great example of that, but the majority of your fellow muslims are not.. the world thinks islam is trying to impose islamic law all over the world – that will not be tolerated. We Americans are tolerant people, look at our country, anyone is welcome here, we will not stand for an intolerant religion trying to force Islam on everyone like we are living in 600A.D. My message, sorry for the rambling, is help people understand all islam is not extreme, and fellow muslim countries do nothing to help but should do a lot more to push this understanding. That is the muslim’s real problem right now. The world will never accept jihad, and I think it’s a shame all of these young jihadic muslims could be helping the world understand islam, instead of trying to impose it.
Salaamun ‘Alaikum,
I think John D. Islam needs to read up on some history. There are three very well defined incidents where THREE uprisings took place for the sake of avenging the deaths of the Ahlul Bayt (as) under the rule of Sufyani Islam.
1. Al Mukhthar, the Avenger.
2. Zaid ibn Zain al-Abideen ibn Husain ibn Ali ibn Abi Talib
3. The notion that the Abbasid Empire is avenging the deaths of the Ahlul Bayt (as) and bringing the Khalifat back to the Ahlul Bayt (as).
And those that were there, including myself, were there to show our support for the Lebanese and Palestinian and our support for the resitance — not to beg!
Sayed Hasan Nasrullah (may Allah protect him) said on Aug 3, “We do not want anyone to treat Lebanon as a humane and miserable condition to which he offers medicine, food, and some money. Anyone who does so is thanked. But this issue does not mirror love towards Lebanon. If you really love Lebanon, you, knowing you can do so, must raise your voices.”
Wa Salaam,
Dhulfiqar
EagleOne if CNN or ABC news invites Muslims like myself or the scholars I learn from, then Islam would be represented much better. Instead they keep playing Osama bin Laden tapes and Al-Qaeda training camps.
Many Muslims like myself have contacted newspapers proving them that what they write is bias and wrong. Many times we get no respones back and if we do, it’s some false information, “oh we’re sorry, thank you for educating us.” and then they continue to go back writing more crap.
Stop magnifying those 1% extremists.
Salaams,
To Dhulfiqar –
You are mistaken if you think the events you mentioned were representative of Shariah and the policy of our Prophet(SWS). Rather, take a look at the “reaction” of Imam Hussain’s(RA) own son Zain ul Abideen(RA) and those of the Ahlul Bayt, immmediately after the massacre. As for “defending against Sufyani rule” – you are betraying your Wahhabi/Salafi allegiances, on which you can blame 90% of the misinterpretation and misrepresentation of the Quran today, leading to the terrorist activites in the first place. I hold nothing but contempt for Extremist Wahhabis and their disingenious reformation and corruption of Islam. Hassan Nasrallah is an oppurtunist. He is rallying the arab world to fight against the extinction of Islam, as are other groups, as a cover to accomplish his own politically selfish interests. His “fight” for Islam is fictitious. The entire Muslim world has been forced to adopt a black & white perspective on the current affairs today, – the same kind which is preached from the pulpit of the white house. We are forced to choose a side to say “so and so represents us”. AS for me – the only ones I “side” with are the civilians being massacred. On BOTH sides.
As for terrorism, against innocent civilians – men, women and children – all forms of it we condemn as cowardly and malificent acts. However if you think what you see is what you get when it comes to current media-fied events – you’re willingly being taken for a ride. These are political power games and have less to do with a “clash of civilizations” then we’re led to believe.
Ryder.. I surely hope you’re not suggesting I’M magnifying the extremists…or that they are not as big an issue as the media makes them. because it is an immediate threat to everyone. 14 conflictls right now.. Russia, spain, london, india, need I go on? so I think they are magnifying themselves by the daily amounts of terror… take the plane plot last week.
Lets wake up – who is going to be on CNN, you or terrorists? terrorists make better TV.
My point is why aren’t the Arab nations stepping up – it’s always the U.S. is wrong, Bush is wrong – well where are the Arab leaders?? why are they not against extremism and if they are, speak up!!
To Others
Hassan Nasrallah is an oppurtunist. He is rallying the arab world to fight against the extinction of Islam, as are other groups, as a cover to accomplish his own politically selfish interests. His “fight†for Islam is fictitious. The entire Muslim world has been forced to adopt a black & white perspective on the current affairs today, – the same kind which is preached from the pulpit of the white house. We are forced to choose a side to say “so and so represents usâ€. AS for me – the only ones I “side†with are the civilians being massacred. On BOTH sides.
As for terrorism, against innocent civilians – men, women and children – all forms of it we condemn as cowardly and malificent acts. However if you think what you see is what you get when it comes to current media-fied events – you’re willingly being taken for a ride. These are political power games and have less to do with a “clash of civilizations†then we’re led to believe.
To Debbie -
“I don’t see anything wrong with peaceful protesting for something you believe in. It is an American right, and you are an American.”
What I said has more to do with how muslims should behave according to the Law that Allah has laid down, which we hold more important and dear then any American policy. Like I said, our status as creatures of God trumps out nationalism any day of the week. There are certain considerations that muslims need to understand according to the times we live in and what our Prophet(SWS) has advised accordingly.
To Sister,
To say this or that gets results, so we should stick with it is to empirically approach life with a trial and error philosophy. It has more to do what you :feel: is right. There is a misallocation of the hadith you alluded to; that we must act and then wait for Allah to sort it out is correct-But only if you are ‘act’-ing according to Allah in the first place. To freely apply to hadith and verses according to whatever context ‘we’ think and feel it fits to is something which the Prophet(SWS) advised and warned against. You have an amalgam of Islam today wherever you go as a result – No two people agreeing on anything, except the right to argue about it.
My point is – Shouldn’t we act, react, according to what Allah has laid down for us and the message of what the Prophet(SWS) brought? This stems from a deep resonating belief that our Lord put us here in the first place and knows what is best for us. He didn’t ask permission from us when and where to place and create us. Nor will He ask us when we want our souls to be taken. Why do we dare to think we can act according to our whims and leave what has been recommended by nothing less than our very Creator? It is a hypocrisy of sorts.
Anyway – that’s what it means to be a Muslim – one who submits. A servant. The best title we can afford to have. Islam means peace and submission. If we cannot or do not submit, we can never find peace. What does this have to do with how we live today? If you look – everything. If we declare ourselves believers we should live according to that. Islam according to Allah and not Islam according to what is convenient for us and our desires. It’s just talk at the end of the day. I’m not forcing it on you – but to realize the dynamic between our presence and position and that of our Lord is the very meaning of life.
John D islam: As long as you live in America – American policy will override your religious beliefs. Otherwise you will be jailed if you break American policy (the law) and do not comingle with society. That is how we live here. why must we always hear about the plan allah has for you.. and muslim believe in this, not that. WE DON’T CARE!! That is the beauty of Our America.. go and do what you want, believe in any God you want – BUT DON’T PREACH IT TO OTHERS – WE DON’T WANT TO HEAR ABOUT IT!! All of this about how Allah separates the NON-BELIEVERS, we are not non-believers – we have our own beliefs and do not care about yours!! Until you start to impose them – which is what is happening all over the world – then your people will be stopped, yet you will still cry oppression. Why not stand up as a people and become a better society, not by bombs, but by technology, success, etc… no one is stopping you. Instead, it’s Allah’s plan for everything – well you have to take responsibility for your life at some point instead of living in the middle ages.
How come we haven’t seen this sort of wide support for Al-Qaeda? I mean what differentiate Al-Qaeda and Hizbullah? Even my Christian Arab friends are in full support of the Resistance. There has to be something that’s different, extremist, moderate, and secular Muslims love Hizbullah. Al-Qaeda never had this mush support, no where near it.
Wa Salaam,
Dhulfiqar
John,
Just wanted to add, no true Sunni will ever add RA after the name of Yazid. Unless of course you’re a Nasibi. Are you?
Wa Salaam,
Dhulfiqar
“Instead, it’s Allah’s plan for everything – well you have to take responsibility for your life at some point instead of living in the middle ages.”
I agree with the first half of this statement – what it has to do with the middle ages? God and religion belong in backward societies, and you can have it as long as it doesn’t interfere with what we WANT? eh. I don’t believe what you believe. But I’m not forcing it on you either. However the first part of your statement I agree with – We do have to take responsibility for our life yes, because we understand this life is given to us, and was never taken of our own free will.
Your vehement explosion of words is understandable if you’re looking with the sole interest of how Islam fits in to the American democratic dynamic and its peoples/govt/etc. I don’t think you fully understand what I’m saying. If you think I’m going to water down Islam for the sake of what you like, you’re mistaken. I’m no apologist for my faith in God, which I think is what you are looking for. You are free to disagree with me. But if you notice what I wrote instead of launching in to a tirade, you’ll see I DON’T support the nonsense justifying terror and touted as Islam, because it is anything but. If I DIDN’t subscribe to Islam and our Prophet(SWS)’s words, civilians, children would be fair game because “I” felt they were. But “because” I adhere to his words, God’s words, the terrorists are indeed wrong, and their confusion is costing not only countless lives, but the defamation and misrepresentation of an entire religion.
Anyway – my words were originally not meant for you, they were specifically to the sister as per her reply. If you don’t like what you see, leave it – I’m definitely not preaching to you or anyone. However your statement is correct – in that American policy will override my beliefs – according to you. However I, and many other muslims will put Allah above American policy. Freedom of religion and the rights granted to practice without being oppressed so far, this is what is right about America. I agree. But this is a muslim’s blogsite, and Islam as it pertains to Muslims living in America can be freely discussed here, inasmuch as I can ascertain. And my heart is with my Lord first.
But there is an inconsistency to your statement. Right now it is Democracy which is being imposed upon the world by force. Yeah. And your statement of “We don’t wanna hear about it!” is pretty ridiculous and hypocritical. I’m sure that’s what many other peoples of the world are complaining about your version of government, which America insists on forcing down the throat of every one who doesn’t agree with it. Obviously the motivating factors have to with more than just that- (let’s not fool ourselves*cough*OIL*cough*), but this is the rhetoric we are told day in day out – “They hate our freedoms”.
Finally – you hijacked my words into your own sermon – I don’t impose anything on anyone. Period. Islam originally is described by our Prophet(SWS) as advice, free to take or leave. But it won’t change the reality. Meaning – if you deny the existence of God, doesn’t change the fact that He exists, and we are in fact morally culpable. That is all. Peace to you my friend.
Dhulfiqar: No. The (RA) was meant for Muaywiyah and it stands. I hadn’t realized I had placed it after Yazid also. Thanks for the correction. He doesn’t deserve our praise, but it isn’t permissible to curse him either:
http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=1&ID=1902&CATE=164
At the link you’ll also find that it is completely against the teachings of our Prophet(SWS) to rebel against an unjust leader.
I was just going to post about Yazid from Sunnipath as well.
Anyhow,to EagleOne- no one is imposing anything on you. Please tell me that last time a Muslim walked up to you and told you to listen to him. You have your free choice.And to think that MR is a good example of Muslims but others aren’t is kinda sad. This isn’t meant to be offensive to him, but my point is then obviously you’ve been listening to all the bias the media shows you. I won’t claim that there aren’t terrorist who proclaim they are following the Qur’an. But I will tell you that there are many many MANY more of us that are peaceful. Many more that do not condone terrorism. And as MR pointed out, the media does not pick up on us. Even when we try to extend a hand, the Muslims who don’t practice are shown on TV. I’m not claiming to be a perfect Muslim. By far, I am not. But at least I know that the kind of war were innocents are killed is forbidden in Islam. There are those Muslims who will justify it, and other Muslims who will say it’s the fault of mainstream Muslims that we’re in this rut in the first place.
Sure there are thigns we can do better, but I ask you how do you want us to present them to a public not willing to listen? There are people who seek the truth for themselves, but what can us Muslims really do that will show you we’re not bad. That will show you regardless of our differences amongst us, we’re really just trying to live our lives in accordance with Islam. An Islam that doesn’t intimidate anyone nor does it impose on others. An Islam that is simple and pure.
Debbie~ please quote the source that told you-the muslim woman and child arrested in the U.K were going to do the actions you’ve outlined. I’ve watched a lot of coverage myself, after the initial arrests this woman & child have not been mentioned again?? yet if the child was to be ‘blown up’ wouldn’t this be a major coverage point for journalists in the U.K??
Sister – if these radicals are such a small % of islam, why are they allowed to kill civilians and do all their other horrific terrorism acts in the name of your god Allah? Why can they stamp Allahs name on 9/11,subway bombings,bus bombings, chechnya, cutting peoples heads off, etc., without the other 99% of islam speaking up? They are doing it in the name of your god! Now, if muslims are so religious and Allah is so respected, why is this allowed, yet someone draws a cartoon of Allah and there is HUGE HUGE outcry among the muslim people? Is terrorism in the name of Allah not worse?
That is why I believe most muslims sympathize with the radicals cause before they would ever sympathize with America and the west. And that is how they are imposing on me and my way of life.
Prove me wrong
“That is why I believe most muslims sympathize with the radicals cause before they would ever sympathize with America and the west. And that is how they are imposing on me and my way of life.”
The only reason Militant Islam exists, is becuase Militant America is in the Muslim world.
And that’s all I will say.
Thank you for proving my point ryder. You do side with them – what a hipocrat… now do you understand why your people can not overcome this? You just sympathized with terrorists, now go cry why america doesn’t understand islam. What a joke.
I retract my favorable statements of you in prior posts.
you are ‘confused’
there are thousands of links to that story..
here’s one
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/s_466403.html
Carry on sick sympathizer… defend these apes and you are one.
ryder – why didn’t you answer my question? why is Allah’s name allowed to be stamped all over these actions?
It’s o.k. with you isn’t it?
EagleOne – the tone of your responses do not deserve. you are a terroist on my blog. terrorising the commentors.
I have many non-Muslim friends and they all disagree with American foreign policy. Bush’s actions DO NOT represent the majority of American views. Bush doesn’t care about immigrants or Black people. Minorities have a higher birth rate in this country then the caucasions. Whether America likes it or not, minorities will dominate this country in the future.
People like you hardly exist here (or at least where I live). It is people like you that Muslim extremists want to kill so much innocent people.
I do not support Al-Qaeda or Hezbullah. If you read all my posts you will see that I am Sunni and very pro-Sufi. Strictly on beleifs, Hezbullah is Shia, they do not get along with Sunnis. Al-Qaeda has salafisticted backgrounds which means they say tasawwuf or sufism is deviant from Islam.
If you want to learn more about the true Islam which I think the world has not seen, then please check out the “MR Links” page and view all those institutions such as Zaytuna Institute, SunniPath, Sacred Learning, and Tasawwuf.org.
Peace.
People like me? what are you talking about?
I grew up in long island, you go to a school built by MY PEOPLE.
I’m differentiating between terrorists and the rest of the world.. who are you associating me with? who are you assoc. with?
you still haven’t answered my question – the most important one of all and it doesn’t deserve a response?
why is Allah’s name allowed to be stamped all over these actions? with no response from the other 99% of islam?
you don’t have an answer do you
Because people have mouths and they are free to say what they what. We can condem it all we want. There have been countless Islamic rulings against Osama Bin Laden, against Osama bin Laden, against killing innocent children, commiting suicide is haram according to Islam, suucide bombing is haram in Islam according to the majority of the scholars, and so on.
I’ve been there done that. You said it yourself the media doesn’t want to see peaceful Muslims on TV, they want the extremists, becuase thats whats attracting. The jihadi videos with the scary jihadi music and the covering of the faces with the ak 47s. They don’t want to see what Islam is really about. Why? That is boring and they’ll lose millions of dollars.
What else do you want us normal Muslims to do? Our religion has been hijacked by a bunch of thugs and the world media helps them by commercilizing and propogating them all over the TV, Internet and radio.
Osama bin Laden has deviated from the true path of Islam. His beliefs are contradictory to that of Islam. We all know this. We’ve been saying this for years. No one cares.
Are you satisfied now?
BTW, EagleOne, if you from Long Island, then you would know that no one cares about Islam, they just about chilling, beaches, parties, makign money and enjoying life.
My family has been in the west for generations, so don’t tell me anything about where I’m from.
ryder – then your job as a muslim has only begun – it is yours and your fellow muslim’s job to take your religion back!
Can’t you see that burden is being put on the west? and the west is paying the price by being further defamed?
I’m not telling you anything about where you are from – what i’m telling you is that if you want to continue to enjoy the beaches of Long island, which i know well, you must support your country thru thick and thin.. Maybe the U.s. has not done the best job – but it is helping any good, democratic country out there and ruling out viscous dictators… you must help your country wrestle YOUR religion back.
Not further defame it’s actions…why don’t you support your country’s efforts then, your words seem to side with the radicals and it’s the west’s fault, etc.. this is not fair. You love your country but you don’t support it? THAT IS THE PROBLEM
“Not further defame it’s actions…why don’t you support your country’s efforts then, your words seem to side with the radicals and it’s the west’s fault, etc.. this is not fair. You love your country but you don’t support it? THAT IS THE PROBLEM.”
This country has a lot of problems of it’s own. If America stayed out of the middle east and then they’re would be less problems and it can fix it’s own problems right here.
Stay out of the middle east? do you think it’s that simple? do you know how much aid we give to the arab world? it would fall apart without our aid.
Do you know before 9/11, afghanistan received $117million a year for food,education? How about when we bailed out saudi arabia in the first gulf war yet that is where the 9/11 hijackers were from? How about palestine is really an area designated by britain in the early 1900′s and they are not really a country to begin with, yet we are blamed for them not having land… not their muslim brotherhood who have all the land in the middle east? do you know how much aid we give to palestine?$300million in 2005 alone!!!
The reason we are in the middle east is very complicated, we are the worlds superpower, we have to be everywhere. We do not meddle with the affairs of country’s who do not bring it on themselves. Lets not start on Iraq, but that country was given every opportunity for inspections and was firing on our jets for years before we had to go in again and save those people..do you know how many new schools have been built in Iraq? by our tax dollars? to win the hearts of a people who don’t care anyway? we are trying to stabilize the area from bloodthirsty islamofacists that your people’s god Allah has his name all over.
So there you go again, blaming the U.S. for being in the middle east and rationalizing for the radicals. The u.s. is forced by countries like Iran, etc.. why won’t Iran cooperate and allow inspections, why are they not participating in the IAEA? it is an international responsibility – yet they are forcing the world to take a defensive stance. IF they aren’t making weapons why are they not allowing inspections?
Where does it end? and then you have normal muslims like you, who want to live in this country but don’t even believe in it? If you hate it’s policies so much, why are you here? Because you know its the greatest place to live, you like the luxuries of the west, all that extreme islam hates, yet you won’t defend it.. you’ll only suck off of it like a leach, criticizing the very place you call your home.
Why won’t you take a look at what your fellow muslims are standing for… they strap bombs to a 4year olds belt and preach hate to him, they put bombs on airplanes where your mom and dad may be on tomorrow. It is time the moderate muslims start doing a better job of helping the country they want to live in beat this threat. Otherwise, you will have a very tough future in this country.
Most Americans do not support the war in Iraq or Afghanistan. Iraq didn’t help anyone. Many Senators and members of the Congress have been against the War.
There are many Americans who are suffering. Poverty is huge in America. Education funding sucks. We spend more on missles then books for 1st graders.
You probably live in a nice big house with 5 cars and live a luxorious life, while thousands of Americans are struggling living off ever paycheck.
America has a border problem with Mexico with illegal immigration. No one knows about that? All the Mexicans are taking the jobs, because they are cheap and easy labor. That’s not in the news.
EagleOne you represent like 5% of Americans. I can gurantee that.
Support the war in afghanistan? so you think the taliban should still rule there? and most do support it, otherwise how did it pass in congress? Some americans take the easy way out and say they don’t support it now because it is difficult. But let me tell you something, Americans support americans no matter what.
Just like you don’t want me stereotyping you, don’t try to do the same with me. You know nothing about me. but what I do know about you is you are not a good american because all you do is point out what’s wrong with this country, but just like the liberals, and all the others – you don’t have a solution.
I worked hard in school, went to college, worked hard and now have a nice life. That is what America gives to anyone willing to work for it.. it is not handed to you! I represent all of america except the slime that doesn’t support it, they just want things handed to them and point out what is wrong with it.
You are great about pointing out America’s other problems, do you think these are not huge issues? Immigration is not in the news?? where have you been? MOre on missles than books? Our education system doesn’t teach to hate jews in it’s textbooks like saudi arabia and iran.. please..
unfortunately ryder – I can see you are a bit naive and think things are so easy to figure out, but you are young and in college. I was there once and can relate.
But remember this, as long as you are in this country – you should stand up for it. If you want to enjoy this country and all it will offer you – you should defend it, it may not be perfect – but its the greatest place to live, so what does that tell you? it’s worth fighting for – if you don’t believe in that, why the hell are you here. You are the one who is out of touch my friend.
You don’t know me in real life. You have no idea how much I appreciate this country. I was born here. But when my country is attacking my brothers and sisters and supports Israel who blatantly commits terrorist attacks as well as Hezbullah does too to inncoent CHILDREN then I will speak out.
A true American would voice his concerns then follow blindly. A true American would defend human rights and stick up for religous tolerance.
You are right, the Muslim governments are very corrupt, especially Saudi Arabia. Many Muslism don’t support them at all, but America loves the Saudi government. Seriously, if the Saudi government were to change, the American government would get mad. They love King Abdullah.
I don’t really care what you think, because you don’t represent America or the American government. Your a fanatic.
No matter what I say, even if I say good things abotu America, you’ll just fire back with some stupid ignorant rant.
This is such a stupid waste of time. I just checked your IP HAHAHAHA
go read a book!
HAHAHAHAHA
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YOU GOT TO BE KIDDING ME.
“you can take me outta tha hood, but you cant take the hood outta me” – 50 cent
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
FLUSHING REPRESENT!!!!!
I’LL SEE YOU AROUND “EagleOne”
hahahahah LMAO
btw you should go get some crown cried chicken…mad good
kebab king is good too
its popular food for the Muslims in your hood
PS – man i was gettin worried you were some Islamaphobic American too (i was like damn man this guy really hates me).
what the hell r u talking about checked my IP? Now this will be good, where do you think I am? I’m at work at a top financial firm, i’m who you want to be – you say it yourself, one of the top things you want to do in life is make money… some muslim you are, allah would be proud.
Oh yes, i’m the fanatic here – now that, that is truly funny.
I thought you may be someone to have an intelligent conversation with about the lack of islam not condemning terrorism, but turns out you are just a goofy kid from long island who thinks it’s cool to have a web blog..mr mujahideeen – so funny – what do you know about the ruff ryders, believe it or not, i’ve ridden my street bike in a rally and they were there.. the last thing they want is some terrorist sympathizer slime like you using their name.
>>if these radicals are such a small % of islam, why are they allowed to kill civilians and do all their other horrific terrorism acts in the name of your god Allah? Why can they stamp Allahs name on 9/11,subway bombings,bus bombings, chechnya, cutting peoples heads off, etc., without the other 99% of islam speaking up?
EagleOne, open your eyes! Have you not read the numerous articles of Muslims condemning terrorism. No one “allows” these people to do this. And do you not think when Muslim are in the wrong and killing peopel it will be on the news? Obviously it will be. And how about the Danish cartoons.. Do you not know of the peacful Muslims who asked that the cartoon not be shown because of the backlash from it. Before the cartoons were REPUBLISHED? Oh yes, ignore that fact, why don’t you?
You’re right. Muslims need to have a stronger positive response. But don’t ignore that we do try. We have to try harder, yes. But there is an effort that is obviously not seen by you.
>>Maybe the U.s. has not done the best job – but it is helping any good, democratic country out there and ruling out viscous dictators… you must help your country wrestle YOUR religion back.
Dear EagleOne, please tell me why you can back the US when it’s wrong. Yet you claim hypocrisy of us Muslims who defend our religion and speak out against those who seek to contort it. And the US is not helping any good, democratic country out there. Lebanon? What change do we have of peace there? Democracy? Or yeah, “Islamic Extremism” will probably turn up there in a stronger force than before because of our actions.
And just because many Muslims don’t support this country’s actions does not mean they are not citizens of the country. How about you look around and see all the non-Muslims, all the people who have been here for centuries speaking out aginst the US’s policies. How about you see how past presidents say that it is more patriotic to speak out against your country when it is wrong than to sit back and support it when it’s wrong. How about all those government officials and past presidents who say we’re wrong? Are you going to point fingers at them? They’re doing what we are. And if you haven’t noticed.. MANY MANY MANY more non-Muslims come out to protests and demonstrations than Muslims. Now, I believe more Muslims should be out there as well. But.. I’d like to show you that citizens of YOUR very nation are more open minded than you are. They are more objective in their line of thought.
There is some truth in some things you say. However, if you think Muslims are being blind, then what are you doing?
if ur working at a top finiancial firm. you should be working instead of posting comments.
don’t worry about what I need to do, i’m not the one with the hijacked religion.
Sister, no, i have not read the ‘numerous’ articles of muslims condemning terrorism, nor do i see the muslim rulers coming out against it enough. I wish I did.
You seem a worthy person to speak to, as ryder has reduced himself to 50-cent lyrics…My whole point is, that’s fine if you do not agree with all of U.S. policies, no one does. But most of what I see from muslims is one sided, constantly putting down the U.S. while exploiting the pleasure of living here, never speaking out against terrorism… and that is my point.. you can not stand up and tell me muslims are doing all they can to help the west, who now bears the burden of rescuing islam from the radicals? I ask you, what is the muslim plan for regaining the scarred religion that is islam from these radicals? Why is the west the only one strong enough to do something about it? It is a cancer that needs to be destroyed and it seems to me, most muslims rather not say anything, or they truly sympathize with them while they live in the U.S. watching MTV, quoting 50-cent, and driving cool cars, yet – oh yes, Allah is great – hate the west, death to israel.. but give me my MTV.
P.S. – hey ryder, if you’re not too busy asking where my dogs at, why don’t you take that stupid CODE VERIFICATION off the reply screen, it’s really annoying.
at least im still young in school enjoyin life chillen. don’t gotta work that much, while your working ur butt off in a top finianical firm making big money.
btw i don’t think its wise to waste a good 4 hours on this site while at work. your boss may get mad at you.
“P.S. – hey ryder, if you’re not too busy asking where my dogs at, why don’t you take that stupid CODE VERIFICATION off the reply screen, it’s really annoying.”
“where my dogs at” – dmx
it prevents spam comments from bots.
ryder – the last thing I am is an islamophobe (scared of islam), there is nothing scary about a people who claim god instructs them to kill non-believers, for the will not succeed as a people. What I do fear is the fact that someone I love can be an innocent victim of this sick ideology – PURPOSELY, and I say PURPOSELY, targeting innocents… this is the difference between the west, Israel, and the terrorists – terrorists PURPOSELY kill innocents and say ALLAH IS GREAT while doing it, and the muslim world sits quietly.. BUT – god forbid you draw a cartoon of Allah – THEN DAMN YOU – YOU WESTERN PIG, DIE DIE, NEVER USE ALLAH’S NAME, BLASPHEMY!!!
not that its any of your business but i make my own hours – my part time hobby is pointing out that people like you who seem true to a cause, like showing people islam really is peaceful, has resorted to name calling and rationalizing for the terrorists…so why don’t you come real from the start.
>>But most of what I see from muslims is one sided, constantly putting down the U.S. while exploiting the pleasure of living here, never speaking out against terrorism… and that is my point.. you can not stand up and tell me muslims are doing all they can to help the west, who now bears the burden of rescuing islam from the radicals?
Look. I’m tired of it too. There’s great things the US does and has the power to do. But the problem is then we resort to these things that completely tarnish our reputation in the world. Completely. Muslims aren’t all they can to help the West, but the West certainly isn’t rescuing Islam from the non-Muslims. They’re not making us look ANY better. First off, our ongoing policies in the Middle East and the world in general alienate Muslims. Not only in the US are we ostracized (I went to a restaurant two days ago and someone was throwing food at me; my brother has been called “bin Laden”; my brothers have been pulled off planes in fact, one time it was because somoene felt uncomfortable that 5 Muslims were on there plane (now would that feeling ever be reciprocated?), i was spit at as well as cursed at and taunted, my sister had to be escorted to her car so people wouldn’t rip off her hijab.. need me to go on JUST with my family? t)..But our policies makes people resent the US. I’m scared that it breeds more people who support violence.
>>I ask you, what is the muslim plan for regaining the scarred religion that is islam from these radicals?
What we’ve been doing, except I would hope in larger numbers. Condeming more, being more active in politics, news and media in general. Blogging, because for some of us it is the best way to share our views. But what the media can do is help us out. Repeatedly in US history, immigrants and new populations have been alienated. They’ve been hated and there has been racism. Now, the Muslims aren’t so new. We’ve been here at least as long as slaves were brought here, but we’ve grown in number. And now there is a backlash against Muslims (though it was stronger after 9/11, i’ve only been taunted from 2003 onward.. maybe because i started wearing the hijab that year. i don’t know). What the media needs to do is some damage control. Due to the Muslims who are not practicing Islam and due to the media, numerous incidents of hate have been reported. THe least we can do is be a little more objective in our reporting. At least in print media there is a shift. I’ve been seeing more and more objectivity. However, news media has got to change. Have you seen CNN? It used to be my news source. Until I realized they’re pretty one sided most of the time. They need to collaborate with the Muslims who practice Islam and want to show it for what it is. People have “hijacked our religion” (from Ali’s video). And we want it back.
Hey MR I thought you had a policy regarding trolls.
Sometimes trolls are good… haha
Nah I never did.
you give a link to an american website bout a british incident and think that should justify the stupid conspiracy theory bout the baby and bottle..are u that silly that u think the british media would leave such a story out if it were true, yet it would be covered massively by ‘Pittsburgh’?? gimme a break..if u hate Islam and Muslims why r u on the blog..
Your defensive comments show your fear, and how come your taking the liberty of being so judgemental of mujahideen ryder’s character- he prays ‘but give me my mtv’ how does any of his lifestyle concern you..if money makings important to you stick to it.
Im sure of one thing- you’d never approach a real Muslim in the street and question them this way