BBC news’s documentary entitled Boyz Allowed – The New Voices of Islam discusses the nasheed group Native Deen & the Muslim boy band, 786 Boys, trip to the UK for there concert. I never liked 786 boys from the beginning when I saw them at ISNA back in 2000 (or 2001? I can’t remember.). Native Deen rules! Hands down! I love Native Deen, even the old school MYNA Raps mix tapes they came out with. The video shows how 786 Boys weren’t allowed to perform and they were kicked out of the concert. I agree with the organizers. They would bring more fitna then good to the concert. I’ve seen the reaction of the sisters to them. That’s one reason why I never put there songs on the MR Radio, because I don’t agree with them at all. This is just my personal opinion.
Here is the video:
69 Responses for "Native Deen Shines! 786 Boys Whines."
OK, I do not get it.? What is sooooo soo wrong with 786, mind youy I am not a screaming dying hijabi in love with them nor am I a fan of their music. But….they do perform Muslim music and they are being critisized because they are cute??? For this reason they should be shunned by the organizers of the concert and banned to perform to an audiance that was led to believe they were to perform?? That’s more of a sin then the fitna it so called causes when Muslim women like what they see. What about Outlandish?? Aren;t they too a “boy band” and they are cute too. What about them?
As one person of the band says Muslims are creating a convenient bubble to live in as if Muslim girls do not attend Backstreet Boys concerts to begin with!! That is ok but for them to be pawning over a muslim band? Obsurd, right? What can 786 do?
Gimme a break! I sympathize with 786 and their fans.
Outlandish has yet to be invited to a Muslim conference.
What can 786 do? What the Prophet (saas) said to do.
What do 786 do that is against what Mohammed (SAW) said to do?
“feel the love!” that just says it all.
Here is what Yvonne Ridley writes about a Sami Yusef concert!! Now does this mean we should be anti-Sami yusef for conjuring up the same hijabi screamers???
http://www.letswrite.net/153/yvonne-ridleys-reaction-to-sami-yusufs-concert.html
( Lets not get all ” oh she is a yvonne ridley supporter”, or whatever ppl wanna say)
The Prophet Muhammad (saas) said it is obligatory for the believing men who can afford to get married to get married in order to protect them from sin.
786 boys definitely have money.
Yeah I posted up the articles from Yvonne, and Sami’s reply and Mecca2Medina’s reply. Sami Yusuf has way more respect and adab. Have you seen him peform.
I’ve seen 786 boys perform a couple years back and they straight up FLIRTED with the sisters after they were done when they were crowded around after there performance. Maybe they have changed, but that was the first and only time I have seen them.
Anyways this is just my opinion. It might not be a majority but it’s my opinion.
They have good songs, alhamdulillah, so at least that’s a plus.
sisterss need to be taught about modesty and haya b4 they go to such concerts.
i personally would never go to any kind of concert , it sounds weird. i mean nasheed lyrics and music are oxymoron.
ok you might not like 786 but their message is the same as native deen’s i don’t like 786 but i still respect them cuz they have a great message. I m sure many guys like 786 does that mean the guys think 786 are cute????? Any way MR u should put up more Native Deen nasheeds on your radio.
I agree with you MR, but I gotta say I am confused. You are critical of 786 boys, even to the point of saying that they are going against the teachings of the prophet (s.a.w.s), but when it comes to filming women in tight clothing, that is halaal? Please don’t take this as an attack on you, I am just confused. This relates to the issues of haya, modesty, respect and adab were brought up in this thread.
Also, if you are against 786, you must be against Sami Yusuf too. But then i guess, other rules count.
It’s sad that so many young muslims look up to bands such as 786 boys. Not only that, it’s sad that so many people are so obsessed with music in general. I don’t have anything against native deen and other nasheed performers, but some fans take their interest overboard. Isn’t life short enough as it is? May Allah guide all of us. I wish people were just as excited and obsessive about reading and studying quran and hadith. One last thing, I know some people are not physically able to grow much of a beard, but I am so sick of seeing 5 o’clock shadows and wimpy “beards” looking as if though someone drew them in with a pencil. Folks it’s very simple, either grow a beard or don’t, but stop making a mockery out of the beard. The prophet (s.a.w.s) commanded men to let their beard grow, all four schools of thought are very clear about it.
Amir. check out my response to your post here:
http://www.hahmed.com/blog/2006/11/17/bbc-documentary-featuring-786-native-deen-boyz-allowed-the-new-voices-of-islam/
k this is from a girls perspective…seriously 786 reminds me of the backstreet boys, but even worse. i understand that there trying to attact a young audience and use an islamic theme, but a “boy band” seriously isn’t the best way to do it. Thats my opinion, don’t bash please.
THIS IS RIDICULOUS!….MR is talkin like an old school uneducated uncle!…we should protest by not visiting his site until he comes back to his senses and retracts all the comments made about 786!
Word son. PROTEST MR! RETRACT YOUR STATEMENTS MR!!! I LOVE 786!! I WANNA MARRY THEM ::screams like a girl:: MR YOU ARE A MEANIE!! YOU ARE JUST JEALOUS!! PROTEST MR
“The Prophet Muhammad (saas) said it is obligatory for the believing men who can afford to get married to get married in order to protect them from sin.
786 boys definitely have money.”
There is no way for you to know what situation the 786 boys are exactly in. If they aren’t married, that is their choice and only Allah knows why they have chose not to follow this sunnah but you have no right to judge them and make this claim. Money is not the only thing you need to have a healthy marriage.
If anything the 786 boys are trying their utmost best to follow Islam and try and present it in such a way that people are attracted to Islam. The organizers of this event may have not liked the way this group presents themselves but they should have thought about that before they invited them all the way to England. To make a mockery of them and humiliate them is not the correct way to tell them that they are not representing Islam in the best manner. If they wished to cancel 786 off the show they should have done so way before 786 flew 7 hours across the world just for the show. This was a serious lack of wisdom on the part of the orgnaizers.
Also I don’t see much of a difference between Native Deen, Sami Yusuf and 786. At every concert, regardless of 786 being there… all girls scream and get googly eyed. Just becuase Native Deen is married, doesn’t stop a girl from thinking something they would think about 786… afterall Islam does allow 4 wives. The fact is that all girls love guys who sing emotion-filled songs… so why only handpick 786 out of all these anasheed singers??
To blame 786 for all this Islamic boyband craze is beyond belief stupid. If they are too “mainstream” for Muslims today, then how is Sami Yusuf or Native Deen any different. They all are very good looking masha’Allah and they all have awesome voices. The main threat that is seen is that this may cause some weird emotion in young girls and cause fitnah… but how does 786 only cause this fitnah and not the other groups… it really doesn’t make sense. What does make sense is that 786 was made a scapegoat for nothing.
The behavior of the organizers was totally irrationally. To not let a band who you personally flew in not even stay in the arena was entirely uncalled for and extremely humiliating. I’m sure any Non-Muslim watching this documentary would be extremely discouraged to hear anything about Islam after watching such rigidness and that too against their own Muslim brothers. Islam would never approve of such an act.
Whatever… if they didn’t like 786, there was no need to humiliate them and tha too so many miles away from their homes.
No Muslim is perfect, the point is that they are trying to do something!
BTW 786 boys performed at another event, so they had to fly in for that regardless.
I do not think that they should be criticized for the way they look and having beautiful voices. That is not fair to them. The people who attend events need to be more mindful and act right.
I do think that ALL of these Muslim Artist are in a position of responsibility to tell the attendees how to act. I would prefer if they all got on stage and asked people to act like Muslims: be modest, no screaming, etc. One thing that gets to me is the clapping that is done, especailly if the clapping drowns out the cries of Takbir. And this happens at all events for all Artists, and NO one says anything.
Also, it is extremely disrespectful for the organizers to fly them out and not allow them to perform. But then they took it further by not even allowing them into the building! C’mon thats just wrong. They could have at least stayed in the dressing rooms. And how can they kick out the Manager, since he still manages Native Deen!
Assalaamualaikum wa rahmatullah,
What happened to the Ummah..I can’t believe that muslim artists perform in that way..it really shocked me to see how much fitnah concerts cause, men and women not seperated, the whole atmosphere reminded me of a western concert. Why do we need concerts? Why can’t we all listen to their nasheeds at home? Why do their anasheed have to be with music? Why are we trying to be like the kuffar? I’m just really disappointed and not understanding, why everyone is trying to legalize 786, Sami etc. etc., some of their songs sound like the Top 10 on MTV. And what about this hadith: Rasulullah [sallallaahu alayhi wasallam] said he is sent to destroy musical instruments. One of the signs of Qiyaamat is the abundance of musical instruments.
People over on Haseeb’s blog are talking about “poor jinan” and how we should feel sorry for her since she didn’t get to see 786 boys perform live in concert. I don’t get this fascination with concerts. I don’t have anything against concerts or nasheed, but I just don’t understand why people love concerts so much. Don’t the singers just perform songs that are available on their cds? I’ve never been to a concert of any kind, so maybe some of you can enlighten me. Do singers perform new songs at concerts? If they don’t, then I don’t understand what’s so great about a concert? If you love the song, if you love what the song is teaching you, if you love the music, if you love the islamic lyrics, why do you have to go see the band live in concert? If Jinan is so broken up about not being able to see them perform live in concert can’t she just go home and pop in their cd or tune into them on her ipod? Wouldn’t that calm her aching heart? If you are so crushed that you couldn’t see your favorite band perform live in concert then you have to wonder whether it’s the singer you love more or the song?
I also do not see the difference between 786 and sami yusuf?
If Sami Yusuf wanted to in London he could have stopped the music and reminded the girls of adab and refuse3d to continue until everyone behaved, that was not the case and personally I have NEVER seen a worse performance by the audience than at Royal Albert Hall that time.
With regards to Outlandish, they are straight up, they are a music group, not “islamic singers” or nasheed singers, they don’t use religion to sell records, but as muslims and immigrants of course that shows in their music, most of their records are bought by kufar (while muslims use limewire), they gone gold in DK and trust me you don’t do that with a purely muslim audience…
I felt kinda sorry for 786 in the documentary, not because I like their music (I think it is awful), but because I think its wrong to treat people in such a way regardless of the reasons.
^^ finally an opinion i agree with..escobar is sooo true, i hate the mentality on blogs, to pick a victim, and completely have a go at them, till thers nothin left.
(btw mr im not a dreamy-eyed 786 fan) in fact i thort it was silly of them to us an n’sync track to make their own.
But that doesnt make me question them, as the state of their religious values. (its not up to me to judge)
I don’t think they should be penalized for their looks. How about TheSoundOfReason?
outlandish may have some songs that have islamic themes, but they don’t claim to be nasheed artists.
I think you should not judge from the one or two times youve seen them.
A man had four sons, he told one of them to visit this tree in the spring time, one to visit it in summer, one in fall, and the last in winter. the one who saw it in spring said it was blossoming and beautiful, the one in summer said it was ripe, the one in fall said it was struggling with death, and the one in winter said it was withering and ugly.
We should treat our interactions with people as though they have seasons. Maybe you saw them in their fall or winter moments. But remember, their spring and summer could be 10,000 times better than your spring or summer.
Itaqullah!! Fear Allah swt and read the surah on backbiting and conspiracy between fellow Muslims.
astaghfirAllah, im very sick of the judging Muslims who assume they are better than everyone, be humble and remember those who struggle gain more thawab than those not. as is the case for the one who struggles in reading the quran compared to the one who can read with ease but doesnt.
Allahu Alem, may Allah swt forgive our sins and stop the senseless talk of the ummah.
salam..
I m not so called extremist but Music is Haram and I know there are some people who says it halal but I avoid it for sake of Allah. and these pop music with a title of ‘Islam’ i will never accept it.No offence to any body plz
urs bro
Javed
I must be fair and call it like it is… The bonus track of “Eid Mubarak” on Seven 8 Six’s (786) album was nearly a direct copy of *NSYNC’s “Merry Christmas.” Don’t believe me? Google it and check it out on Youtube. Beats, words, way more than a coincidence. Someone smell plagiarism?
You can NEVER draw the line with this kinda so-called “Nasheed-Concert-Business”
Some women think its a ‘HALAL’ way to indulge in their desires since it’s a Nasheed CONCERT. Cuz, like, look at them, they are singing about ALLAH…
Some men are like that too. And whats with older Arab women and Sami Yusuf? Sheesh.
(he is good for my zaughter)
Anywayz
This whole Genre (in terms of performances) is built on a house of cards and won’t probably last at all… most concerts I’ve been to.. it really is anti-thetical to the Nasheed lyrics. Some are low-key and okay.
Besides, Native Deen and Dawud are prolly the only ones that can work up one hell of a crowd. Damn meaningful too.
Asalaam U Alaikum…yo, i think ppl who don’t agree with M.Ryder needs to understand that everyone is entitled to their own opinion and he should feel free to express his views on whatever he likes because after all, this is his page…anyways MR, u have a lovely site here, keep it up..Bigg up
Salaam 2 everyone
take care
The true artists are the ones that can stir a persons soul with just their voice and nothing else.
the problem as i see it is 786 and the screaming women and girls, obviously they have seen a niche in the market and gone for but what i saw from the bbc documentary but was not very islamic, some peolpe are out 2 create fitna, once we educate ourselves from a islamic view these probs will become less and less inshallah.
Dear brothers and sisters,
Assalamu Alaikum. May the peace and blessings of Allah be upon you. This statement is intended to address questions surrounding the 2006 ExpoIslamia event in Manchester, UK and the incidents that transpired during SEVEN8SIX’s visit to the UK August 18-21.
SEVEN8SIX was informed indirectly that the group was removed from the ExpoIslamia program. No official statement was made to SEVEN8SIX regarding the reasons for this decision, nor was an official statement released to the public to inform them of this decision. SEVEN8SIX was notified of the decision one week prior to event, yet our name and images were never removed from promotional materials for the event. The host organization falsely advertised by continuing to have us on TV ads and posters, using SEVEN8SIX to draw in audience while there was never any intention of allowing us to perform. Such deceptive practices are immoral and disrespectful, and against Islamic principle.
Organizers admitted that their decisions not to allow SEVEN8SIX to perform were based on perceptions, misconceptions, and pre-conceived notions. A majority of the authoritative figures in this organization have probably never even seen a SEVEN8SIX performance, nor have they ever actually met us in person in an effort to dispel the negative images associated with our group. One’s actions should always be based on the truth. Especially in a large organization responsible for massive events designed to strengthen our ummah. Even with a shura, the consequences of decisions made based on assumptions or falsehoods are far greater than any harm that could arise from giving a fellow Muslim the benefit of the doubt. If one has questions or doubts, it is their responsibility to address those concerns and come to a clear understanding of the truth.
It is the duty of a Muslim to guide a brother or sister in the direction of Allah , not to avoid them and assume that the issue will resolve itself. If a brother or sister is doing wrong, it is a Muslim’s duty to respectfully suggest the right thing to do. Similarly, if there are people out there who feel that SEVEN8SIX’s image or behavior is causing problems, it is their duty to address their concerns to us directly and offer suggestions as to how this problem can be resolved. It is unfair to identify a problem and point fingers without making an effort to fix the problem; failure to actively fix that which is wrong makes you another part of the problem. As Muslims, we should strive to be problem solvers, not problem starters.
From both Islamic and business perspectives, is it not unprofessional and unethical for the organization to fail to comply with a contract agreed upon by both parties? Both Dr. Jamal Badawi and Imam Johari spoke in our defense, stating that according to the shari’ah, a contract must be fulfilled. They continued, explaining that the consequences of one’s actions must be considered, and the benefits and harms must be weighed. In this situation, there were two contracts: the contract with the artist, and the contract with the attendees of the event. The hosts of ExpoIslamia neglected to consider that SEVEN8SIX’s absence from the event would lead the audience to assume that the group decided not to attend, creating further negative perceptions about the band.
The following is an account of our weekend in in the UK. InshaAllah this will help the reader gain further perspective on the controversy between SEVEN8SIX and ExpoIslamia:
Upon learning that SEVEN8SIX had been dropped from the ExpoIslamia event, the primary focus for our visit to UK became filming a BBC documentary special on SEVEN8SIX and Native Deen, and to partake in various television and radio interviews, and to film the daily activities of both bands on the road. After arriving at London Heathrow Airport at 7 am Friday morning, we first went to an interview on the BBC Asian Network to promote SEVEN8SIX and Native Deen. Afterwards we attended Friday prayer at a Masjid in Central London. Later in the day, we did an interview for a BBC ONE radio program on the impact of music and Islamic artists on post-9/11 society. Friday ended with a charity fundraiser sponsored by Islamic Relief at a local community center in East London. Saturday morning, SEVEN8SIX and Native Deen enjoyed a trip to a park for a friendly soccer match. Saturday afternoon was spent with Sajid Varda at the Islam Channel, where SEVEN8SIX, Native Deen, and Dawud Wharnsby Ali filmed interviews and performances for an upcoming episode of Saturday Night Live. After wrapping filming at the Islam Channel studio, our bus departed for a night journey from London to Manchester for Sunday’s ExpoIslamia event. Due to rainy weather and bad driving conditions, the trip from London took a bit longer than expected and we arrived later than expected in Manchester. This forced us to postpone a meeting between the ExpoIslamia organizers and artists to discuss the decision to drop SEVEN8SIX from the event.
In a Sunday morning meeting with the organizers, SEVEN8SIX and management, were joined by Imam Johari, Native Deen, and Dr. Jamal Badawi to discuss the situation. All parties involved gave their insight on the issue of SEVEN8SIX performing, concluding that the organization’s actions were un-Islamic. Imam Johari gave the organizers three options: firstly, to address the issues, correct them, and let SEVEN8SIX perform; secondly, to announce to the audience that SEVEN8SIX had come to fulfill their duties but wasn’t allowed to perform; and thirdly, have the other performing artists explain the situation to the audience. The IFE leaders, including President Mohammed Habibur Rahman, informed SEVEN8SIX that IFE would discuss the matter further and notify us of their decision. SEVEN8SIX was not instructed to stay away from the event or the venue. This gave us a glimmer of hope that we would be given a chance to perform and to prove our naysayers wrong.
In comments made by representatives of the ExpoIslamia event, implications were made that BBC incited inappropriate behavior from SEVEN8SIX. Let it be clear that the decision to appear at the venue was made by SEVEN8SIX without the any external influence from BBC or others, and that the organizers themselves transported us to the venue. However, upon arriving at the Manchester Evening News Arena, we were avoided and ignored for over one hour while standing outside of the staff/artist entrance. Numerous event staff passed us, informing us that they would arrange for our entry to the venue, but never returned. It would have been common courtesy for at least one of those staff members to return and let us know that there was a problem with us coming inside. We stood patiently and peacefully, singing praises of Allah and Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) in front of the venue’s security staff who sat in guard of the doors through which we were not to enter. Ironically, these non-Muslim security personnel complimented us, saying that “you are very talented†and that “you all have a very nice sound.†They even asked what we were singing about and why our own people didn’t want us to enter the event. Imagine how difficult it was trying to explain that!
Upon concluding that we would not be let into the event as artists, we decided that we would walk to the box office and purchase tickets to attend the event as guests. As members of the Muslim artist community, which has offered us incredible support, our intention was simply to support the other artists performing at ExpoIslamia. Dawud Wharnsby Ali, Natve Deen, Imam Johari Abdul-Malik, Preacher Moss and Meem label-mates SHAAM are all dear friends of SEVEN8SIX, and we wished to support the performing artists and gain knowledge from scholars speaking at the event. However, as we approached the box office we discovered that the event organizers had called for a full ban of SEVEN8SIX from the venue. Ticket windows closed in front of our faces, instructed not to sell any more tickets. We simply stood outside of the entrance of the venue with nowhere to go, no knowledge of the Manchester area, and no transportation readily available to us. We also hoped to see if there would be any change of heart from the organizers. Three hours passed until the brothers of SHAAM and Imam Johari, preacher Moss and others joined us outside of the venue. Collectively, we made du’a that Allah protect us all, shelter us from ignorance, and grant the Muslim ummah peace and unity. SEVEN8SIX, its management, and BBC then left the venue without disturbance to the event, its attendees, or its organizers. Furthermore, not once in any TV or Radio interview did SEVEN8SIX make any negative comments about the organization or its people, despite being treated in a very unfair and un-Islamic manner.
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SEVEN8SIX wishes to take this opportunity to offer its viewpoints on some relevant issues:
Regularly, SEVEN8SIX is asked about the use of music. As Muslim artists, we respect the efforts of all artists who use music to help spread Islam. We acknowledge that there is ikhtilaf (differences of opinion) among eminent scholars, classical and contemporary, some of whom have permitted singing and the use of musical instruments. It is known that the subject of music is one of the most controversial topics in Islamic Law, and we respect those who consider music to be haram. After seeking advice from numerous scholars on the use music and singing, SEVEN8SIX has taken a conservative approach, using only percussion instruments in all of its material, including live performances and studio recordings. SEVEN8SIX firmly maintains its decision as a group to be a percussion-only band.
Another issue of concern is the obsessive fascination of audience members towards SEVEN8SIX or any celebrity to the point of hysteria and hero-worshipping. Such behavior is clearly un-Islamic, not to mention unhealthy. Of course, as Muslims, we are required to abide by certain etiquettes in whatever situation we may find ourselves in. However, we definitely do not see women behaving indecently at any of our concerts. To state otherwise is a gross exaggeration, if not an outright fallacy. If indeed such a response were ever to be observed, it is our responsibility as Muslims to give naseeha (advice) against this, because SEVEN8SIX does not endorse or try to provoke such behavior. During our performances, we always consciously endeavor to be responsible, respectable, modest and dignified on stage. All we ask are for the people to understand our lyrics and appreciate the beauty of Islam.
Unfortunately, rather than observing the good that we try to achieve and the dawah that we try to give, critics tend to promote negativity towards SEVEN8SIX. Apart from entertaining audiences, we believe our music is a powerful medium through which we can communicate values and social messages. In a time where the world is in complete chaos, we must focus on the problems at hand, such as drugs, violence and indecency. We understand that people have the right to criticize us and disagree with our decisions, and we always welcome any naseeha and constructive criticism for we know our defects and shortcomings are many. However, in the Islamic tradition there is adab (ethics) and respect in criticism and disagreement. In the case of the ExpoIslamia event, we feel that the organizers did not adhere to proper Islamic adab by banning SEVEN8SIX from entering the venue, making negative statements and false accusations to create a negative image of the band. We feel that it is our duty and our right to state the facts, the facts, being we behaved appropriately and respectfully, we did not do anything to cause any trouble, and that we did indeed appear at the Manchester Evening News Arena to perform for the audience as promised.
Lastly, we would like to thank the thousands of listeners and community members for their overwhelming support and emails that have poured in for SEVEN8SIX. We would also like to extend special thanks to Imam Johari, Dr. Jamal Badawi, Dawud Wharnsby Ali, Preacher Moss, Native Deen and SHAAM for all of the love and support that they have shown us. We express this gratitude despite this difficult time during which we endure ridicule and accusation. We are thankful to Allah for the loyal brotherhood of artists, scholars, and listeners with which He has blessed SEVEN8SIX, alhamdulillah. By the grace of Allah , we have learned many lessons form this trip. We ask for your continued support for SEVEN8SIX and other Muslim artists, as well as the IFE. Despite our misunderstandings and disagreements, we cannot allow this to cause divide between us; we are one Ummah with one cause: We must spread love, peace, and unity around the world and we must learn from our mistakes, inshaAllah.
Keep the Faith.
SEVEN8SIX
MR, what do you say about 786’s take on this whole issue?
I still don’t like them as Muslim artists. They did get screwed by the organizers though.
Alhamdulillah, if Muslims are coming closer to Islam because of the lyrics of there songs, then good.
I’m chill.
hhhmm? I don’t think this is sahih.
After reading all the comments, seven8six’s response and watching the documentary I cannot but sympathise with seven8six. If anything, seven8six are one of the best groups; as they have remained strong upon what they believe and they dont plunge into anything without knowing what they are doing. They have remained strong on their choice to stick to percussion only and none of their songs are indecent. This I should think appeals to both organizers and audience. Furthermore, the response which came from seven8six was extremely pleasing. On the contrary, how the organizers dealt with it all was really sad-is that how the prophet would deal with things? Have we got the wrong people organizing these events, as their actions reflect on their intentions. The whole thing has made me like seven8six more. As a young muslim of 18 in the UK, I can tell you that it is not easy. There are so many influences around us which are always there to help us go away from the deen; but there is little to help us stay firm upon the deen. Yes, there is the Quraan and the ahaadith to teach us about Islaam, but islamic songs are also there for us, speaking our language, adressing our hardships and making the islamic life practical rather than theoretical. So i’d also like to take this opportunity to thank Seven8six especially- as they are the ones who have kept me strong and initially made me wonder about Islaam, and then all the other artists who work hard to help the Muslim ummah. i also make duaa that Allaah forgives our sins and teaches us the correct manners in dealing with our fellow muslims.
Asalaam Ulaykum
I’d just like to say that I’ve been reading comments made by critics of 786 for some time, but I just can’t quite understand the problem. Why are they being criticised more than any other nasheed artist or nasheed group despite the fact that they are doing exactly the same thing… or I think better? It appears to me that the critics of 786 just cannot seem to quite understand themselves what they are talking about. They obviously see some problem associated with 786, but I don’t believe they have the right to point at 786 as being the root of it. After all, what wrong have they done, what problem have THEY caused? Absolutely none! If there is a problem then perhaps it is within us as the listeners, with this I am referring to those sisters out there that see them as their dream heroes. But just because brother Saad, Saeed, Shahaab, Omer and Zafar are good looking, doesn’t mean they deserve to be devalued, discredited and criticised. 786 have worked extremely hard and their motive is clear, to deliver words of Islam to the ummah.
I am a huge huge fan of 786, and if there is one thing I can say for sure, it is that they have come across as a ‘wake up call’ to a lot of listeners out there that had forgotten Islam to a huge extent. They talk of making dua, holding on, to remember Allah in times of good and bad, that we can keep our spirits high with Allah by our side. They express the journey to Mecca so beautifully; it reminds us that we are always welcomed there…and the list just goes on. Messages like this are really important to the youth out there because, as you all know, lately Islam has been given a harsh negative characterization. And it’s true that many Muslim youngsters out there started to view Islam as an ‘uncool’ thing, therefore they have completely neglected it. These boys have come along, and have shown that Islam is something to be proud of and we should honour our identify as muslims.
At this point critics would argue that this is utter nonsense and a completely unislamic method of reaching out to the ummah. But I ask, what else is being done, or can be done to approach the younger nation who need approaching the most. It is logic that the best way to approach them is in a way in which they will approach you themselves. What way can be better than a nasheed? It undoubtedly attracts more listeners than would any other medium. So what is wrong with that? The more listeners the merrier! There will be a greater chance that the meaningful words in the nasheed will spark a certain part of the heart with a realisation of reality, and that spark can be the start of a whole new life.
For those who go to Islamic talks and conferences and so on, is it not true that after a while you forget a lot of the stuff said? I go, and after 5 or 6 months I cannot recall a lot of the things, I’m not the only one, I have spoken to a lot of people and they say the same. Nasheeds have a rhythm: psychologically, the words are more likely to stay in our minds; therefore, we are more likely to remember them. I go to university, and through the hard day, and at the end of the day, through all the ups and downs of everyday life, I love to put on ‘falling away’ and I say the words whilst on the tube, it always makes me smile and I end up making dua thanking Allah for everything. I therefore thank 786, as it is because of them that I make this dua. I’m not the only one who has gained something so valuable from 786 nasheeds and critics out there should understand that. My brother (11 years old) listens to nasheeds 99% of the time now, where before he only listened to music. Now he knows ‘lubaykullah’, and he takes more interest in Islam than before!
786 have very skilfully and successfully delivered a positive message, and because they are themselves 5 young ‘normal’ guys, they are more likely to attract listeners, and have great potential of making a difference, this is exactly why they serve such an important part in our Islamic as well as non-Islamic society. What percentage of Muslim youths out there is likely to pick up and read an Islamic book? The percentage is likely to be pretty low. However, they are more likely to listen to a nasheed and they maybe provoked to actually go and read a book. I’d like to thank 786 on behalf of every one of us fans. I understand how hard you guys have worked, just don’t ever get put off by the critical comments made against you, coz I’ll miss you.
Assalamu Alaikum
After watching and hearing both sides of the story, ive realised that all muslims that try to delliver islam be it by books, bayaans or even nasheeds theyre all right from one angle or another. The brothers of 786 may use music but if thats the way they think they can spread islam then let it be. some of us strive for years to become Alims/Alimahs, in the same way these brother are trying there best to highlight islam out to the ummah be it muslim or non muslim.
“sabar ka pal meeta hotha hai”
no one gets anywhere without difficulties e.g. we have to live this life in order to gain the fruits of the hereafter ie jannat. So brothers i pray to Allah everyday that he completes your mission and makes it worthy of praise by all muslims,EVEN THE ONES THAT AINT TOO KEEN ABOUT YOU.
Wassalam
aslamu alaikum
sister what you have said has made me think about 786 from a totally new angle. iguess they think that singing nasheeds with music is great. if using music along with the name of allah makes muslims turn away from listening to kuffar music where theyre preaching about love etc then i say lets have some more nasheed artists preaching about allah.
wasallam
SO WHAT IF THEY GOT SCREWED U DONT GET EVERYTHING IN LIFE AS PLANNED.
“YOU WIN SOME YOU LOSE SOME”
AND WHATEVER U DO LOSE U DONT TAKE IT BAD BUT MOVE ON. COZ UVE GOT NO TIME TO LOSE
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Hey you people can stop dissin 786
and native deen cant dance
native deen stink worse than ma shit
and any way 786 neva have flirted wiv girlz and if you want proof ill giv you proof
i emailed zafar and he answered 3 lines that is it and he hasnt emailed me bak.
so jus shows he has respect.
“decentangel”u have Zafar’s email add?!
1st of all, from what I’ve learnt when i was studying in an Islamic school years ago, is that only the duff (round drum thing)is aloud, however, reason being is that we shouldn’t introduce musical influences tht are used by non-believers to call people 2wards islam.i have read the lyrics to their nasheeds and i couldn’t really figure out what “she made her mark”had anything 2 do with islam, there weren’t any islamic references to any1 in particular..hmm…
i think the way in which this situation has been handelled was disgusting!Whether ur a muslim or not, no1 should be treated in such a way!
i hope inshAllah, 786’s lyrics will improve and their ways of calling people 2 islam too.I wish them all the best for the future, brother Saad inshAllah hope u do well in dentistry, brother Shahad(i think thats ur nme :$)i hope wrk @ the ford company is well, brother Omar i hope law school prep is well, brother Zafar good luck with ur medical research stuff and brother Saeed i wish i all the best in u persuing ur medical career!
InshAllah, may Allah(swt)remove this hate(or whteva it is)from out hearts 2wards our muslim brothers!Ameen
Regards, Fatimah!
(PS.pls be easy on me if ur gnna discuss my post, im only likkle..literally:P)
decent muslims aint recognised by wether they use music or flirt
somtimes the worst turn out to be the best and vice versa
the important rule is dont judje a person by the way they make there selves out to be to ppl
coz wat matters is that which is in the heart
i dont like 786 i think native deen IS THE BEST !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BTW THIS IS SOME SAD COVO
CHANGE IT !!!!
they, the 786 rock big time yo.. wallahii.. i watch their videos very single day.. n im still not sick ov any ov emm.. datz how much im crazy bout emm..!!
well first of all there is no such thing as islamic music. there is no iktilaf on this matter. sure you’ll have a few people out there looking for doubtful ahadeeth to satify their nafs. we can do that with a lot of things, riba, selling beer…etc. either way the article by yvonne ridley was more about how sami yusuf supports the western agenda against islam and how much the ummah has strayed from it’s true purpose. i dont know much about these so called muslim boy bands. no one is perfect, we all make mistakes and we all sin. the thing that gets me is when people try to justify outright haram behavior in order to satisfy their nafs. this is bordering on shirk. if you want to make music and flirt with girls go ahead, just dont halalize it. thank you.
oh MR… i will never understand why you are such a hater! i may not be a fan… but
come on man….dont be a jerk about it!
some of u guys are way too simplistic and judgmental.. do u want Allah to judge us the
way we judge others? remember the hadith nawawi of speaking well or staying silent..
this blog and many of its viewers should think of that!
saad omar
-saad
I am not a fan of 786 but that was drryy of the organizers to make them come all the way from the U.S and then kick them out. As for sisters acting up in concerts ive seen it before and it gets pretty crazy to say the least so artists should remind people to have proper adab. I don’t think it really has nething to do with the way they look, because the native deen crew look good too, but rather their style,and attitude that makes them attractive to females.
These women shouldn’t be going crazy over some boy band. It’s not very Islamic. The bands themselves might not be at fault, but it is what the people who LISTEN to their songs that is horrible. Parents need to teach their kids ADAB before letting them loose at some concert.
also, people should know that if there is a mixed event, Muslims are not allowed to go. If they go, it is a SIN. No ifs ands or buts about it, look it up in the Quran and Hadith. On top of that, dancing is strictly forbidden in Islam unless the males/females are COMPLETELY separated. What happens at these concerts is definitely subject to be labeled Haram.
Come on bro, i see native deen move too much when they sing. The movements they make are almost like dancing. Regardless, i still listen to their nasheeds, because i take the benefit out of their lyrics and try learning it. But if your pointing your finger at the seven 8 six band, then you need to back yourself up with a more better view of native deen. I think that if seven 8 six get kicked out of some concert, equally, so sha’ll native deen. I met both bands and they all speak modestly and politely, none of the groups were flashing about. So either hate both bands or none!!!
Come on, i see native deen move too much when they sing. The movements they make are almost like dancing. Regardless, i still listen to their nasheeds, because i tlike taking the benefit out of their lyrics and try learning it. But if your pointing your finger at seven 8 six, then you need to back yourself up with a more better view of native deen. I think that if seven 8 six get kicked out of some concert, equally, so sha’ll native deen. I met both bands and they all speak modestly and politely, none of the groups were flashing about. So either hate both bands or none!!!
the women should be modest. 786 guys are motly like westners. they just sing islamic nasheeds but the other things are all like the westeners. i prefer sami yusufand native deen. they are more polite tha nthese stupid 786. they all are also doing it for their popularit yamong girls.
Oh wow i cant believe people had issues with 786 performing :s .. girls screaming for guys.. and that going as far as the band boys should get married? OK. I think they have to establish themselves first. i dont think the Prophet PBUH meant that every man or woman who is not ready – financially, emotionally, mentally and many more reasons- to get married only because they should fear some thoughts that are normal for every human being.
And making statements like that 786 would have created issues only because they are – good looking or cute to some girls- causing fitna and all that stuff- give everyone a break. Lets not forget the media we are surrounded with, guys- girls parents, everyone watches tv. i am sure there is more to that then a few boys performing. Anyways i hope ppl stop thinking narrowly and try to see that islam is suppose to be integrated in your daily life-without extremes.
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to all those who are saying repeatedly that music is haram, please visit this site:
http://www.muslimaccess.com/articles/misc/music_in_islam.asp
im not trying to change your mind, your opinion is yours but dont go forcing your opinion on others
I think 786 and native deen and all the other muslim artists out there are doing a great job
Salams
i was really disapointed to hear that 786 could not perform but hey inshallah they will ne able to next time.
just like to say that all the 786 guys(muhammed saadullah,muhammed saeedullah,zafar,omar and shaabab) in the future become what they want to do and inshallah they will do great in the future with there singing and their work and jus like to say make dau for me saad so i can get a gorgous voice like you coz i loveeeeee singing just like you all.
sumayyah.
not that anybody cares for my comment, but why do you all care so much about “Muslim Music” – by far they are the most commented posts on this blog. It’s really sad – it shows where the priorities of the youth are today.
I’m not a shirk-o-holic – but the sheer weight of the comments above this one shows exactly why the majority of muslims are too weak in the deen to be listening to “muslim music” or any music for that matter – are so intoxicated by it that they argue with each other harshly because of it.
And on that note i have to agree with yvonne ridley, however i completely disagree with the manner in that she replied to sami yusuf and azhar usman. She had valid points, but she had not reason to ridicule them in such a way – and what really hurt me was the way she defended it by saying ” Im a reporter – it’s my job to get a reaction” – but we should remember that at least she is a person who chose to become a muslim – and that is enough for me – alhamdulillah.
The point here is this – muslims should be soft towards eachother, instead we are not only hard towards eachother by arguing and verbally defecating, but for the IDOLS we’ve taken as “Muslim Musicians” or w/e you want to call them. That is serious shirk. Think about what you’re doing. THe majority of muslims are not mature enough to listen to muslim music.
and astukhfirullah – i can’t believe the first comment about the 786 boys was this : “they do perform Muslim music and they are being critisized because they are cute???”
to what point have we the youth digressed if we can openly say things like that.
jus like to say has any11111 got any good info on 786 eg e-mail address number anything useful please e-mail it to me on sumayyah.yusuf@hotmail.co.uk jazakallah.
i hope inshAllah, 786’s lyrics will improve and their ways of calling people 2 islam too.
I wish them all the best for the future, muhammed saadullah (Saad)inshAllah hope u do well in dentistry and extraa luck for u cuz i luv ur singing and tabla “make dua for me that i can sing like u ameen”.,Shahaab i hope wrk @ the ford company is well,Omar i hope law school prep is well,Zafar good luck with ur medical research stuff and muhammed saeedullah (Saeed)i wish u all the best in u persuing ur medical career!
wish u guys all the best for the future ameen.
i jus wana say some people dnt hv repect i lv all nasheds thy gv msgs out i lyk 786 nasheeds alot
i lyk 786 nsheeds
i hate any1111 dat h8s 786 i mean shahaab iz ma big bro n if any11 h8s him i h8 them lyk shit and da band membas r soooooooo sweet and nyc to me they luv me as der own little sista mwaah luv you shahaab baiyah
I can’t believe they never allowed 786 to even enter the venue. I’m a huge fan of SEVEN8SIX and love their music. I bet if they were all married and extremely unattrractve then they would have definitley been allowed to perform. There’s not much of a difference between Native Deen and Seven8Six apart from the fact that all the group members of Native Deen are married. 786 were treated extremley discourteously, especially seen as they had come all the way from America. I wish them all the best for the future and hope they NEVER give up performing!
i’d like to add another thing…, Saad Muhammad i married now the guy from 786 who alwaysz playsz the tabla…, so please i beg 786 never 2 give up singing
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