92 Replies to “US Soldiers tease Iraqi children: “You want water, come run for it.””

  1. Forgive my ignorance, but in relation to some points here about killing innocent people: In Islam and in the name of Jihad, is it also allowed and justifiable to kill innocent people during the suicide bombings? or anything of this sort of actions we read and hear from the news all across the globe?

    Honestly, I am against killing innocent people, no matter what religion and faith they have.

  2. I soooo want to do the same thing to the soldier holding the water bottle and the guy with him. Those sons of b****s

  3. Wow! I leave for a day and check this blog and see that it got even more bizarre with the comments. Lets keep it real fellas… I can’t speak for EVERYONE fighting in the war, but I will say that MOST of us Americans fighting in the war are not like that soldier in the video of poor taste. I am not impressed by those actions and would have seen to it that that sort of thing not have happened again if he were with my team. Unfortunately in this society the media and those who think it is funny post poor taste videos like that making ALL of us look bad, when in actuality it is a very very small number of idiots like that. Let’s be mature, objective thinkers here, come on? I proudly serve amongst thousands of soldiers who risk their lives daily to help the muslim world. Believe it or not, that’s what our soldiers do! They risk their lives and die for what our country believes is the right thing to do. It’s saddening that the resistance has made it so difficult, but come on??? Do you actually believe that we were sent here just to slay innocent people? It’s that naeve and narrow minded thinking that interferes with people like me that are trying to do a good thing for somebody that I don’t even know. I have lost many brother officers and soldiers thus far, yet we Americans keep our heads up and fight for Iraq despite attitudes such as many here. It’s just despicable to hear these comments! all I ask is that you keep things in perspective and not let the media and videos such as forementioned paint the entire picture of Americans. Until you are here to see just how brave and caring our men and women are for people whom they do not even know, you can never really know. Videos like mine of the kids are things that don’t make CNN, yet occur EVERY SINGLE DAY!!!! I fail to even mention the free medical care and millions of dollars our country has spent helping the innocent. Just show me/us a little courtesy and not criticise us all. Some of us gave some and some of us gave all… Respect the soldier and others here for making those sacrifices.

    God Bless!

    R. Phan

    Baghdad, Iraq
    CPATT Team Baghdad
    k9joker@hotmail.com

  4. This is in defense and response to all those leaving messages on this blog. I am a personal friend to R. Phan. The difference between all of you sitting at your computer harrasing and complaining and doing nothing about the situation in Iraq and around the world is that your doing nothing about it other than complaining about it on a two bit website. He on the other hand is sitting in possibly the most terrible place in the world and he volunteered to go there. I read a comment “that video is a piece of garbage meant to incite sympathy for individuals whose job it is to murder people.” in respose to that I was one of the people who shipped toys to him to give to childeren and I take offense to the fact that I want those people murdered and thats why I sent those things over there. Many people worst enenmy is thier own ingnorance. So take a moment and stop being so synical. Take some time pray for those people over there that are trying to make a differece and if it makes you that upset that you keep posting comments then go and start trying to make a difference!, R. Phan did so instead of trying to knock him down blog him and say thanks for doing that and Iraq should have more people who care instead of the sick soldiers who made the above video.

  5. R. Phan on November 22, 2006 at 11:33 pm said:

    Wow! I leave for a day and check this blog and see that it got even more bizarre with the comments. Lets keep it real fellas… I can’t speak for EVERYONE fighting in the war, but I will say that MOST of us Americans fighting in the war are not like that soldier in the video of poor taste. I am not impressed by those actions and would have seen to it that that sort of thing not have happened again if he were with my team. Unfortunately in this society the media and those who think it is funny post poor taste videos like that making ALL of us look bad, when in actuality it is a very very small number of idiots like that. Let’s be mature, objective thinkers here, come on? I proudly serve amongst thousands of soldiers who risk their lives daily to help the muslim world. Believe it or not, that’s what our soldiers do! They risk their lives and die for what our country believes is the right thing to do. It’s saddening that the resistance has made it so difficult, but come on??? Do you actually believe that we were sent here just to slay innocent people? It’s that naeve and narrow minded thinking that interferes with people like me that are trying to do a good thing for somebody that I don’t even know. I have lost many brother officers and soldiers thus far, yet we Americans keep our heads up and fight for Iraq despite attitudes such as many here. It’s just despicable to hear these comments! all I ask is that you keep things in perspective and not let the media and videos such as forementioned paint the entire picture of Americans. Until you are here to see just how brave and caring our men and women are for people whom they do not even know, you can never really know. Videos like mine of the kids are things that don’t make CNN, yet occur EVERY SINGLE DAY!!!! I fail to even mention the free medical care and millions of dollars our country has spent helping the innocent. Just show me/us a little courtesy and not criticise us all. Some of us gave some and some of us gave all… Respect the soldier and others here for making those sacrifices.

    God Bless!

    R. Phan

    Baghdad, Iraq
    CPATT Team Baghdad
    k9joker@hotmail.com

    Let’s keep it real? What reality do you live in? Reality is that US media protrays you like your doing Iraqi’s a favor by invading thier country and its totally justified because Bush said so. You don’t want Muslims to portray all US soliders as evil inhumane killers? Like the ones in this video or Abu Gharib Prison or the Haditha Massacre, or countless and not even heard of war crimes, yet the U.S. media correlates a Muslim to a Terrorist. Isn’t that hypocritcal?

    Bush LIED about Iraq being an imminent threat to the U.S., LIED about WMD’s, LIED about the AL Quaeda connection. What’s your excuse?
    I really would like to know? Enlighten me. It’s narrow minded to think that just because you handed out a few toys to Iraqi children the U.S. did something noble, while thousands of other children are being shot at and bombed on. Do not generalize this to ‘fighting men and women are doing this for people they don’t even know’ because you don’t know what other soldiers are thinking and what thier real motives are. Actions speak louder than words. Hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians are dead on a U.S. presidential LIE. Do you think Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld should be tried for war crimes?

    So, the U.S. is spending millions of dollars on medical care. Why did U.S. destroy the country casuing billions of dollars in damage? Why does the U.S. murder innocent people and would you dare put a price on a life? Why is the US stealing oil which is Iraq’s natural resource and its billions of dollars? Why are US contractors bidding for billions of dollars in contracts in Iraq(ex. Halliburton)?
    CNN is NOT network TV, it shows what other broadcasted Network TV stations do not. videos like yours are broadcasted. FOX would repeat your video every freakin hour.

    Let’s put this into perspective. Every single day Iraqi’s are being killed. Most Muslims in Muslim countries do not hate Americans, they hate the U.S. Gov’t, U.S. Foriegn Policy in Middle East, and U.S. Soldiers and they are justified for doing so.

    Any U.S. soldier that dies in Iraq, dies in vain.

  6. Why dont you bloody Americans get it. Your taking part in an illegal war and everyone soldier that dies in that war, dies in vain! For nothing! For squat! Nobody asked you to come to Iraq and nobody asked you to drop bombs on sleeping children. Every Soldier’s death is justified!!! There is no such thing as an “innocent” soldier. If you even had a shread of humanity in you, you would have refused to have taken part in an illegal war. Nobody wants you in Iraq, please, as if giving toys to kids makes a difference! Why dont you give them back their mum? Their dad? Their brother? Their sister? WHY NOT? thats right because YOU killed them, buthchered them to be precise and then you have the nerve to make these propaganda videos! You people make me sick! Words can not even begin to describe by level of disgust @ these “Patriotic American Muslims” who have sympathy for the soldiers. Would you have sympathy for someone who raped your mother? sexually abused your father? and took the life of your baby brother, a week old as he lay in his crib, sleeping? would you? and then you have the nerve to say that not all soldiers are like that, they probably aren’t, but then again they bombed 2 countries because of the alleged actions of a few “muslims”, well guess what not all muslims are like that either! So count yoursself lucky your only being vilified and not having bombs dropped over your head!!!!

    My blood boils.

  7. I totally agree with posts #55, 56, and 57. Comments coming from R. Phan and battry_boy are truly disgusting, inhumane, uncivil, cruel, hateful, despicable, horrible, absolutely arrogant, down right unjust, and narrow minded. Handing out toys to kids is a good thing, ok I get that, that’s fine, but please let’s keep it real. The reason iraq is a mess now and the reason iraqis are suffering right now is because of the american military involvement. American military forces started this whole mess, they are responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent children, women, and men.

  8. I apologize Zs for anything wrong I may have said. Forgive me everyone. Our arrogance gets the best of us at times. My point was stemming though exactly what you came the conclusion you came to, the ayah in Surah Zalzalah. Like I said, May Allah have mercy on us all, and guide us all.

  9. this clip that is shown above is just sickening to me. As a 17 year old male in this country ive seen alot of sick things, but my Allah this has to be one of the worst. Inshallah, Allah will one day give beauty back to Iraq and many more Muslim nations like it. War is wrong period, but like..
    Saad S. said

    “You want to support the troops…

    Support the MUJAHIDEEN.”

    this is true. Just wish we had those proud Ummah we had back then to stand up today.
    Im just proud to be a Muslim with such rich history and background, but now its being demolished by todays ignorance.

    May Allah bless all, Islam is the religion of peace, So lets support that.

  10. Folks, lets give the soldier some credit for clarifying his position. It’s clear he is not out there intending to unjustly kill any civillians so don’t act immature and put words in his mouth. Fine, we all disagree with the war and Bush’s policies but lets not pick on one marine who in the end was trying to do some good and does not defend the evil acts committed by some of his fellow marines.

    Having said that, I have only one thing to say to R. Phan, that it is extremely naive to think that you are out there to “help the muslim world” or anything like that. Many of your fellow marines and countrymen have realized that this war is not to “help the muslim world” rather the motive of the war is quite clear, its oil and some other things Bush and his cronies planned for. There are many people who are protesting. I suggest you join them and do whatever possible to change the course to bring the troops back home. Until a marine does not feel that this war is unjust, I’m sorry to say but the blame will lie squarely upon you for acts committed in your name whether you condemn them or not.

  11. zs, i completely understand why is s/he so heated up and passionate- i mean comon just look at the video, whose blood wouldnt boil? we should be as angry when we see muslims suffering in the hands of non-muslims. if such videos have no effects on us then there is a problem!

  12. OMG How dare u defend the american military that is just azero of what they do there !

    the video is just a disgrace for the americans and they still ignoring the fact and look at it as if that is just one marine and bla bla !!

    what about what happened in “Ghareeb prison ”
    what about the raping and killin ppl and children what we see in our news what they dont show u in america !

    I swear if that was happening to the americans by Muslims it would be on TV and News all around the world ,that Muslims are Bad,Criminals, terrorists …and u know the rest !

    but since they did it its nothing .. yeah NOTHIN to mention !

    May ALLAH bring muslims heads back and destroy all our enemies Ameen ..

  13. I am an American Muslim, and i agree with battryboy. Stop wasting time bickering and argueing on the internet and get your lazy self off the computer, go to Iraq, and make a difference. Shaykh Hamza Yusuf once said, “Do not criticize anything if you yourself cannot change it. So until you try to make a difference in Iraq with your actions then you should speak.

    1. Arguing is not a characteristic of a Muslim.
    2. to Abir: Killing innocent people is forbidden in all religions. The suicide bombers do not act out of Islam but out of anger, ignorance, and frustration.
    3. If you truly care about your dying Muslim brothers and sisters in Iraq, then get off your computer and pray. And after you pray, volunteer to help an antiwar protest. Or Join a humanitarian aid project and go to Iraq. Or become an antiwar activist. But for God’s sake, esp ZS. stop arguing!
    5. Arguing is a desire of our nafs! The Prophet Muhammud, (peace be on him), said that the first person who walks away from an argument (whether he is right or wrong) gets a mansion in Paradise.

    Fi-Amanillah.
    Islam = Submission
    The root of Islam is Salam
    Salam = Peace
    The root of Islam is PEACE

  14. MR sis, You went against everything you mentioned in your own post. Let’s try to be respectful to each other, insha’Allah.

  15. MR sis, those of us who are against this war have a right to speak out about it. The prophet said that one of the ways we can go about trying to change things is with our tongue. I and others are not aruguing for the sake of arguing. We are stating that the war is illegal and that the soldiers should leave iraq right now. How dare you call me lazy? How do you know what I have and have not done? It’s a crime to tell others that this war is wrong? You want those of use who are against this war to shut up on here? Why? Why aren’t we allowed to say that this war is wrong and that the soldiers’ actions are wrong? How do you know that I have not been to an antiwar protest? How do you know that I have not been up at night praying for my brothers and sisters all over the world? How do you know that I have not been up at night crying for my brothers and sisters. How dare you! I agree with sunnilink, you totally ignored the very advice you sought to give, especially the 5th item on your list. May Allah grant you the guidance which you are so desperately in need of, ameen.

  16. Comments like that from MR sis show exactly why this ummah is so weak. May Allah protect us from such troublesome people.

  17. Wow! Quite a discussion going on here! Bro zs, I totally agree with you man. I can’t believe the comments of egyptchick and MR sis, that is really shameful. MR sis, call yourself a muslim first and an american second. The fact that you label yourself an american first speaks volumes about how you approach this topic. Get your priorities straight, islam comes first, not your nationality or your nafs.

  18. This video is a new low for american troops, as if killing innocent people and raping 14 year old girls was not low enough. I can’t believe some muslims here are criticizing other muslims who are critical of american soldiers. MR sis, your comments are very immature. While your comments do hold some value you come up with the totally wrong conclusion.

  19. How horrible this video is! Subhanallah! How can people be so cruel to children! As for the discussion that is going on here, none of us is better than another person. MR sis… I see what you are saying, but I don’t think its so wrong for people to protest the war on here. People are frustrated. Maybe they are doing what they can, its not fair for you to be so judgemental. You say that arguing is not a characteristic of a muslim, but isn’t your comment a very tool of argumentation? May Allah help the people of iraq and may He help all the muslims around the world, ameen. May Allah guide all of us to the straight path, ameen.

  20. Battryboy was defending an american soldier. Basically battryboy was saying that R. Phan is not lazy because R. Phan chose to serve in the military and fight in iraq, thereby making a difference. Instead of being critical of the war, MR SIS defends battryboy. Huh?????? What?!? So a good way of making a difference and being pro active is to go kill muslims in iraq? That is messed up. This is an illegal war and america needs to get out of there pronto.

  21. Why is it that MR sis, egyptchick, and others are so quick to defend american soldiers and their sympathizers and at the same time so quick to condemn fellow muslim brothers and sisters? There are muslims killing muslims in iraq, quite brutally, and that is horrible and sad. But what about the muslims that are fighting american forces? Why are you lumping them in with everything else that is happening? Don’t the iraqi people have the right to live in their country without the presence of foreign invaders? Why aren’t there more muslims defending these mujahideen? Everyone is so happy that the democrats won this election. A big reason they did win is because of the mess in iraq. But you know americans don’t care about muslims killing muslims, they care about their own soldiers. It’s tribalism at it’s worst. Their soldiers are dying, so now many americans are against the war for that reason. I know there are some americans who are against the war for other reasons as well, but they are classified as liberal nuts and cast away into the minority. The vietnam anti war movement didn’t pick up steam until the U.S. began to experience an increase in casualties. That war has sensitized the american public, they don’t want to lose a great number of soldiers. Most americans who are against the war just care about their soldiers. Do you really think Bush’s approval rating numbers would be so low if american soldiers were not dying? Come on, please. Let’s stop condemning fellow muslims. You know…MUSLIMS, who say “there is not diety, but Allah and Muhammad (saw) is His messenger” and who pray 5 times a day.

  22. MR sis you agree with battryboy? Wait let me get this straight, r phan (the u.s. soldier fighting in iraq) is better than the muslims who are criticizing the war on this blog because r phan is active and the muslims here are lazy? What? Did I miss something?

  23. Come on guys, it’s yowm ul jum’aa. Let’s come together for the sake of Allah and start the healing. Let’s call a truce, come on, whadda ya say? 🙂

  24. Bro Yaser, no hard feelings. Truce, you are right. Walahi, I have purged my heart of all ill feelings, alhumdolillah. I wish everyone a happy jummah. Just a reminder, when you go to the masjid today, please pray for our brothers and sisters in Iraq and around the world. May Allah accept the salaat and du’aa of the muslimeen, ameen. I will adhere to the truce, I promise, no more comments from me(hooooorraaaaayyy!). 🙂

  25. The lesson here is that when you treat people with respect and kindness then they will be more receptive to your message.

  26. Oh thank god I wasn’t near a PC yesterday for I was eating turkey at my “white” grandma’s house. ( who hasn’t a pc). I am appalled that you ppl don’t read the lines of my comments and MRsis’s CLEARLY. Thanks Yaser for coming to my defense 🙂

    OH yeah and Happy Thanksgiving.

  27. So many people here are ignorant, Jesus Christ. (I know I’ll get chastised for the last two words of the previous sentence, but you can bite me.)

    Go pick up a book and read for yourselves, what truly is going on in the world. I’m tired of being called unpatriotic, Mo-ham-ed, and other bs. I highly recommend ‘Confessions of an Economic Hitman’ by John Perkins and ‘The Fateful Triangle:…” by Avram Noam Chomsky.

  28. how ironic, whilst we battle it out as to who is right or wrong, our muslim brothers and sisters are battling it out fot their very lives. Guys and galz, we have much much bigger wars to fight, lets not disunite at the 1st hurdle

    Subhanallah This is why the muslims are so behind- shear petty-ness!

  29. Egyptianchic is a lowly hypocrite. “I’m against the war but support the troops” my foot! Fourteen year old Abeer Hamza was gangraped and murdered by these evil thugs, who then went and murdered her entire family. “Oh here are some toys for the relatives kids, we’ll rape ’em when they’re old enough.”
    Bottom Line = American soldiers are terrorists.

  30. hey what happened what i said, and you go Z’s, i’ll make the afghani rice and chicken and send it to you guys, I am Afghan and lovin it cause im practically black

  31. To all those that support U.S. troops, you should not…

    By THOMAS WAGNER, Associated Press Writer
    Sat Dec 9, 6:46 PM ET

    Iraq’s influential Association of Muslim Scholars and the country’s largest Sunni Arab political party, the Iraqi Islamic Party, on Saturday condemned a deadly U.S. military attack the previous day in al-Ishaqi village in volatile Salahuddin province.

    The U.S. command said a ground raid and airstrike killed 20 insurgents, but local officials claimed at least 19 civilians died, including seven women and eight children.

    About 1,000 residents of the predominantly Sunni village of al-Ishaqi held a funeral for the 19 dead Saturday, shouting “Down with the occupiers,” “Long live the resistance,” and “There is no God but Allah.”

    The Association of Muslim Scholars, a group of hard-line Sunnis that opposes the coalition, issued a statement alleging U.S. soldiers entered two Iraqi houses, shot 32 civilians to death, including women and children, and then blew up the buildings to make it look as if the victims died in a U.S. airstrike targeting insurgents.

    The Iraqi Islamic Party, part of a Sunni bloc that controls 44 of parliament’s 275 seats, made a similar claim, calling the attack “a new massacre by the American occupiers.”

    Last spring, a U.S. investigation cleared American soldiers of misconduct during a March 15 raid in al-Ishaqi in which Air Force planes destroyed a building believed to be hiding al-Qaida in Iraq insurgents. Villagers claimed soldiers killed 11 civilians before ordering for the airstrike.

  32. Despair Not of
    God’s Grace
    A Message to People of Faith
    By Shaykh Abdallah bin Bayyah
    Translated by Hamza Yusuf
    In the Name of God, the
    Merciful and Beneficent. Praise be
    to the Possessor of the heavens
    and the earth, the Living, the
    Sustaining, the Omnipotent, the
    Overpowering, the Merciful, and
    the Gracious. With these Names
    and Attributes, He revolves day
    and night, encompassing everything with His Knowledge and Mercy.
    Benedictions and solace be upon our master Muhammad, the
    prophet and final messenger of God, and upon his brothers, among
    the many prophets and messengers before him.
    My friends and brothers, I greet you and express heartfelt gratitude
    for your generous invitation during this particular time of pain
    and sadness we all share for those innocent people of varying faiths
    that were killed by an evil hand in New York and Washington. We particularly
    appreciate and highly value the position that the highest
    Church authorities have taken during this crisis concerning attempts
    to use this tragedy as a Trojan Horse in order to attack the civilization
    of Islam and to condemn Islam and Muslims, forgetting history as
    well as the rights of ancient neighbors from both the Christian and
    Muslim civilizations.
    We all share in our condemnation of this heinous act of terror that
    no sacred tradition sanctions, especially the religion of Islam. Reason
    itself rejects this act of madness. It is nihilistic to kill oneself and to kill
    others unjustly; thus, two grave wrongs were perpetrated on that day
    according to Islam. While there are still ambiguous aspects to this
    affair, and the realities of what took place have not all been made
    apparent, we make it clear to you, in no uncertain terms, that if the
    accusations are in any way true, then the Muslim jurists are the first to
    demand the most severe punishments for these acts.
    The Islamic faith considers the murder of one soul on a par with
    This is a talk that world renowned
    Islamic scholar Shaykh Abdallah bin
    Bayyah gave shortly after September 11,
    2001 at a meeting in Rome in
    which many world religious
    leaders participated.
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    killing all of humanity: the Quran states,
    “Whoever kills one soul unjustly, it is as if he has
    killed all of humanity” (Maidah : 32). This is
    because a solitary soul represents all of
    humanity in the beginning of creation and
    in its re-creation as God says, “Your creation
    and your resurrection is as one soul” (Luqman:
    28).
    Furthermore, the sacred law of Islam
    prohibits killing animals and cutting down
    trees without right. Our Prophet, peace be
    upon him, mentioned a specific person who
    was punished in hell for torturing a cat by
    locking it up and starving it to death. The
    Prophet, peace be upon him, prohibited
    killing ants, bees, and frogs.
    Tell me, how then could he
    permit the killing of a
    human being, whom God
    has ennobled and dignified
    over the rest of His creation?
    “And verily, We have given the
    children of Adam their human
    dignity. We have carried them
    safely over land and sea and
    provided them from the good
    things of the Earth” (Quran,
    Isra : 70).
    Islam is a message that
    enjoins spreading peace toward those one
    knows and those one does not know as mentioned
    in the prophetic tradition. We are
    here to extend to you goodness, virtue, and
    love based upon our own Quran’s injunction:
    “God has not prohibited you from displaying
    all forms of goodness and equity toward those who
    do not persecute you or drive you from your
    legitimate homes”(Mumtahinah: 8). The conditions
    set down here are not biased or
    unfair. The first relates to the freedom of
    religion and the second, the right to live in
    security in a person’s own land. There is an
    interesting point this verse highlights, and
    that is the idea of treating all human beings
    with equity. Qadi Abu Bakr, a scholar from
    Spain from the 12th Century, explains that
    equity in this verse means “sharing with equitable
    non-Muslims a portion of one’s wealth as a
    response to their good character and treatment of
    the Muslim.”
    In the Quran, God says, “You will find the
    closest to the believing Muslims in love are
    those who call themselves Christians. That is
    because from among them are priests and
    monks, and they do not behave haughtily”
    (Maidah: 82). These are beautiful qualities
    that God has described the true Christians
    as possessing. The Quran says, “God
    commands you to act justly” (Nahal: 90). Our
    relationship with you is one of peace, virtue,
    and justice. That is the position of Islam
    yesterday, today, and tomorrow.
    It is a principled
    position that has no relationship
    to the shifting
    balances of power.
    There is no denying that
    we bear the burdens of a
    shared history of past troubles
    and the weight of
    today’s problems, and if
    God does not receive us
    with His Grace, we fear
    greatly the dark possibilities
    of our future. Moreover,
    there are biased interpretations and views
    that some groups adopt in every faith and
    religion which may reach extremes. It is,
    nonetheless, possible for us to invoke the
    relevant injunctions from our sacred scriptures
    that are the closest to a global spirit of
    cooperation and peace within the frame of
    a culture of peace.
    Our friends on the other side of the
    Mediterranean must also help us with one
    concept only, and that is justice. Justice is a
    precious word to each of our faiths as well as
    the rest of humanity in every time and place.
    According to our faith, one of the Names
    among the Names of God is The Just. We
    have a sacred tradition in which God speaks
    to all of His creation saying, “O My servants, I
    THE PROPHET,PEACE
    BE UPON HIM,
    PROHIBITED KILLING
    ANTS,BEES,AND
    FROGS. HOW THEN
    COULD HE PERMIT THE
    KILLING OF A HUMAN
    BEING,WHOM GOD HAS
    ENNOBLED AND
    DIGNIFIED OVER THE
    REST OF HIS CREATION?
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    have prohibited for Myself oppression, and I have
    prohibited it for you also, so do not oppress one
    another.”
    We know that Infinite Justice is God’s
    alone. Therefore, we have to analyze three
    key understandings: my justice, your justice,
    and Absolute Justice. We need to discuss and
    come to an understanding of the concepts
    that are shared and absolute between all of
    the revealed religions using the tools we
    have been given, including our intellects
    and human reason. Indeed, as Aristotle
    says, “The intellect is the most equitably divided
    trait among humans.”
    The explanation of justice that is most
    shared among us is simply
    this: an innocent person
    should not be taken to
    account for the wrongs of a
    guilty person. This is a universal
    principle that none
    of us can debate. Indeed, it
    is an Abrahamic principle
    according to the Quran:
    “Have they not been informed
    of what was in the Scrolls of
    Moses and Abraham who fulfilled
    their covenants—that
    one soul does not bear the
    wrongs of another and that a human being has
    only what he strives for?”
    Another principle we all share is that a
    man is innocent until he is proven guilty.
    We Muslims call this principle original innocence
    because we regard a human being as
    basically good unless he proves himself otherwise
    through vile actions as the Quran
    states, “This is the inherent nature that God created
    humanity upon” (Rum: 30). The Quran
    also warns us: “Verify any accusations so that
    you are not oppressive toward a people out of
    ignorance, and then have remorse for the harm
    you caused” (Hujurat: 6).
    We must also work together to redress
    the historical wrongs of the past and of the
    present by attempting to find the shared
    understanding that most approximates the
    ideal of Absolute Justice, even if that might
    insult my justice or your justice. For if we do
    that, we can indeed overcome these trials
    and deracinate terrorism, religiously
    inspired acts of insanity, and reactionary
    extremism within our midst. We must
    expend our energies and enlist our scholars
    and sages in coming to a just solution to the
    question of Palestine so as to prevent the
    matter from being left to people who have
    lost their sense of balance or who actually
    desire wars and conflicts. Indeed, peace is
    not only the best of what is good for the
    weak but for the strong as well.
    In addition, we must not
    allow special interest groups
    that benefit from wars and
    their consequences to
    declare a war of civilizations,
    especially between Islam
    and Christianity. We prefer
    peace and conviviality to
    vying for civilizational superiority.
    We must also make
    serious efforts to come to a
    precise definition of the concepts
    and technical terms we
    use, such as terrorism.
    Unfortunately, a war over terminology can
    lead to physical violence and actual warfare.
    Frankly, many Muslims ask, “What do the
    super-powers mean by terrorism?” They want
    to know on what exactly is war being waged
    before they board the ship setting sail to
    wage war on it. In fact, they are afraid that if
    they get on the ship, the captain might suddenly,
    in mid-sea, turn and accuse them of
    being terrorists! Is terrorism killing innocents,
    destroying property, and threatening
    people’s security? Or, is wearing a turban,
    building Quranic schools, reciting the
    Quran, and teaching people Islam considered
    terrorism? Is legitimate defense of
    your homeland and the attempt to rightfully
    take back what was wrongfully taken from
    WE CAN INDEED
    OVERCOME THESE TRIALS
    AND DERACINATE
    TERRORISM,RELIGIOUSLY
    INSPIRED ACTS OF
    INSANITY, AND
    REACTIONARY
    EXTREMISM WITHIN OUR
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    you considered terrorism by he who has
    wronged you? These questions need to be
    answered and should be before any of us
    gets on board with the captain of the ship.
    We should also proclaim this century a
    century of peace, development, religious
    tolerance, and culture in order that humanity
    may enjoy the gifts and blessings of this
    earth which we share in the shade of our
    Creator’s dominion until humanity receives
    our master Jesus, peace be upon him. We
    wish to be living in peace and prosperity as
    he descends from his heavenly abode in that
    wondrous and exalted state that was
    described by our Prophet, upon him be
    peace, when he said about Jesus,
    He will descend from on high upon the
    white minaret to the east of Damascus with
    his hands in the wings of two angels. If he
    lowers or raises his head, beads like pearls
    fall from him. Any disbeliever who receives
    a whiff of his breath’s scent will die, and his
    scent reaches to where his eye leaves off.
    The Antichrist seeks him out, and Christ
    kills him at the gate of Ludd. He then wipes
    the brows of some of those whom the
    Antichrist had no effect upon, and he
    informs them of their ranks in Paradise. He
    then isolates himself with the believers until
    Gog and Magog are removed. God then
    blesses the earth, and it is said to the earth,
    “O earth, bring forth your provisions and
    fruits, and give again your blessings.” In
    those days, many will eat from one pomegranate
    and rest in the shade of its shell
    (related by Muslim, part 18).
    Another narration states,
    “During Jesus’ reign, such security will
    exists that a camel will graze with the lion
    and the beast of prey with cows and sheep.
    Children will play with snakes, and none
    harm the other” (Musnad, 406:2).
    Thus, peace is described in those days. So
    let us ask ourselves this: Do we want to greet
    such days in the shade of wars and conflict
    or of peace and love?
    Finally, perhaps we should listen well and
    heed the advice of Prophet Jacob, peace be
    upon him, when he said to his sons,
    “O my sons, go seek out Joseph, and do not
    despair of God’s Grace. For none but people
    without gratitude despair of the Grace
    of God.”
    Let us then never despair of the Mercy of
    our Lord.
    

  33. I know that many troops are against the War but really they shouldn’t be there in the first place if they disagree with it and see its immorality, the exception would be if they turn against it after being deployed, it was based on lies people! To those who are against the war but support the troops, I see where your coming from but I support troops who are serving as peacekeepers as in the case of the balkans, Iraq is an entirely different conflict all together and is part of a greater war against Islam by neoconservatives and extremist Christians and Zionists, when these people repetedly use the term Islamofascism it should ring a bell. I’m sure if you guys saw some more graphic video’s posted by the military in Iraq you will change your views. Check out this Mosque being unjustifiably blown up in Iraq and read some of the comments closely, the internet is where people seem to express their true feelings so it should give us a decent idea of what people think about us Muslims. Just be prepared not to hear nice things:

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=J6RbnNZivqo&feature=related

    I’m a patriotic American Muslim but I will never be afraid to tell someone they are wrong even if its the Emperor of Rome himself no matter what. These are the qualities that make us Muslims strong, we should never let them go. We haven’t even spoken of the contractors that were hired in Iraq, they still have freedom to do whatever they want and it isn’t reported. I’m telling you war is hell, and men become monsters, the exception to this would only come from someone with strong, strong Iman who would fight his nafs and know that Allah will hold him/her accountable for their actions even if noone else will. I’m a strong supporter of military institutions but very few wars are justified and it is extremely difficult to fight them within the bounds of the Law.

    Videos of marines (don’t forget their real name: professional killers) giving out toys to kids will not make up for all the bombings and killings and creation of orphans in that nation. Makes me wonder, how many of those kids lost a parent or family member in this war, will a teddy bear bring them back? Will it take the place of a mother or father who would have loved and cared for them the rest of their lives, I think not.

    Indeed, May Allah Guide us all to be defenders of Truth and Justice no matter what the consequences or the odds against us.

  34. i fully agree with zs’s objections and i am disgusted with the egyptchick’s brainless arguments and explanations!

  35. Asalamualaikum Brothers and Sisters

    I would just like to state that I never reply or comment on any post, but as I was reading this post and seeing the controversial views, between Zs and EgyptChik, I believe Zs has a lot of hatred for the Americans for going to war on Iraq and quite frankly who doesnt.
    I myself after watching the video really felt like going there to help the children somehow.

    But I believe Zs should not critisize other people if he takes criticism from others so personally. Who are you to tell her that the word ‘chick’ is wrong. Chick is another word for girl, it has several meanings to the person. WHy does it matter to you?
    “Ugh, you make me sick. And please have more self respect for yourself as a woman instead of calling yourself a “chick”.”
    It honestly makes me sick we still have MEN in this world with such narrow minded thinking. There was no need to say such thing, you argument was about PROPAGANDA, not about her name :S. WHy does that even matter to you?

    So what if she posted a video like that, there is some truth to that video. There are many soldiers and people there actualy HELPING people there. You can’t help ALL of them its common sense, its a war for a reason, they would help all of them if they could but they can’t.

    So InshAllah you understand my point, and don’t take offense to any of this, but do not disrespect any person, and tell them to go away because they have different views from you. Respect and Love one another.

    May Allah Bless You and Me and this whole Ummah

  36. Quite an interesting read, I agree with everyone and I also disagree with some of the statements/posts I read///

    To the soldier in Iraq, whether or not you believe in God or not, you will be accounted for Every Single Breath You Take , your words your actions….if your intention is good then it will sow a good seed, if you have a hidden agenda then the wrath of Allah will be on you…period.

    Even a smile is charity so for you to do what you do (if the intention is right) is classed as charity irrespective of surrounding conditions.

    Lets not forget people that A LOT of these ORDERS that are CARRIED OUT has been sorted from the big guys at the top!!!!

    I am in no way down with the illegal invasion of Iraq, you should leave Iraq, break your leg or something and just get out. how can you sleep at night when you cold hearted wannabe hard boy trigger happy fools can kill openly, May Allah give you a vision of your torture in the hereafter, maybe that will knock some sense into u……..and then make you a true Muslim and repent Inshallah,……

    for the soldiers……..study the history of your country, every rescension, every war, every ailment is a creation of your own, a specific agenda that is in place, that the EVEN THE GOVERNMENT IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR< THEY ARE MERELY SCAPEGOATS, PUPPETS ON STRINGS THAT READ OUT WHAT THEY HAVE BEEN GIVEN BY PEOPLE OF THE HIDDEN GOVERNMENT.

    Then you will realise that you being there is a joke, thats why some people on here find you insulting, rude, patronising, abnoxios and most of all IGNORANT as you are blind to the agenda, you being there makes u part of the agenda so my sincere advice to you is educate yourself and then others and leave Iraq, and who knows the next I.E.D that goes off could take you and your team out….and do you really wana die like a disbeliever?

    Love to all……….a friend from the UK

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