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Tasawwuf Rises in Saudi Arabia – Mawlid 2006 in Jeddah, KSA

  • Author: MR
  • Filed under: Islam, Video
  • Date: Nov 23,2006 | 11:25 PM

All I have to say is, Allah hu Akbar! May Allah (swt) strengthen tasawwuf in Saudi Arabia! Ameen!

Here is the video clip of some Sufis in Jeddah reciting some dhikr in the Jeddah Mawlid:

Here are more video clips (a little bit better quality):


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  • 80 Responses for "Tasawwuf Rises in Saudi Arabia – Mawlid 2006 in Jeddah, KSA"

    1. Salman November 23rd, 2006 at 11:54 pm

      I LOVE you AMIR *muah*

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    3. shab November 24th, 2006 at 12:47 am

      MY LORD!!!save us & guide us towards the true methods of worshipping Allah swt and praising Prophet pbuh.

    4. Mujahideen Ryder November 24th, 2006 at 3:00 am

      shab on November 24, 2006 at 12:47 am said:

      MY LORD!!!save us & guide us towards the true methods of worshipping Allah swt and praising Prophet pbuh.

      Alhamdulillah! InshaAllah Allah will answer our duas. This is proof he has for me! :-D

      Ya Allah increase the love for You and Your Beloved Messenger, Habibulllah in the entire world! Ameen!

    5. Al-Hanbali November 24th, 2006 at 10:19 am

      Asalamu aleykum wa rahmat Allahi wa barakatuhu

      A3uthu bellah how bizarre !
      Sufism has been in Saudi before and after the najdi da3wa, what vedios you see are underground gatherings just like the underground gatherings of expats and the westernized lots having parties and getting drunk. And the participants of these bid3a gatherings are not originally Saudi usually Yemeni immigrants and the south Asian expats

      Subhan Allah, you pray for things the companions of our prophet sallah Allahu 3alayhi wa sallam didn’t celebrate, and if there was any good in it they would have done it before we even thought about it.

      we seek refuge in Allah of being misguided on knowledge.

    6. Mujahideen Ryder November 24th, 2006 at 10:33 am

      Al-Hanbali on November 24, 2006 at 10:19 am said:

      Asalamu aleykum wa rahmat Allahi wa barakatuhu

      A3uthu bellah how bizarre !
      Sufism has been in Saudi before and after the najdi da3wa, what vedios you see are underground gatherings just like the underground gatherings of expats and the westernized lots having parties and getting drunk. And the participants of these bid3a gatherings are not originally Saudi usually Yemeni immigrants and the south Asian expats

      Subhan Allah, you pray for things the companions of our prophet sallah Allahu 3alayhi wa sallam didn’t celebrate, and if there was any good in it they would have done it before we even thought about it.

      we seek refuge in Allah of being misguided on knowledge.

      First of all. There are plenty of Saudi born and Saudi sufis from generations ago.

      Second of all. Tasawwuf’s influence in Saudi would do the whole Muslim land a HUGE favor, especially if the government of Saudi was kind to the scholars of tasawwuf instead of making takfir on them so much.

      Third of all. The najdi daw3a is like the khawarij. That’s all I have to say for that.

      Fourth of all. Once it’s on YouTube, it ain’t underground anymore. Allah hu Akbar! Allah hu Akbar!

      May Allah (swt) increase the ulema of tasawwuf and true Islam in Saudi Arabia. Ameen!

      May Allah (swt) increase the love for Allah and the love for the Prophet Muhammad Habibullah Nabiullah salallahualyhiwasalam. Ameen!

      May Allah (swt) grant us all jannatul firdous. Ameen!

    7. Mujahideen Ryder November 24th, 2006 at 10:34 am

      Oh yeah, to “Al-Hanbali”:

      I see that your hanbali, or your name says it. Check out a compliation of Hanbali Sufis.

    8. Soraya November 24th, 2006 at 12:05 pm

      Assalaamualaikum,
      wait a moment…isn’t Mawlid Bid’ah?

    9. Bint Muhammad November 24th, 2006 at 3:42 pm

      Mashalah nice to see this, remainds be slightly of the shadhilis.

      soraya – there is a difference of opinion on the matter, actaully there isn’st a difference of opinion, All the ahla sunnah wa jama’ scholars believe it is premissible, however some scholars prohibit it since in some areas in the world MAJORITY of the time it is mixed with ignorance and haram, but if it is celebrated with true intentions and no unlawful act is added to the worship, it is a praiseworthy ibadah
      hope that helps.
      [correct me if I am wrong ppl, but that is my knowledge on the matter and I consider it to be souond]

      ws

    10. Ahmad November 24th, 2006 at 10:58 pm

      what is Tasawwuf?? and what exactly is the problem with it in Saudi arabia?

    11. DXB_Muslim November 24th, 2006 at 11:53 pm

      All praise is to the one who protects us from bid’a. (Alhamdulillah ellathee afaana)

      I heard a quote that was attributed to Omar ibn Al-Khattab -May Allah be pleased with him-:
      “Don’t ask the people of bid’a about their bid’a, for they have prepared an answer for that. But ask them about the sunnah.”

      What is seen in the above videos is NOT the Sunnah of our Beloved Messenger -peace be upon him-.

    12. Aysha November 25th, 2006 at 12:50 pm

      Al-Hanbali on November 24, 2006 at 10:19 am said:

      Asalamu aleykum wa rahmat Allahi wa barakatuhu

      A3uthu bellah how bizarre !
      Sufism has been in Saudi before and after the najdi da3wa, what vedios you see are underground gatherings just like the underground gatherings of expats and the westernized lots having parties and getting drunk. And the participants of these bid3a gatherings are not originally Saudi usually Yemeni immigrants and the south Asian expats

      Subhan Allah, you pray for things the companions of our prophet sallah Allahu 3alayhi wa sallam didn’t celebrate, and if there was any good in it they would have done it before we even thought about it.

      we seek refuge in Allah of being misguided on knowledge.

      bring it on brother! ..haha lol Wallahi tht was a joke
      Tasawwuf is the most beautiful practice in Islam!
      ..uhem the Mawlid is not bid’ah some sects (e.g., the Wahhabiyah) consider the celebration to be idolatrous..which is proposterous..why would it be shirk to honour and praise the best of Creation

      Wasalam,
      Aysha

    13. IslamLover November 25th, 2006 at 3:08 pm

      Firstly, you can’t even prove if this is even Saudia, it’s merely hearsay. This could be any where in the world and you can just put any tag you want. And even if it is its irrelevant.
      Secondly, there’s nothing wrong with praising the Prophet(sa) but it has to be within the limits he left in the sunnah. And you should do it everyday and not make a special day of the year like the Christians have done.
      Thirdly, if you actually study the history of the Mawlid it was something which came about in the 7th Hijri by the SHIA FAATIMIDS. So why would you want to follow a tradition of the SHIA??
      A clear sunnah was left by the Prophet and Our Deen was completed as Allah says “This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My Favor upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion.”(5:3) If it was a praiseworthy act out Prophet would have told us, are you then saying he didn’t tell us of something good? So then why are you adding things to an already completed Sunnah???

    14. Hiba Sharif November 25th, 2006 at 4:11 pm

      The Prophet may peace and blessing be upon him said that my Ummah will be split into 73 different sects and only one of those sects will enter paradise. A companion of the prophet asked which sect is the one entering Jannah he said those who follow the Quran and Sunnah (authentic Hadith).
      I know Sufis mean well, most of my families were Sufi =] However, we shouldn’t over praise the Prophet pbuh like the Christians do to Jesus AS. The Prophet never said celebrate my birthday and I belive that the “mawalid” was invented years after the Prophets death (I have no daleel at the moment but I’ll get back to you on this). Like Islamlover said our religion is just and perfect its was reveled to make our lives easier for us and not to complicate things. Wallahu Alam

      May we all practice Islam the way it was reveled to us from our beloved Prophet Muhammad PBUH. May the Quran and the teaching of the prophet satisfy our nuffs.

      I would just advise people to stay away from matters that which are disputed amongst, to stay on the safe side. Just my humble opinion =]

      Asalamu Alykum!

    15. Aysha November 25th, 2006 at 5:33 pm

      Salamu Alaykum!

      this video’s really nice as well..its the shadhilli tariqat with Shaykh Abd al-rahman al-Shaghouri

      http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=6454698351749789798&q=hadrah

      ..enjoy!

      Wasalam,
      Aysha

    16. Taalibah al Ilm November 25th, 2006 at 5:41 pm

      DXB_Muslim on November 24, 2006 at 11:53 pm said:

      All praise is to the one who protects us from bid’a. (Alhamdulillah ellathee afaana)

      I heard a quote that was attributed to Omar ibn Al-Khattab -May Allah be pleased with him-:
      “Don’t ask the people of bid’a about their bid’a, for they have prepared an answer for that. But ask them about the sunnah.”

      What is seen in the above videos is NOT the Sunnah of our Beloved Messenger -peace be upon him-.

      Allaahu Akbar. Wonderful Hadith!!!

    17. Taalibah al Ilm November 25th, 2006 at 5:42 pm

      Oh, I meant quote. That ain’t a hadith, isn’t it?

    18. islaam4life November 25th, 2006 at 6:30 pm

      SHOULD WE CELEBRATE MAWLID?

      Yes we should celebrate it every year
      And every month and every week
      And every hour and every moment.

      http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=1&ID=508&CATE=2

      May Allah subhanahu wa ta’ala guide to His Pleasure and increase our ilm. ameen
      waslaam

    19. Egyptian Gumbo November 25th, 2006 at 9:14 pm

      yes, mawlid is bidah. if that’s not biddah Then I dont know what is. may Allah guide us all. ameen.

    20. Nihal Khan November 25th, 2006 at 9:43 pm

      ….I don’t understand..why is it every little thing someones sees on the computer screen which they don’t agree on, they start refuting it..

      Br. Mujahideen Ryder knows my opinion on the Mawlid, which is that I don’t support it, but to keep leaving posts saying it’s bid’ah won’t change Br. Mujahideen Ryder’s point of view on this subject.

      One should look at themselves before they start acting like babies and keep themselves engrossed with comments left by college students on a blog. You can’t change a debate which has been going on since the last 600 years over a blog….Go back, and examine YOURSELF!!

    21. Mujahideen Ryder November 25th, 2006 at 10:05 pm

      Ya Nabiii Salaaaaam Alaykaaa

      Ya Rasulll salaaaam alaykaaaa

      ya Habibbb salaaaam alaykaaaa

      Ya Rasulll salaaaam alaykaaaa

      :-D

      thanks for all the comments. keep em coming! ;-D

    22. Mujahideen Ryder November 25th, 2006 at 10:08 pm

      DXB_Muslim on November 24, 2006 at 11:53 pm said:

      All praise is to the one who protects us from bid’a. (Alhamdulillah ellathee afaana)

      I heard a quote that was attributed to Omar ibn Al-Khattab -May Allah be pleased with him-:
      “Don’t ask the people of bid’a about their bid’a, for they have prepared an answer for that. But ask them about the sunnah.”

      What is seen in the above videos is NOT the Sunnah of our Beloved Messenger -peace be upon him-.

      Nice hadith describing the salafis.

    23. egyptian gumbo November 25th, 2006 at 10:14 pm

      Nihal Khan on November 25, 2006 at 9:43 pm said:

      ….I don’t understand..why is it every little thing someones sees on the computer screen which they don’t agree on, they start refuting it..

      Br. Mujahideen Ryder knows my opinion on the Mawlid, which is that I don’t support it, but to keep leaving posts saying it’s bid’ah won’t change Br. Mujahideen Ryder’s point of view on this subject.

      One should look at themselves before they start acting like babies and keep themselves engrossed with comments left by college students on a blog. You can’t change a debate which has been going on since the last 600 years over a blog….Go back, and examine YOURSELF!!

      someone asked if it was bidah in an above comment, so i responded.

    24. egyptian gumbo November 25th, 2006 at 10:15 pm

      Mujahideen Ryder on November 25, 2006 at 10:08 pm said:

      Nice hadith describing the salafis.

      lol nice try.

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    26. muslim November 25th, 2006 at 11:19 pm

      Nihal Khan, it’s all good man. This is a legit discussion. I think it’s ok to state our opinion on this, yes even on this blog. As long as we are respectful toward one another, which so far everyone has, no one is insulting one another and such, then it should be ok.

    27. AminLamin November 26th, 2006 at 3:00 am

      Rabiya Sali A’la Mustafaka Maan A’la
      Allahuma Sali Waa Sali Wabarik Alaaa sayida Muhamed
      Ya habiballahi Ya Rasullahi Kalabash haba humatalilahi

      Thats wat some sufis were chanting at my sisters wedding in somalia. In the part of Somlia-ethio Im from during the Mawlid there are lights every where. People are celebrating, Praises of the prophet is on the radios. Great times man , great times.

      Not that I support the mawlid or anything :I

    28. Nihal Khan November 26th, 2006 at 1:39 pm

      muslim on November 25, 2006 at 11:19 pm said:

      Nihal Khan, it’s all good man. This is a legit discussion. I think it’s ok to state our opinion on this, yes even on this blog. As long as we are respectful toward one another, which so far everyone has, no one is insulting one another and such, then it should be ok.

      It’s not that, many times, people start calling each other names, etc. i remember one of Br. Mujahideen Ryder’s post someone didn’t like, they started calling him Munafiqeen ryder etc. One time a brother made dua for people in support of an issue which this one brothewr didnt like and started making dua so those brothers go to hell….may Allah (SWT) save us and guide us all…Ameen

    29. Sal November 26th, 2006 at 7:23 pm

      Mawlid was started by the Fatimiyya who also started the grave worship that you still see in Egypt today. Fortunately for us Salahuddin came and destroyed their deviant empire but still their effects still linger on. As for “sufis” in saudi its no surprise that america is probably behind this because they beleive that ascetics like these will stay clear of american imperialism and israeli hegemony in the region.

    30. Mujahideen Ryder November 26th, 2006 at 7:32 pm

      Sal on November 26, 2006 at 7:23 pm said:

      Mawlid was started by the Fatimiyya who also started the grave worship that you still see in Egypt today. Fortunately for us Salahuddin came and destroyed their deviant empire but still their effects still linger on. As for “sufis” in saudi its no surprise that america is probably behind this because they beleive that ascetics like these will stay clear of american imperialism and israeli hegemony in the region.

      LOL, Salahudeen (may Allah bless him) was a supporter of tasawwuf, he highly resepcted Imam al Ghazzali (may Allah be pleased with him), who was on the path of tasawwuf, with his teachings and books. Imam al Ghazzali represented true tasawwuf at that time.

      But you are right, the Fatimid dynasty were pretty corrupt, regardless of the way they practiced Islam. They were corrupt politicians.

    31. Bint Muhammad November 27th, 2006 at 9:46 am

      Subhanallah!!!

      I dont want to ‘diss’ others over their views, but I mean, we should ‘get our facts right’ before we actally have a go at someone else.

      Now I think a good place to start would be http://www.sunnipath.com
      http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=1&ID=508&CATE=2

      And if ppl dont agree with the mawlid, fair enough no ones telling you to join in. so back off, relax and accept the fact that there is a diffference of opinion in Islam, and difference of opinion is a mercy upon us from Allah swt.

      Peace out

    32. Imran November 28th, 2006 at 1:40 am

      Hurrah Hurrah! to the words of Bint Muhammad! = )

    33. ali November 28th, 2006 at 1:44 pm

      Hiba Sharif on November 25, 2006 at 4:11 pm said:

      The Prophet may peace and blessing be upon him said that my Ummah will be split into 73 different sects and only one of those sects will enter paradise. A companion of the prophet asked which sect is the one entering Jannah he said those who follow the Quran and Sunnah (authentic Hadith).
      I know Sufis mean well, most of my families were Sufi =] However, we shouldn’t over praise the Prophet pbuh like the Christians do to Jesus AS. The Prophet never said celebrate my birthday and I belive that the “mawalid” was invented years after the Prophets death (I have no daleel at the moment but I’ll get back to you on this). Like Islamlover said our religion is just and perfect its was reveled to make our lives easier for us and not to complicate things. Wallahu Alam

      May we all practice Islam the way it was reveled to us from our beloved Prophet Muhammad PBUH. May the Quran and the teaching of the prophet satisfy our nuffs.

      I would just advise people to stay away from matters that which are disputed amongst, to stay on the safe side. Just my humble opinion =]

      Asalamu Alykum!

      We shouldn’t over praise the Prophet (pbuh)?

      Allah Himself has praised the Prophet.

      Therefore how can any praise from us ever be enough?

      There is absolutely no limit on praise that can be sent to the Prophet (pbuh).

      Mowlaya sali wa salim da iman abadan
      ala habibika khairil khalqi kulli himi,
      ameen.

    34. Imad Ul Haq December 2nd, 2006 at 12:34 am

      Not all Bid’ah is bad, according to most of the greatest scholars of our faith, Imam Shaafi Says:

      IMAM SHAFI’S EXPLANATION OF THE ABOVE HADITH:
      Kullu bida’tin daiala: “Every innovation is a misguidance”? Doesn’t the term “every” include all innovations?” Such an objection stems from the misinterpretation of the term kull (“every”) in the Hadith to be all encompassing without exception, whereas in Arabic it may mean “Nearly all” or “the vast majority.” This is how al-Shafi’i understood it or else he would have never allowed for any innovation whatsoever to be considered good, and he is considered a hujja or “Proof,” that is, reference without peer for questions regarding the Arabic language. The stylistic figure of meaning the part by the whole, or nechdoche in English is in Arabic: ‘abbara ‘an al-kathratf bi at-kulliyya. This is illustrated by the use of kull in the following verse 46:25 of the Quran in a selective or partial sense not a universal sense:
      “Destroying all things by commandment of its Lord. And morning found them so that naught could be seen save their dwellings”. Thus, the dwellings were not destroyed although “all” things had been destroyed. “All” here means specifically the lives of the unbelievers of ‘Ad and their properties except their houses.

      ARE THERE GOOD OR BAD INNOVATIONS IN ISLAM?
      Prophetic saying as stated in Sahih Muslim is known even to common Muslims, let alone scholars: “He who inaugurates a good practice (sanna fil-islam sunnatun hasana) in Islam earns the reward of it, and of all who perform it after him, without diminishing their own rewards in the least. ” Tirmizi, Page 92.

      Imam Nawawi said in Sahih Muslim (6-21):
      “The Prophet’s saying ‘every innovation is a general-particular and it is a reference to most innovations. The linguists say, ‘Innovation is any act done without a previous pattern, and it is of five different kinds.”‘ Imam Nawawi also said in Tahzeeb al Asma’wal Sifaat, “Innovation in religious law is to originate anything which did not exist during the time of the Prophet, and it is divided into good and bad.” He also said, “al-muhdathat (pi. for muhdatha) is to originate something that has no roots in religious law. In the tradition of religious law, it is called innovation, and if it has an origin within the religious law, then it is not innovation. Innovation in religious law is disagreeable, unlike in the language where everything that has been originated without a previous pattern is called innovation regardless of whether it is good or bad.”

      And what does Allah say about Dhikr gatherings?

      What does the Quran say about Dhiker in gatherings’?
      “Those men and women who engage much in Allah’s praise. For them has Allah prepared forgiveness and a great reward.” (33:35)
      “Those who remember their Lord standing, and sitting, and lying on their sides” (3:191)
      ” Men whom neither traffic nor merchandise can divert from Remembrance of Allah nor from regular Salaat, nor from regular practice of Zakaat. (24:37)
      “Those who believe, and whose hearts find comfort in the remembrance of Allah! Aye! It is in the remembrance of Allah that hearts can find comfort;” (13: 28)

      What about Hadith?

      What do the Hadith say about Dhiker in gatherings?
      Hadith Qudsi: “Those that remember Me in their heart, I remember them in My heart; and those that remember Me in a gathering, I remember them (i.e. make mention of them) in a gathering better than theirs. (This can include recitation of Quran, Durood (Salat-o-Salaam) and other Dhiker Allah)
      In Bukhari and Muslim: The Prophet (Peace be upon him) said that Allah has angels roaming the roads to find the people of dhikr, i.e. those who say La ltaha ltiabah and similar expressions, and when they find a group of people (Qaom) reciting dhikr, they call each other and encompass them in layers until the first heaven — the location of which is in Allah’s knowledge. (This is to say, an unlimited number of angels are going to be over that group
      Ibn ‘Umar reported that the Prophet (Peace be upon him) said: “When you pass by the gardens of Paradise, avail yourselves of them.” The Companions asked: “What are the gardens of Paradise, 0 Messenger of Allah?” He replied: “The circles of dhikr. There are roaming angels of Allah who go about looking for the circles of dhikr, and when they rind them they surround them closely.” Tirmidhi narrated it (Hasan Gharib) and Ahmad.

      Abu Sa’id Al-Khudri and Abu Huraira reported that the Prophet (Peace be upon him) said, “When any group of men remember Allah, angels surround them and mercy covers them, tranquility descends upon them, and Allah mentions them to those who are with Him.” Narrated by Muslim, Tirmidhi, Ahmad, lbn Majah, and Bayhaqi.

      Is praising Prophet (s.a.w) allowed? Yes. Is gathering for Dhikr allowed? Yes. Bring us scholars that are as great as Imam Nawawi and Imam Shaafi with a different opinion, and I will believe otherwise. By the way, If you compile the Salafi scholars all together, and compare them to just Imam Shaafi and Imam Nawawi, they have not done even a centimeter in comparison to what Imam Shaafi and Imam Nawawi have done, and they understood Arabic better then everyone here, and probably every scholar alive today, so if a Wahaabi wants to come here and give me some real proof, not just the hadith, but the hadith interpretation from a respected scholar, I will respect the opinion that this is Bid’ah, if not please leave your egos at the door and listen to how much they are praising Prophet (s.a.w). May Allah increase our love for him!

    35. Abdul Sattar December 2nd, 2006 at 2:30 am

      assalamu alaikum,

      Why does everyone think not agreeing with the videos above automatically constitutes salafism and anti-spirituality????

      The best spirituality is found with one’s forehead on the ground, not rocking with a drum. Someone who disagrees with the second approach should not be ridiculed, for verily none of the Sahabah, or the four Imams, is known or reported to have taken part in any of the types of gatherings whose videos have been posted – rahmatullah alayhim ajma’een.

      All of us need to grow up.
      —–

      Amr ibn salmah said: We used to sit in front of Abdullah Ibn Masoud’s house before the Fajr prayer, so that when he came out we would go with him to the Masjid. [One Day] Abu Musa al-Ash’aaree came and asked us: “Did Abu Abdur Rahmaan (Ibn Masoud) leave yet?” We answered: “No.”

      So Abu Musa al-Ash’aaree sat with us waiting for him. When he came out, we all stud up. Abu Musa told him: “Oh, Abu Abdur Rahmaan! I recently saw something in the Masjid which I deemed to be evil, but all praise is for Allah, I did see anything except good ” Ibn Masoud then asked: “What was it?”

      Abu Musa said: “You will see it if you stay alive. In the Masjid, I saw a group of people sitting in circles waiting for the Salah. Each circle is led by a person. And every person in these circles carries small stones. The leader of a circle would say ‘Say Allahu Akbar one hundred times’ so they would repeat Allahu Akbar a hundred times; then he says ‘Say Laa ilaaha illallaah, one hundred times’ so they would say Laa ilaaha illallaah a hundred times; then he would say ‘Say Subhaanallah one hundred times’, they will say Subhana Allah a hundred times.”

      Then Ibn Masoud said: “What did you tell them?” He said: “I didn’t say anything, I waited to hear your opinion.”
      Abdullah Ibn Masoud said: “Could you not order them to count their evil deeds, and assured them of getting their rewards.”

      Then Abdullah Ibn Masoud went ahead and we accompanied him. As he approached one of the circles, he said: “What is this that you are doing?”
      They said: “Oh! Abu Abdur Rahmaan, these are pebbles to count the number of times we say Allahu Akbar, La ilaaha Illallah, and Subhaanallah.”

      He said: “Count your evil deeds, and I assure you that you are not going to lose anything of your rewards (Hasanat). Woe unto you, people of Muhammad[saw], how quickly you go to destruction! Those are your Prophet’s companions available, these are his clothes not worn out yet, and his pots are not broken yet. I swear by Whom my soul is in His Hands that you are either following a religion that is better than the Prophet’s religion or you are opening a door of misguidance.” They said: “We swear by Allah Almighty, oh, Abu Abdur Rahmaan, that we had no intention other than doing good deeds.” He said: “So what? How many people wanted to do good deeds but failed to achieve it? The Prophet of Allah[saw] has told us about people who recited the Qur’an with no effect on them other than the Qur’an passing through their throats.”

      ibn Salmah (the sub narrator) then mentioned that on the day of Nahrawaan, there was not one person amongst them who wasn’t amongst the Khawaarij.

      Reported by ad-Daarimee in his Sunan (1/79). Authenticated by Saleem al-Hilaalee (pp. 26-29).

    36. Abdul Sattar December 2nd, 2006 at 2:35 am

      1. The above comment is not about tasbih (prayer beads). If thats why you think I posted it – it has nothing to do with the issue.

      2. It’s something to make us think for a second inshAllah, thats all.

      3. Here is an idea. I love the Prophet (saw). I want to celebrate his birthday. In fact – I’d like to celebrate it the way his best friends in the WHOLE world, Abu Bakr and Umar celebrated it. I wonder if they did anything like the above videos show.

      wAllahu a’lam

    37. Bilal December 2nd, 2006 at 9:25 am

      SubanAllah what a coolness my eyes felt after watching these remarkabale videos, for all those in pain after watching these vidoes of celebration of the milad of the holy prophet may salaam be upon them, You remind me of what the shataan did when the holy prophet may salaam be upon them was borned HE SCREAMED

    38. Abdul Sattar December 2nd, 2006 at 8:55 pm

      Bilal. Akhi that was uncalled for.
      It is not in the adab of our Messenger (saw) to compare believers to Shaitan. I don’t know what blessing is recieved from such comments.

    39. AbdelRahman December 3rd, 2006 at 12:12 am

      May Allah show us truth as truth, and falsehood as falsehood.

      Simple, just look and see if Abu Bakr, Omar, Uthmaan, or Ali banged a daff on the Prophet[saw]‘s birthday.

      It did not happen the first 500 hundred years of Islam, there was nothing called the Mawlid. Either we’re smarter than the early Muslims, or love the Prophet[saw] more than they did. Origination of the Mawlid starts in Egypt, with the Fatimeh dynasty, led to Ismaili dynasty. (Aghakhaans came from Ismailis). The Fatimehs were the first group to celebrate the Mawlid of not only the Prophet, but Ali, Fatima, Hassan, Hussain, and a Zoroastrian saint. This then spread to Tajikistan, one of the sufi monasteries of that city began celebrating it. When the leader of that city found out, he thought it was a good idea and made it a national holiday.
      It is just copying Christmas. The date of birth of the Prophet[saw] is not known exactly. Almost always has exaggeration.

      Probably best to stay away, insha Allah.

    40. Talha December 3rd, 2006 at 3:18 pm

      I have just read all of this. Mawlad Celebrations of the Pride of Creation, the Jewel of Creation, Sayyiddina Muhammad (Sallallaho alaihi wassallim), is by far one of the highest forms of optional worship that a True Believer can do.

      What is wrong with you people who watch such Zikr gatherings with pain and hate? Have you assessed your ownselves, before you say Bidat this and Bidat that.

      Hazrat Abu Bakr Siddique (Razi Allah Ta’ala Anho) committed the most BEAUTIFUL Bidat EVER!
      He COMPILED the Holy Glorious Qur’an in “paper-form.” Ask yourselves, what? This wasn’t a Bidat? YES IT WAS.

      It is called, Bidat-al-Hasana. The one that brings great reward.

      You Wahabbi/Salafis have no respect for the Holy Men of God mentioned in the Qur’an, NOR do you have the respect, and more specifically the LOVE for the Holy Prophet (Sallallaho Alaihi Wassallim)you NEED to perfect your Iman.

      Think deeply about what I said, and STOP BEING JEALOUS of our Ahle Sunnah Wal Jammah’s TRUE LOVE for the Holy Prophet (Sallallaho Alaihi Wassalim)!

      You don’t even consider the Beloved of God as Holy. Otherwise, you would be writing and singing songs of praises and love about him, Sallallaho Alaihi Wassallim.

      ALLAHO AKBAR for the True Believers, may ALLAH protect our Iman and keep us intact until our final day here, ameen.

      Brother Mujahideen Ryder – Stay strong always.

      ALLAHUMA SALLE ALA SAYYIDINA MUHAMMADIN WA’ALA ALE SAYYIDINA MUHAMMADIN WA BARIK WASSALLIM!

    41. AbdelRahman December 3rd, 2006 at 5:53 pm

      ASA,

      Brother Talha, you are sorely mistaken.

      Abu Bakr began compiling the Quran, Uthmaan finished it. The reason why it was compiled was not a sort of extra act of worship that wasn’t defined by the Prophet[saw]. Rather, it was to protect the true and authentic word from being altered.

      Also, we know the Quran had to be compiled, because Allah[swt] refers to it as “al-kitaab,” meaning that it is not an innovation, because Allah had already decreed that it be a book.

      You really read my history of the mawlid? If you’re ok with celebrating a Ismaili holiday, hey man, go for it.

      I’m not gonna risk doing something that the Prophet[saw]‘s CLOSEST companions didn’t do. I’d much rather show my love for Allah and Muhammad[saw] by praying to Allah more and by doing things that the Prophet[saw] did that were authentic. That’s just me, though.

    42. Abdul Sattar December 3rd, 2006 at 8:03 pm

      Yo MR – alot of brothers are accusing others of not loving the Prophet or having hate, just because they don’t believe they don’t celebrate the mawlid.

      I think it is your responsibility to put an end to those accusations or advise others to do so.

      Its anti-Sunnah, and its disgusting that we become so emotional and hateful over these issues. And then we ask why we aren’t united. Acknowledge as a difference of opinion and let it go.

    43. AbdelRahman December 3rd, 2006 at 9:52 pm

      agreed.

    44. Bilal December 4th, 2006 at 5:41 am

      Abdul Sattar and Abdel Rehman you seem to think if the ‘closest companions’ to the holy prophet may salaam be upon them dont do something then automatically that thing isnt allowed. This principle its self is very evil biddaa. Here are some examples of thing which neither the holy prophet may salaam be upon them did nor did his companions may Allah be pleased with him yet you dont call them bidda?

      1. The format of 6 kalimas as present today

      2. Building Islamic schools as present today

      3. writing books of hadith as present today

      4. writing books of tafsir as present today

      5. Having Islamic confrences as present today

      6. Performing Hajj on planes etc

      7. EVEN YOU USING THE INTERNET RIGHT NOW IS SOMETHING WHICH NEITHER THE HOLY PROPHET MAY SALAAM BE UPON THEM NOR HIS COMPANIONS MAY ALLAH BE PLEASED WITH THEM DID?

    45. Abdul Sattar December 4th, 2006 at 2:51 pm

      Brother Bilal,
      Assalamu Alaikum,

      I know it is alot easier for you to just clump both of us into the “ignorant salafi” camp who scream bidah on everything and then enlighten us on the development of the Shari’ah and the writing of our tradition – than to understand that perhaps we are quite, quite traditional ourselves, but simply don’t give much importance to THIS particular way of celebrating the birthday of the Prophet (saw) that has developed in some cultures of the Islamic world.

      Alhamdulillah, you are correct in all that you have written concerning the way that Islamic sciences developed. And alhamdulillah I agree with you that just because the Prophet and companions didn’t so something, does NOT make it bid’ah. It is the weight/position we give to an act and where we attempt to classify it which CAN make something an innovation.

      Example:
      A1. Internet use by itself – Permissible – mubah in the Shari’ah.
      A2. Internet use by one claiming/believing it is FARD/SUNNAH/MUSTAHAB to have a connection and that a Muslim who doesn’t have internet is “lacking in Iman” – bidah

      B1. GE Light bulbs – Permissible in Shariah
      B2. GE Light bulbs used by one who believes they are fard/sunnah and one who does not use them is “lacking in Iman” – Bidah.

      With this, we must understand, that since the Mawlid does not exist as a celebration from our Fiqh ul Ibaadaat – please do not claim that one who does not celebrate it through singing is “lacking in Iman”. Mawlid is not a pillar of Iman, nor a fard/sunnah act of worship to claim such a terrible thing upon our beloved brothers and sisters. Let us acknowledge this issue as a difference of opinion and let it go. If you want to celebrate it by singing, fine. If you don’t, fine. But don’t make claims on each other’s Iman and don’t declare it to be his Sunnah.

      Let us remember that we ARE united in love for the Prophet (saw) and we all dream to drink from his hand from the fountain of Kawthar. Some of us may sing about him on his birthday, and others may decide it is better to simply learn more about him on that day, and others simply send salawat upon him everyday regardless of the calendar. Let imagine ourselves sitting in his company in Jannah, all of us, asking him about Taif, and touching the feet that bled so the message could spread.

      Let us do the best we can to follow the Sunnah of loving him, loving the Muslims, and loving Allah (swt) rather than argue about these things.

      We seek refuge from the evil of our own selves and from the evil of Shaitaan.
      wa alaikum assalam

    46. Mujahideen Ryder December 4th, 2006 at 3:36 pm

      Asalamualykum everyone

      Forgive me for all the stress this post has caused.

      I’d like to make clear that people say Mawlid is wrong and people say it is right.

      I say it can be right and it can be wrong. It can be wrong when it involves clearly haram actions. It can be right when it is simply doing it everyday sending salams opon the beloved Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) in the morning or evening or whenever.

      The Mawlid is not fard or sunnah. It is not from the Qur’an and Sunnah directly. So it is not required for every Muslim do to do. So those who support the mawlid should not force it on them.

      A person who does the mawlid and does not are the same. There is no difference.

      There are many sufis that do not do the mawlid, but they do not condemn it. They just don’t believe in it like others do.

      FINALLY, I personally don’t accept all forms of the Mawlid, BUT the point of this post was to show the RISE OF TASAWWUF IN SAUDI ARABIA.

      That’s all.

      Ma’salama
      -MR

    47. Talha December 4th, 2006 at 8:20 pm

      Brother Mujahedeen,
      Where’s the Lion inside you? Your name should read your heart, and brother, you have said one line I do not agree with which has upset me.

      “A person who does the mawlid and does not are the same. There is no difference.”

      NO THEY ARE NOT THE SAME.

      There is a huge difference, the distance of mountains. NAFFALLI (optional worship) is of extra value and reward to ALL Muslims. Anyone who optionally wants to bless and sing the holy daroods upon the Holy Prophet (Sallallaho Alaihi Wassallim) in a blessed gathering of the holy men of GOD will most DEFINATELY receive a GREAT REWARD insha’ALLAH.

      Don’t let these people push you to be neutral because of you might be losing a “few friends.” You need to stay strong on your correct belief.

      Mawlad is NOT Farz. But it is one of the most beautiful acts of gatherings True Muslims can do to express their love for their Beloved Holy Prophet (Sallallaho alaihi wassallim). This is how you express your true love, through poems, and songs of praise and love, and salutatins and blessings from the Almighty.

      Just because “some” Sufi’s don’t agree with it doesn’t make it bidah, or haram, etc etc. The majority of the Sufi’s do enjoy the blessed feeling at Mawlad, and celebrate with great happiness and love.

      Only a True Believer can imagine and begin to comprehend the true status of the Holy Prophet (Sallallaho alaihi wassallim), and once they do, they will realise that out of the rules of Islam, they will make it FARZ upon themselves to love the Beloved of ALLAH (Sallallaho alaihi wassallim) so much that they must write something of their love and sing it, or simply even read it, and imagine they are in the Beloved Prophet’s (Sallallaho alaihi wassallim) blessed holy presence while he is listening with his blessed ears.

      ALLAH HO AKBAR, may ALLAH keep the true believers’ hearts glowing and shining for their leader, their master, their Nabi of Mercy, the Mercy to the Worlds (Sallallaho alaihi wassallim).

      If ALLAH (SUBHANA WATA’ALA)is the ALMIGHTY and MOST MERCIFUL. Why is the mercy of HIS Beloved (Sallallaho alaihi wassallim) needed by the world….?

      Because the MERCY of ALLAH (SUBHANA WATA’ALA) is derived from HIS limitless love for HIS HABEEB (Sallallaho alaihi wassallim), because HE CREATED the whole of CREATION just for the SAKE OF HIS BELOVED (Sallalaho alahi wassallim).

      All of you who are still confused, understand this HAQQ (TRUTH/REALITY) I have told you, and grow your love for your Prophet (Sallallaho alaihi wassallim) you belong to, before it’s too late.

      ALLAHUMA SALLE ALA SAYYIDINA MUHAMMADIN WA’ALA ALE SAYYIDINA MUHAMMADIN WA BARIK WASSALLIM!

    48. Abdul Sattar December 4th, 2006 at 8:54 pm

      My dear brother Talha and all those who have felt any anger here,

      Assalamu Alaikum.

      May Allah bring love between our hearts and remove the ghilla that has been placed between us that causes us to make faraq between each other over what Rasulullah (saw) did not make faraq with. May Allah’s mercy and blessings be upon him always, regardless of what we say or do not say, regardless of our singing or not singing – may peace be upon him always. May Allah allow us to love Him and His Messenger.

      May Allah allow us to see each other as true believers and not rule each other out from being true believers because we do not agree on all things. May Allah bless you in your expression of your love for the Prophet (saw) by your intention and make it a means of granting the Prophet’s shifa’ for you and me, as I am your brother, on the Day of Judgement. Allah is the one to accept and reject, not the people, and He is powerful over all things.

      I love you for the sake of Allah Brother Talha. Since the Prophet said: “Ad-Deenu an-Nasihatu” – The Religion is Nasihah, I do have a small piece of Nasihah as your brother. Please sit with a scholar (whomever is pleasing to you), and learn from him the principles of fiqh and the history of the Shari’ah. There can be no harm in such a pursuit inshAllah.

      If you are already doing this as a student of knowledge at the feet of a scholar, may Allah increase you in your knowledge and make you a source of guidance for people. Make dua for me inshAllah that Allah corrects any faults I may have and helps me in my studies in deen as well.

      This’ll be my last word on that inshAllah.

      jazakAllah khair wa alaikum assalam
      Abdul Sattar

    49. Mujahideen Ryder December 4th, 2006 at 11:00 pm

      Asalamualykum bro Talha

      Please see http://www.SunniForum.com for the discussions of the Mawlid and read some SunniPath fatwas, you will see that there is a dominant majority opinion of the tasawwuf ulema of the indo-pak continent that do not celebrate the mawlid.

      there is a difference of opinion amongst the ulema of tasawwuf. we have to respect this and understand it.

      i still stand by my statement saying a muslim doing the mawlid is not better then a muslim who doesn’t do it.

      remember “differences are a blessing and mercy from Allah”

    50. Doa December 5th, 2006 at 2:09 am

      Too many people misunderstand the concept of bidah. There is no bidah in natural acts. The bidah comes when you think you’re getting some great reward for something the Prophet pbuh and his companions, did not do/teach. I hate it when you logically explain a matter to be bidah, and people jump on you about everything you do being bidah (the clothes you wear,the food we eat,etc. as the prophet pbuh didn’t wear/eat/etc. these things.) lol if that was really what bidah was, HOW RIDICULOUS WOULD THAT BE? And SubhanAllah, we all know Islam is a religion of ease and of LOGIC.
      Just like someone explained, jumping isn’t bidah. You could be jumping as a form of exercise, joy, etc. But jumping and thinking that Allah swt will be pleased with this and that you’re attaining reward for it…that’s bidah. So please don’t compare things like the compilation of tafsir books to what is being discussed, because there was an obvious purpose in this, and in the other things, it wasn’t purely for reward!
      But anyway, how is there anything wrong with Brother MR’s statement that a muslim doing the mawlid is no better than a muslim not doing it? Even if you believe the mawlid is a wonderful thing, it still doesn’t mean it makes the celebrater BETTER! Just like a hijabi is no better than a nonhijabi, a charity giver no better than a non charity giver…WHY?! Because we do not see what is inside one’s heart!! Are hijab and alms giving required, and also beautiful? YES. But that doesn’t mean we can deem anything or anyone to be BETTER…for Allah, and ONLY ALLAH swt, is the judge of hearts. Perhaps i give 5,000 in charity, but I am actually a trillionaire eating off of gold plates. And perhaps someone else gives 50 cents in charity, but they have no food to eat, no shelter, nothing. Can i say i am the better muslim because i gave more?
      If you are celebrating the mawlid by avoiding bidah and haraam things, purely because you love RasulAllah saws and you wish to express this love and be around people who are expressing it, that is fine. But if you decide not to because you don’t think it is something RasulAllah saws would have liked or appreciated, that is also fine. Both feelings express love for RasulAllah saws…and neither is lesser.
      I’m sorry if i was offensive to anyone, but this arrogance we all have based on a few hadith we learn is truly traumatic to our ummah. Insha Allah let us learn to come together and love one another first and foremost before criticism. And when we have advice for our brother or sister, let us learn the proper way of giving it–the least hostile, most loving way insha Allah. And i say that first to myself as shaitan often takes control of me and makes me angry at things i don’t agree with. But we just have to recognize that that is SHAITAN! Differences in opinions should be discussed, but only when people know the proper way to discuss them.
      Assalaamualaikum

    51. Talha December 5th, 2006 at 6:20 pm

      Masha’ALLAH,

      Brother Abdul Sattar and Doa, ALLAH SUBHANA WATA’ALA bless you for such uniting comments which I definately agree with. I am not perfect, and yes I am learning, but from what I said, if one was to understand the meaning behind it, he would see it is simply straightforward.

      Hazrat ABU BAKR SIDDIQUE (Razi ALLAH ta’ala anho) at a specific time kissed his two thumbs and put them on his eyes. The Holy Prophet (Sallallaho alaihi wassallim) replied, “If any of my followers, my Ummati’s will do what you have done, their sins will be cleansed.”

      Yet still today many people claim this to be bidah, when it is supported by a Hadith Shareef.

      Sorry if I upset anyone, may ALLAH ALMIGHTY unite our hearts as ONE.

      ALLAHUMA SALLE ALA SAYYIDINA MUHAMMADIN WA’ALA ALE SAYYIDINA MUHAMMADIN WA BARIK WASSALLIM!

    52. Khalid Sharif January 21st, 2007 at 12:27 am

      “And who is more astray than one who calls on (invokes) besides Allaah, such as will not answer him till the Day of Resurrection, and who are (even) unaware of their calls (invocations) to them?”

      [al-Ahqaaf 46:5]

    53. Khalid Sharif January 21st, 2007 at 12:29 am

      And the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said to Ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allaah be pleased with him): “If you ask, then ask of Allaah, and if you seek help, then seek the help of Allaah.” Narrated by al-Tirmidhi (2516); classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Sunan al-Tirmidhi.

    54. Saif April 2nd, 2007 at 2:00 pm

      I only want to say that only and only ask Allah to help us walk on straight path of Islam.

      Dont fight with eachother , where u have differece of opinion ask Allah to make our feet strong on what is the truth and what is best amen , read , research and remember if you search for the truth Allah will guide you to the truth, but if you already decide then christians or jews or evryother false religions also feel and belive they are true. so read , research over and over again read all books and keep asking Allah to help you towards the right path of Islam and then you will know yourself whats bidda whats not what to do what not to do. Gain knowlege and remember Knowlege is light and power and inshaAllah ask Allah and Allah will guide to the true path enshaAllah…

      Albaqara- 1-17
      ALLAH in the name of The Most Affectionate, the Merciful.

      Alif-Lam Mim (Individual Letters of Arabic Alphabet).
      That high ranked Book (Quran) whereof there is no place of doubt, in it there is guidance to the God-fearing.
      Who believe without seeing, and establish prayer and spend in Our path, out of Our provided subsistence.
      And who believe in what has been sent down towards you, O beloved prophet! And what has been sent down before you and are convinced of the Last Day.
      They alone are on the guidance from their Lord and they alone are the gainers.
      Surely, as to those who are destined to infidelity, it is alike whether you warn them or warn them not, they will never believe.
      Allah has set a seal on their hearts and on their ears, and over their eyes there is a dark covering, and for them is great torment.
      And some people say, ‘We have believed in Allah and the Last Day’ yet they are not to believe.
      They seek to deceive Allah and the believers, and in fact, they deceive not but their own souls, and they perceive not.
      In their hearts is a disease, so Allah has increased their disease and for them is a painful torment, the recompense of their lies.
      And when it is said to them, create not disorder on the earth, they say, ‘we are but reformats’.
      Be-ware! It is they who are the mischief-makers, but they perceive not.
      And when it is said to them ‘believe as others have believed,’ they say, ‘shall we believe as fools’, believe, Beware! It is they who are the fools, but they do not know.
      And when they meet believers, they say, ‘we believe’, and when they are alone with their devils, they say, ‘we are with you, we are only mocking’.
      Allah mocks at them (Befitting His Dignity) and leaves them to wander about in their contumacy.
      They are those people who purchased error for guidance but their trade earned them no profit, and they indeed knew not the way of trading.
      Their example is like the one who kindled a fire, so when it lit up all around him, Allah took away their light and left them in darkness where nothing is seen.

      and in Albaqara 26 Allah subhawanowatala says
      Surely, Allah not ashamed of describing any thing for illustration, be it a gnat or above it, hence those who accepted faith, they know that it is the truth from their Lord, and those who are disbeliveers they say, “What does Allah mean by such a similitude”. Allah sends astray many by it and guides many and Bends astray those by it who are disobedient

      Remember there are those who Belive , there are those who do not belive and there are those who say by their mouths that they belive but they never really do by their heart and soul and they are the worst of creations.

      and among the best-known of hadiths is the relation of Imam al-Bukhari in which

      Ibn Umar said: ‘The Prophet (s.w.s.) mentioned: “O Allah, give us baraka in our Syria, O Allah, give us baraka in our Yemen.” They said: “And in our Najd?” and he said: “O Allah, give us baraka in our Syria, O Allah, give us baraka in our Yemen.” They said: “And in our Najd?” and I believe that he said the third time: “In that place are earthquakes, and seditions, and in that place shall rise the devil’s horn [qarn al-shaytan].”

      Those who want can check out this links for further studies

      http://www.masud.co.uk/ISLAM/misc/najd.htm
      http://www.hizmetbooks.org/British_Spy_Hempher/
      http://www.nooremadinah.net/MiladunNabi/Index.asp

      and only Allah alone is our guide may Allah help us walk the straight path of Islam

      Guide us in the straight path.
      The path of those whom You have favoured. Not of those who have earned Your anger and nor of those who have gone astray.
      1,Al fathia. 6 & 7.

    55. nimo April 8th, 2007 at 10:33 pm

      asalamu aleikum. I heard that bidah can come only in ‘ibadah’ , that means that internet and such things can’t be bidah since it is not ibadah or worship??

      asl

    56. Usooli January 20th, 2008 at 2:26 pm

      Many people think just because of the Nejdi dominance today in the lands of the two holy mosques, all the inhabitants of arabia are neo-salafis/kharijis. This is a huge misconception. There are many people of tasawuff, people of madahib, people of the schools of Imam Ashari and Maturidi, in the hejaz region particular, and in other places of the land as well, especially in the city of Makkah, and one example is our late shaykh may Allah have mercy on him, Shaykh Muhammad ibn Alawi al Makki al Maliki. The khawarij neo salafis are a just phase in history, and it should be remembered that approximately 1000 years ago in this land Arabia there were peoples worse than them who ruled, the hejaz was ruled by the Ismaili Fatimids, the Eastern portions of Arabia was under Qaramita Rawafid, and Yemen was under Zayidis, all three at the same time being present such that the whole Arabia became a shia dominated land, and their periods of rule lasted longer than the current rule of the wahabis ever since their emergence, and it should be known that the unblessed neo-salafi khawarij’s authority wont last forever or long, as Allah doesnt grant success to corrupters on earth, and because of their compounded extermism and ignorance they will split and battle amongst each other, as what is seen now, and many of them will leave Islam just like the arrow leaves a bow, which is clearly being seen amongst their ranks as well, and the last of the khawarij would be with the Dajjal, and soon the true Ahlas sunnah will be back in dominance, just as it happened in the past, for the Aqebah is for those who are Mutaqqun, and this is clearly is seen in the dominant society under Eesa[as] where people will be living under true rememberance of Allah, having ikraam for one another, having the malice/illnesses of hearts taken away from them, and with real tranquility in all walks of life being actualized as a result

    57. wahhabi dissident January 20th, 2008 at 7:21 pm

      the ruling party in saudia are kafireen/munafiqeen they let the americans celebrate christmas, drink and fornicate in the peninsula, so why wouldn’t they let the sufis and shias do their thing?

    58. aamer khan January 21st, 2008 at 12:31 am

      assalamu alaikum,

      dissident-two wrongs don’t make a right.

      if the sahabah did not do it, why should we? the Prophet (s) told us how to celebrate his birthday, by fasting every monday. if there was a better way to celebrate his birthday, wouldn’t he have told us?

      personally i think he would have.

    59. Ibraheem January 21st, 2008 at 9:59 am

      I’m a descendent of Saudi Sufis…
      We went to Syria about 200 something years ago so they’re out there.
      It’s good to see Sunni Islam returning to the Hijaz.

      Those who say the Mawlid is haram are innovators. The Prophet, may peace and prayers be upon him, never said it was haram. If he never said it was haram, who are all these people to say it is haram?! Is the Islamic Sharia’ not good enough for you?! Are you not content with what the Prophet said! Why do you feel the need to add more?!

    60. BM January 21st, 2008 at 12:48 pm

      Ibraheem on January 21, 2008 at 9:59 am said:

      I’m a descendent of Saudi Sufis…
      We went to Syria about 200 something years ago so they’re out there.
      It’s good to see Sunni Islam returning to the Hijaz.

      Those who say the Mawlid is haram are innovators. The Prophet, may peace and prayers be upon him, never said it was haram. If he never said it was haram, who are all these people to say it is haram?! Is the Islamic Sharia’ not good enough for you?! Are you not content with what the Prophet said! Why do you feel the need to add more?!

      As salamu ‘alaykum,

      Masha Allah, above is a clever response.

      Take heed people who accuse others of “adding” (bid’a sariha) to the deen, you may yourself be unwittingly adding something to the Shariah that does not belong in it. The argument “the Sahabas didn’t do it therefore we shouldn’t do it” is misleading and, with due respect to the people who cited it here, shows ignorance of the sciences of the Shariah (Usul).

      The Mawlid isn’t a fard or sunnah practice, it is regarded as permissable or encouraged/recommended. The question with regards to permissable/recommended isn’t just – did the Prophet (??? ???? ???? ????) do it or not? It’s also – would the Prophet (??? ???? ???? ????) condemn it or not? i.e. With reference to the Shariah is the act impermissable? The MAJORITY of the scholars of ahl ul sunnah have deemed it permissable, some say it’s makruh to do it on a single specific day but they don’t condemn those that do.

      The opinion that does condemn the Mawlid and accusing the Muslims who celebrate it, IS the real bid’a.

      Wa Allahu a’lam

      May Allah guide and aid the Muslims of Saudi Arabia as well as all the Muslims, and may He rid teh deen of all evil innovation, amin.

    61. BM January 21st, 2008 at 12:51 pm

      Sorry the ??? suppose to be sal Allahu ‘alayhi wa sallam.

      And this bit should be -

      The opinion that does condemn the Mawlid and accusing the Muslims [of shirk, bid'a] who celebrate it, IS the real bid’a.

    62. aboo January 21st, 2008 at 6:09 pm

      yaa ibraheem,

      HadakAllah,

      The Shariah doesn’t work like that. Al-yawma akmaltu laa kum deenakum, “Today I have perfected your religion for you.” is an ayah from the quran, one of the last ayaat revealed. Our religion was completed, walhamdulillah

      there is no need to do anything other than what the prophet did, rather, in our ibaadat, doing something he didn’t do is a bidah, innovation.

      You can use any logic you like, but like imaam ahmad said during the time he was being tested for not saying the quran is created “aatooni shaiyan min kitab Allah o sunnat ar rasool” give me something from the book of Allah or the Sunnah of the prophet to substantiate your claims.

      barakAllahu feek

    63. ... January 21st, 2008 at 7:20 pm

      Anyone have any other nice mawlids/hadrahs they wanna share?

    64. siddiqui4ever January 21st, 2008 at 10:19 pm

      Dear aboo,

      Assalamualaikum,

      As I remember the shariah does work like that…

      The basic principles are:

      1. The rule is that everything is Halal unless explicitly forbidden.
      2. Only Allah has the right to legislate for man.
      3. Prohibiting Halal and permitting Haram is synonymous with Shirk.
      4. Haram is always associated with what is bad and harmful.
      5. There is always a better substitute in Halal for that which is made Haram.
      6. Anything that leads to Haram is considered Hararn.
      7. It is Haram to declare something Halal when it is manifestly Haram.
      8. Good intentions do not justify committing Haram.
      9. One should guard himself against matters that are on the borderline between Halal and Haram (Mushtabahat).
      10. In extreme circumstances, Haram is permissible within certain limits.

      TO EXPAND ON POINT #1

      1. The Basic Asl Refers to the Permissibility of Things
      The first asl (Asl, plural usual, denotes origin, source, foundation, basis, fundamental or principle. (Trans.)), or principle, established by Islam is that the things which Allah has created and the benefits derived from them are essentially for man’s use, and hence are permissible. Nothing is haram except what is prohibited by a sound and explicit nas (Nas denotes either a verse of the Qur’an or a clear, authentic, and explicit sunnah (practice or saying) of Prophet Muhammad. These are the two main sources of Islamic law, i.e., its Shari’ah. (Trans.)) from the Law-Giver, Allah Subhanahu wa Ta’ala. If the nas is not sound, as for example in the case of a weak hadith, or if it is not explicit in stating the prohibition, the original principle of permissibility applies.

      The scholars of Islam have derived this principle of the natural usability and permissibility of things from the clear verses of the Qur’an. For example, Allah says: It is He who created all that is in the earth for you…. (2:29) He has subjected to you, from Himself, all that is in the heavens and all that is on the earth…. (45:13) Do you not see that Allah has subjected to you whatever is in the heavens and what is on earth, and has showered upon you His favors, both apparent and unseen? (31:20)

    65. wahhabi dissident January 21st, 2008 at 11:00 pm

      i’m not saying it’s right. all i’m saying is that you shouldn’t be surprised to see this kind of thing in saudi arabia. because they allow even worse things to go on there. the government of saudi arabia is purely secular. they just don’t have a democracy, it is ruled by man made laws none the less.

    66. Ibraheem January 21st, 2008 at 11:02 pm

      aboo on January 21, 2008 at 6:09 pm said:

      yaa ibraheem,

      HadakAllah,

      The Shariah doesn’t work like that. Al-yawma akmaltu laa kum deenakum, “Today I have perfected your religion for you.” is an ayah from the quran, one of the last ayaat revealed. Our religion was completed, walhamdulillah

      there is no need to do anything other than what the prophet did, rather, in our ibaadat, doing something he didn’t do is a bidah, innovation.

      You can use any logic you like, but like imaam ahmad said during the time he was being tested for not saying the quran is created “aatooni shaiyan min kitab Allah o sunnat ar rasool” give me something from the book of Allah or the Sunnah of the prophet to substantiate your claims.

      barakAllahu feek

      I’m pretty sure it does work like that.

    67. aamer khan January 22nd, 2008 at 12:22 am

      The asl that everything is permissible until proven impermissible applies to things that are mundane matters (Mua’malat or adaat).

      Everything is Haram when it comes to PURE Ibadah unless proven Halal. This comes from the Hadith in the 40 hadith of Nawawi: “On the Authority of the Mother of the Believers Aisha (raa) who said, ‘The Messender of Allah (s) said, “Whoever introduces something into this matter of ours something that is not from it will have it rejected.”‘”

      A mundane matter can become an Ibadah as long as there is the proper intention. However, to be considered a mundane matter, it must exist as a mundane matter wihtout the intention. This cannot be said about the Mawlid because there is no way to say that it is a mundane matter, and can exist as one without an intention.

      If someone says EVERYTHING is permissible unless proven impermissible, then that logic could apply to Dhuhr salah. Someone could say that there is no clear prohibition limiting the rakahs to four, therefore I can pray 6 rakahs. It just doesnt make sense.

      Now someone who says, “The Prophet didn’t use the internet, therefore it is bidah” doesn’t understand the difference between a mundane matter and a pure ibadah. The use of the internet, without an intention can exist as a mundane matter, but can convert to an ibadah with an intention. What makes it different from a pure ibadah is that it can exist as a mundane matter without an intention. This is not so for the mawlid.

      If someone can prove that the Mawlid can exist as a mundane matter without an intention of getting closer to Allah, then sure, celebrate!

      And a final note: The Sahaba were the most perfect human beings to walk on this planet besides the Prophets and Messengers, upon all of them be peace. Those who claim that they can get closer to Allah, or profess their love for the Messenger of Allah (s), in a way other than their way, or that of Rasulullah (s) then they are only deluding themselves. They were promised Jannah. We aren’t promised Jannah. If the mawlid brought us closer to Allah, the Sahabah would have done it.

      And Allah knows best!

    68. BM January 22nd, 2008 at 10:42 am

      Dear brother Ameer,
      Salam ‘alaykum

      Quote:
      >>The asl that everything is permissible until proven impermissible applies to things that are mundane matters (Mua’malat or adaat). Everything is Haram when it comes to PURE Ibadah unless proven Halal.<<

      This principle I believe is adopted by the Hanbali ulema, and by no means the majority view of all the ulema. There is no standard position or consensus amongst the scholars regarding the original ruling of deeds in Islam. i.e. Some said everything is halal until proven otherwise, some said everything is haram until proven otherwise and some held the view nothing has a ruling (halal or haram) until the Shariah declares it to be halal or haram.

      The Ulema’s understanding of the deen is vast, your understanding (that Mawlid is bid’a) is one of many, infact your’s is the minority opinion, and in light of the views from the majority of the scholars (from ahl ul sunnah), the opinion you follow is batil.

      In the end we all fall back to the opinion of the scholars we trust (unless we are confident we can derive rulings from the sources ourselves). Scholars such as Sh ibn Taymiyya and Imam Suyuti wrote about the permissibilty of the Mawlid. The latter relates from Ibn Hajar:

      “Basically, commemorating the Mawlid is an innovation that has not been transmitted by the righteous Muslims of the first three centuries. However, it involves good things and their opposites, therefore, whoever looks for the good and avoids the opposites then it is a good innovation.’ (Alhawi lil Fatawi)

      The arguments for and against these issues are easily accessible now, these online debates add little value.

      I agree with brother MR when he says celebrating the Mawlid doesn’t necessarily make one a better Muslim than those who don’t. BUT (big fat but) In my experience of being in the company of both groups of people, attending their gatherings for several years, I found much more benefit being in the company of the lovers of Rasul Allah (sal Allahu ‘alayhi wasallam) who celebrate the blessed Milad. To me these people, the Shuyukh and normal lay-Muslims embody the outer AND inner sunnah of the Prophet (sal Allahu ‘alayi wasallam) better. That’s just my experience, we should all ultimatley go with what benefits our Islam, Iman and Ihsan.

      Brother Ameer, forgive me if this is a too personal criticism on you. I had a look at your website and see you’re a photographer. You espouse quite strict interpretations of what is halal/haram vis a vis the practices of the Sahaba and literal interpretation of hadiths. How do you reconcile being a photographer in light of the hadiths that clearly forbid making pictures and condemn those who make pictures? “Mundane” matter or not, the Sahaba (may Allah be pleased with them) did not practice making pictures, so those people who are quick to condemn others of going against the practices of the Sahaba should be consistent in all matters of import, no?

      I’m tired of certain groups who keep saying “if their was any good in it the Sahaba whould have done it”, if there was any bad in it the Scholars of the Shariah would have prohibited it! Also how can someone say – “if there was a better way to celebrate his birthday, wouldn’t he have told us?personally i think he would have.” Can you not see the arrogance of this statement? What right do you have to say what the blessed Prophet (sal Allahu ‘alayhi wasallam) would/would not have done?

      The Mawlids I attend nothing occurs except the praise of the Prophet (sal Allahu ‘alayhi wasallam). And yes I feel my love of Allah and Prophet (sal Allahu ‘alayi wasallam) increases by being in these gatherings, and videos like the ones posted by MR rekindle that love. Bite me.

      Wasalam

    69. BM January 22nd, 2008 at 10:54 am

      Sorry bro Aamer misspelt your name.

    70. Ibraheem January 24th, 2008 at 9:12 am

      BM, if I may correct you, it was not adopted by the Hambali Ulema. Imam ibn Rajab al-Hambali held that everything is halal unless proven otherwise except for sexual intimacy and meat. Imam ibn Taymiyya, a great Hambali scholar (and Qadri Sufi) believed the Mawlid to be praiseworthy.

    71. Ibrahim Abdulhaq January 24th, 2008 at 3:08 pm

      This is not tasawwuf.

      Tasawwuf consists of inner dispositions and states, not outward rituals. Dancing around and chanting is not tasawwuf, having ikhlas and taqwa in the heart is tasawwuf.

    72. abdurraheem January 27th, 2008 at 7:19 am

      Sister Aysha &Brothers,I agree with u. Yes we should celebrate it every year
      And every month and every week
      And every hour and every moment. Mawlid is permissible if it is not containing any harram things.Wahabi’s didnt read hadith about some small girls singing and praising about the Martyr of BADR battle in marriage function where prophet(PBUH) had also attended that marraige. Wahabis are arrogants. Allah also praised prophet (PBUH) in Quran. Innaka La’ala Khulukin Aleem. there are many more placees in Quran.go to below links. from Dubai Awqaaf.

      http://www.sunnah.org/ibadaat/mawlid_dubai.htm

    73. hamid March 7th, 2008 at 7:13 pm

      Dear Bros,

      The very reason why we are in tatters and have so much of difference in our Ummah is because we do not have our irtibaardh with Sayyidina Nabi Sallallahu Alaihi Wa Sallam.

      We only know his Sunnah, while we forget who he actually is or what his status is. He is the zaiim, the leader of all mankind, under his flagship will we be risen on the Day of Reckoning. It is his Shafa’a that is going to save us from the torments and tribulations in the Hereafter.

      I can go on and state numerous Ayah from the Quran al-Kareem regarding the lofty status…

    74. hamid March 7th, 2008 at 7:17 pm

      of Sayyidina Nabi Sallallahu Alaihi Wa Sallam but I think I leave those who are doubtful to have to onus to look these up yourselves.

      As one of the readers have mentioned, Allah has mentioned in His Kalaam, “Wa ra fa’na laka dzikrak.” Allah has raised Sayyidina Nabi’s remembrance high and lofty. Can us humans do any better than that? Reciting the Mawlid Sharif is a way of showing our love for Rasulullah Sallallahu Alaihi Wa Sallam. It is full of barakah as there are numerous Durood/Selawat contained within the verses of the Mawlid itself. We are not raisiing the status of Nabi one bit by reciting Mawlid as Allah has already given His Habib the highest status. We are merely earning “brownie points” for Akhirah for ourselves. Let us be the ummah worthy of the…

    75. hamid March 7th, 2008 at 7:20 pm

      Shaf’a of Sayyidina Nabi Sallallahu Alaihi Wa Sallam.

      Insha-Allah, when we have irtibaardh with Rasulullah Sallallahu Alaihi Wa Sallam, Allah is with us.

      On a final note, Rasulullah has said in a Hadith: “He who accuses his neighbour of Shirk, the accuser himself becomes a mushrik.” (Bukhari) So let us be careful with our accusations.

      Barakallahu Feena,
      Hamid

    76. truth March 8th, 2008 at 11:49 am

      http://youtube.com/results?search_query=breakdance+sufi+&search_type=

      you be the judge if this is from the sunnah..or even from islam

    77. imam April 21st, 2008 at 8:01 am

      ALLAHUMMA SWALLI WASSALIM ALA KHAIRI KHALKIKA WA ALIHI WASALLAM
      is showing respect for the PROPHET haram?if ALLAH and HIS ANGELS do it who has the authority to say its bid a .inna llaha wa malaikatu hu yussaluuna ala nnabi……..

    78. Abu Husayn August 30th, 2009 at 7:23 am

      By calling the Mawlid a bidah you are condemning the very cream of the Muslim scholarship who not only allowed it, but even commended it provided no haram takes place. Salautations on the Prophet by scholarly agreement has no fixed number, place or time. When you fast on Monday, by the hadith, you are honoring the birth of the best of creation. How can you hope for his intercession (and yes, you need it!) when you have not cultivated love for him in your heart? Some have called for having the intention to visit the Prophet’s Mosque, rather than to visit the best of creation, upon whom be peace and blessings??? Look at the video, do you see any act that in and of itself is haram??? Men have gathered to express love of Allah’s beloved, and you condemn it? Search your heart, search your heart. :(

    79. Abu Husayn August 30th, 2009 at 7:32 am

      One member raises a great point. Some girls were singing songs praising the virtues of those martryed at Badr and the Prophet did not condemn them and in fact encouraged them to keep singing, yet you condemn those who gathered to sing the praise of the source of Allah’s blessings, peace and blessings of Allah upon him and his family? The Prophet let Aisha look over his should to watch the Abyssinians dance, yet you condemn those who sway and bow out of estatic love of the Allah’s beloved, upon whom be peace and blessings? Check the sources, everything thing I mentioned is Sahih. So, what is your problem other than being dogmatic? Brothers and Sisters, you only have one opportunity in this life, fill it with love of the Prophet and a little works will be acceptable by Allah from you, insha’Allah. “A man is with the one he loves”, again, a sahih hadith.

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