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Here are some video responses of Shaykh Yasir and Shaykh Bilal to the Dispatches show ‘Undercover Mosque’. I just want to apologize if I have offended any Muslim with the prior post, especially the title. This show took a blow to all Muslims, especially the Muslims in the UK.

Shaykh Bilal Philips response to ‘Undercover Mosque’

Shaykh Yasir Qadhi response to ‘Undercover Mosque’


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  • 94 Responses for "Shaykh Yasir Qadhi and Shaykh Bilal Philips responds to the Salafi Propaganda of “Undercover Mosque”"

    1. anon January 22nd, 2007 at 12:24 pm

      jazakAllah for posting their articulated responses…

    2. bluey January 22nd, 2007 at 12:42 pm

      Assalam Alaykum,

      Jazakallah khair Amir for posting this.

    3. shab January 22nd, 2007 at 1:06 pm

      somebody find out phone # and email of channel 4.

    4. Bint Muhammad January 22nd, 2007 at 1:35 pm

      jazakallah,
      that programme was big talk here :(

    5. Saracen January 22nd, 2007 at 1:59 pm

      Alsalamualaikum,

      Thank you for posting these, akhi.

      I hope all those who summarily curse the Salifi minhaj and the scholars that propogate it take the time to watch these videos. The intelligence and sincerity of a 3alim like Dr. Bilal Phillips (hafidhuhu Allah) is evident, and he is keen to back up any and all of his statements with evidence–for that is, afterall, the essence of Salifiyya.

      Mind you, I am not a “card-carrying Salifi” myself; but I do respect their methodology and recognize the benefit they have brought the ummah. And, yes, some “Salafis” are a bit harsh in their approach to the deen. Yet, in the same way that we fault non-Muslims for turning the actions of a few into a condemnation of the many, let us be careful we do not do the same.

      Wasalamualikum

    6. Danya January 22nd, 2007 at 3:08 pm

      I do agree with Sh. Yasir Qadhi actually. I don’t agree with Salafis on many issues for various reasons, but “Undercover Mosque” was clearly biased and any person, no matter what ‘minhaj’ you follow, should have been able to see that from the very beginning.

    7. Abdullah January 22nd, 2007 at 4:45 pm

      Sh. Yasir convinced me.

    8. Usma January 22nd, 2007 at 4:58 pm

      E-mail Address: dispatches@channel4 .com

      Call: Viewer Enquiries: 0845 076 0191

      Write to: Channel 4 Enquiries
      PO Box 1058
      Belfast
      BT1 9DU

      Abu Usama who was also filmed has responded too:
      http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5621979422472502457&hl=en-GB

    9. hmmmm January 22nd, 2007 at 5:16 pm

      Actually, I would say that the program is not all so false. Wether or not it is Wahabbism or Salafism that is creating these finatycal groups, they are in existence, and from what I can see they exist in great numbers in England. Though the people shown in the tape may be lower member in groups such as Muhajiroun, ITS, Hizbu Tahrir etc. etc, and by bieng lower members, they are still bieng trained, filled with anger against the west, slowly u see them supporting Osama Bin Laden in protests, burning flags, and so on until they are strong enuff to create damage. The higher “Sheikhs” of such fundamentalist groups are no doubt supporters of terrorism, and happy by the news of the death of westerners, wether they be muslim or not…I say this after having attending lessons of a man highly influenced by such teachings…some charges in the film were no doubt wrong, but i believe most were correct…as for Billal Philips n Yasir Qadhi, having heard them before as well, i dont find much more sincerity in their words then the sincerity of the program makers themself…sorry if I offended anyone, this is just my perspective.

    10. pointofdifference January 22nd, 2007 at 5:39 pm

      Some things they said in that movie are fundamentalist ideology, without debate, statements like “all jews are pigs”, or “we have to brainwash them” or telling parents to teach their kids to want to die as a martyr (which is a most noble dream) in a true, legitimate fight, but to influence an british or American kid who has no knowledge of deen, or any war to fight, with this mentality is absurd. These “scholars” shud wisen up to the fact that they will be heard, reported, n exported. Its no surprise that they were all educated in the same university.

    11. mehnaz miraj gibson January 22nd, 2007 at 6:12 pm

      It is important to remember that a Muslim practices his imam. A Muslim, one who has chosen to submit and be a slave to Allah, follows the dictates of the glorious Messagener (pbuh) and the Quran. It is an individual choice. No more no less. In brotherhood we find courage to help elevate our imam. Our purpose is to worship Allah at all times and all places. As to influence an American kid who has no knowledge of deen…it is the responsibility of the parent to educate the child..that is quite easy.. and not absurd…Let us be very careful and not look for motes in the eyes of our Muslim brethern when there are logs in the eyes of the people who spread discord amongst us. One of the beauties of Islam is the percept of using rational and logical thought; we do not see Muslims attacking the west…we see muslims stating be careful and not follow the west..for our path leads to a brighter future. Thank you for allowing me to express my thoughts.

    12. pointofdifference January 22nd, 2007 at 7:58 pm

      I do understand what ur saying, Br. Mehnaz, but they have to also be taught the rules of war, the rules of engagement,..not just ra ra ra…n the man who was saying this surely is a man of ra ra ra..

    13. Azeem Khan January 22nd, 2007 at 8:16 pm

      Check out the responses from the masajid, and orgs cited:

      http://www.mcb.org.uk/article_detail.php?article=announcement-613

    14. mehnaz miraj gibson January 22nd, 2007 at 10:59 pm

      In response to being taught the rules of war and engagement we have to have conviction i.e. faith or else there is nothing but deluge i.e. random acts of murder, plunder, rape.
      Conviction hence becomes a divine gift passed to us in the form of thought. There are many who have written on this in an eloquent manner. Ra ra as you say is empty and reckless.
      We are on the same path of firm conviction.
      P.S. I am sister; old enough to be everybody’s mother. Once again thank you.

    15. shafi January 22nd, 2007 at 11:07 pm

      Assalamu ‘alaikum,

      amir, jazakallah for showing both sides, thats all salafees and sufis care about, just show both sides, and we won’t fight, insha-Allah,

      Wassalam,

      ibn shakoor

    16. pointofdifference January 22nd, 2007 at 11:26 pm

      ooops,

      my apologies to our respected mother for the mistake = )

    17. Unknown January 22nd, 2007 at 11:31 pm

      Anyone who declares a Muslim (especially a scholar, even if you disagree with them) to be a kaffir, I have a hard time taking nasiha from them. Both brothers Yaser and Bilal have done this (against Shaykh Maliki and Shaykh Nuh accordingly) and therefore, I agree with “hmmm” above, I don’t see much sincerity, I see an attempt for good PR.

    18. Muslim Unity January 23rd, 2007 at 3:02 am

      I think we don’t need so many different groups. We need to have a common group which pursues our aims and goals.

      The ways of the Salifi are not at all acceptable to all of us. We need to discuss and explain that to them.

    19. jinnzaman January 23rd, 2007 at 3:39 am

      Assalamu alaikum

      We as an Ummah need to mature. We can sit here all day and bash each other, but the fact of the matter is, nobody is going nowhere. The Sufis aren’t going to be tafkeered into non-existence; the Salafis will not be refuted out of existence; the Sunni-Shi’a beef isn’t going anywhere either. In the time of the Sahabha (radhi allahu anhum), internal skirmishes within the Ummah NEVER took precedence over external combat with the kuffar.

      While we debate on the etiquette of relations with different groups, Muslims are being openly slaughtered in Palestine, Iraq, Afghanistan, Kashmir, Chechnya. We should look at our brothers and sisters in Somalia, they united under the banner of an Islamic government irrespective of whether they were Sufis and Salafis.

      A SMART bomb doesn’t care what group or sect you follow, it is designed to kill Muslims.

      So please, lets all grow up a little and stop this incessant sectarianism.

      Lets get our priorities straight.

      masalama

    20. Bint Muhammad January 23rd, 2007 at 9:17 am

      I didnt know ‘sheikh’ Yasir and Bilal called Sheikh Nuh a kafir! :O astagfirullah.
      If thats true, thats really wrong, and I wouldnt take their nasiha either, but I havent ever heard that.

    21. Mujahideen Ryder January 23rd, 2007 at 10:03 am

      Bint Muhammad on January 23, 2007 at 9:17 am said:

      I didnt know ‘sheikh’ Yasir and Bilal called Sheikh Nuh a kafir! :O astagfirullah.
      If thats true, thats really wrong, and I wouldnt take their nasiha either, but I havent ever heard that.

      I don’t think Shaykh Yasir called Shaykh Nuh a ‘kafir’. I never heard or read that. But he did straight up told me Shaykh Alawi al-Maliki (may Allah bless him) is a ‘shirk promoter’, na’audhobillah.

      Unknown has a good point, these same scholars ridicule and condemn the Sufi’s and now they are talking about unity. Double standards.

      Although I have heard that Shaykh Yasir has changed and become more ‘modern’ or ‘differen’t as they have told me. Allah knows best.

    22. Amad January 23rd, 2007 at 11:55 am

      Islam 101: Saying someone commits shirk or bidah is not equivalent to calling them mushrik/kafir or mubtadee. So, please show some restrain as to what you say. And it would be nice to show evidence at the appropriate place. I, for one, don’t think this thread is that place… because if we do so, we will do exactly as Channel 4 has scripted: Muslims fighting each other. At least I find this documentary to be a common-cause… as I stated, it deals with Jamate Islami, Dar-ul-Uloom, has a picture of Qaradawi, etc, etc. None of the moderate Sufi Shayookh took part in this. So, let’s not let an opportunity of unity be squandered. wallahualam.

      Musings of a Muslim Mind

    23. Sal January 23rd, 2007 at 2:35 pm

      I dont know did anyone ever see Salafi scholars going on public tv for the non-muslims and bashing sufis like Abdul Hakim Murad did?

    24. Muhammed January 23rd, 2007 at 2:40 pm

      Both Sheikhs are responding because both of them graduated from the same Hate mongering, hate producing, bidah calling institute:

      Islamic University in Madinah Munawwarah.

      The Prophet Sallallahu Alaihe Wasallam must be turning and tossing in his blessed grave in grief and sorrow because of all the hateful preachers who graduate from Madinah University.

    25. Muhammed January 23rd, 2007 at 2:46 pm

      Also, someone should remind Sheikh Yasir that the Quranic verse is not ‘fee salatihim sahoon’ in surah maoon, it’s ‘allazeena hum ‘AN’ salatihim,….it’s ‘an’ and not ‘fee’. at 10:37 into the video. My five year old cousin even knows that. lol…

      Unless it’s like that in the latest Salafi tampered Quran?

    26. ........ January 23rd, 2007 at 3:11 pm

      to the above poster:

      that was pathetic.

    27. Muhammed January 23rd, 2007 at 3:33 pm

      Pathetic were all those Salafi scholars in the video. The amount of harm to Islam and disunity amongst the Muslims the Salafees have caused in the the west, nay in the world has never been caused in the past 200 years.

    28. Samir January 23rd, 2007 at 10:20 pm

      RAND^

    29. Yaser January 23rd, 2007 at 10:40 pm

      Although this comment has nothing of benefit beause my computer is acting too wierd to fully load those videos…That is a sweet leather jacket.

      PS Sh. Nuh isnt a Mushrik
      PPS Neither Is Sh. Al Alawi Al Maliki
      :)

    30. shab January 23rd, 2007 at 11:03 pm

      Muhammed on January 23, 2007 at 2:40 pm said:

      Both Sheikhs are responding because both of them graduated from the same Hate mongering, hate producing, bidah calling institute:

      Islamic University in Madinah Munawwarah.

      The Prophet Sallallahu Alaihe Wasallam must be turning and tossing in his blessed grave in grief and sorrow because of all the hateful preachers who graduate from Madinah University.

      Subhan’Allah! Prophet Muhammad pbuh said “let him who fears Allah swt and the last day, either SPEAK GOOD OR KEEP SILENT”

      Implement it(and i remind that to myself first)

    31. pointofdifference January 24th, 2007 at 12:23 am

      Sheikh Nuh, the greatest muwahhid (monotheist) that I have ever seen in my life constantly tells students not to waste time arguing…

    32. Yursil January 24th, 2007 at 12:52 am

      as-salamu’alaikum Amad,

      Correction… Shaykh Yasir Qadhi said Shaykh Alawi al-Maliki was a propagator of *all three forms of shirk*.

      This, in all understandings, makes one a mushrik. Linguistic tongue twisting will not ever change that until an apology is heard.

      As far as Bilal Philips did essentially the same in front an audience of hundreds in New York, specifically regarding the translator of Reliance of the Traveler.

      Bilal Philips message nasiha really has nothing to do with uniting, and is simply defending his legal opinion.

      Shaykh Yasir Qadhi is basically calling for unity when he has yet to apologize for his disunity, and continues to teach a class on aqidah which is a source of disunity.

    33. Sal January 24th, 2007 at 2:04 am

      Wasnt it Nuh Keller that called Shaykhul Islaam Ibn Tamiyyah and Ibn al Qayyim anthropomorphist (which tantamounts to kufr)?

      Interesting. Very interesting.

    34. anybody January 24th, 2007 at 2:35 am

      you know maybe people like jinnzaman and Yaser shouldnt waste time with you folks.

      I think jinnzaman in order to get your point across to anyone, you would have to take the first step. You are on the dot with priorities. Perhaps, you would have to make the alliance.

      Muslim against discrimination of sects Alliance: MADSA

      YET another new organization for the exact purpose of what Jinnzaman said, to unite for the greater good of the Ummah against plots to destroy it via internal and civil warfare.

      People please think about forming this organization.

      And members from all sides would be screened for bigotry and close mindedness.

      it is another thing to be comfortable in your shoes about your ideology and another to be itching to argue and bash because you are afraid the other “side” might win and you lose.

    35. Alzabini January 24th, 2007 at 3:40 am

      Salamualaykum,

      First I would like to say Dr. Bilal Philips is NOT a “wahabi” or “Salafi”
      IF you ask him what are you, he will respond MUSLIM. Go ahead and ask him. If you press him hard to give you an answer, he will say he follows the Sunnah of the rasool and the Quran.

      Dr. Bilal Philips is the MOST sincere and tolerant guy I have ever seen. I consider Dr. Bilal Philips oen of the most knowledgable and tolerant scholars we have.I dont know about the other guy so I cant coment on him.

      The University of Madinah is one of the best universities when it comes to fiqh and understanding Islam, so I don’t think it’s fair to bash it either.

    36. Amad January 24th, 2007 at 10:10 am

      Yursil, it is YOUR twisted understanding of things that makes you claim things you have little knowledge of. Why don’t you ask Yasir yourself if he considers Allawi a mushrik? In any case, you, based on what I have heard from the moderate sufi/sufi-leaners, are in the extreme sufi category. I can see the difference right on this thread, so I thank MR for giving me some proof positive of what he said before. So, our appeal for unity is not targeted at you in any case. Go ahead and write a letter to Channel 4 praising them for their excellent job.

      You know, whatever! Whoever wants to unite against the disbelievers in this attempt to malign the majority of Muslims (except the hard-line sufis like Yursil), then they can join us in protesting to Channel 4.

      WHOEVER wants to keep bickering, well go right ahead. This is the script that Channel 4 wrote, and you can willing partners in the crime.

      [P.S. Those consumed by hatred fail to see that the MAJORITY of Muslims got affected by this documentary. The non-Muslims don't see the difference between "traditionalists", or Jamat-e-Islam/Ikhwaan or the ahl-hadith. It's all the same to them].

    37. Mujahideen Ryder January 24th, 2007 at 10:23 am

      Actually Amad, some organizations dedicated to spying and surveying Muslims, know the exact differences and everything. There was that RAND report a few years back outlining the differences amongst the Muslims.

      In reality, moderate sufis and moderate wasabis can never unite, becuase even the moderate ones don’t like each other’s scholars, because of what they say about the others.

      We just have to learn to live next to each other with the differences and work for common causes. If the wasabis take heat from the Media and sufis defend them, but then the same wasabis condemn the sufis, what do you expect the sufis to do? It’s very sensitve and difficult situation.

      EVEN if we were all united and supporting each other, the media would be attacking both. This is how it is. Many of these kufar want to get rid of Islam totally, they don’t care about the divisions. The only reason why the wasabis take the heat so much is because there are so many of them and they are very loud.

      So in reality, let’s just do our thing and move on.

    38. Muhammed January 24th, 2007 at 12:05 pm

      Salafees/Wahabis have been bashing Muslims who are not like them for years now. Now, when they are finnally exposed by the media, they want the Muslims to defend them? It’s not going to happen. You call us Kafirs and now you want us to be united with you? Sorry! According to you people, we are just like any other Kafir so you shouldn’t be asking us Kafirs to help you. That is SHIRK! lol You should be asking Allah to help you.

      If Dr. Bilal is not a Salafi/Wahabi, then no one is!

      MR, some awesome very good points there especially the third paragraph.

    39. Alzabini January 24th, 2007 at 3:27 pm

      “If Dr. Bilal is not a Salafi/Wahabi, then no one is!”

      But the thing is he’s NOT. I can’t be any more clearer than that. Don’t go around making mindless accusations unless you have proof.

      Brother you dont have to like him. Just dont accuse him of being something he’s not.

      I challenge you to go ahead and ASK him yourselfface to face. Don’t go around gossiping and spreading rumours.
      Will you accept this challenge or will you continue to be a hate-monger?

    40. Amad January 24th, 2007 at 4:21 pm

      MR quote “We just have to learn to live next to each other with the differences and work for common causes.”

      I am under no illusion either that we will have no problems between each other. And you know that I am not the least one to discuss them openly. This whole thread is about the second part of your message, which is the premise under which I am operating.

      I don’t think I’ll impress the extremists in opinion like Muhammad/Yursil, etc… just like you will not convince bros from TROID/SPUBS… but for those who have common-sense, we can do what helps the Ummah IN GENERAL, without compromising our individual principles.

      wallahu alam

    41. Saracen January 24th, 2007 at 6:03 pm

      Quick point (directed at nobody in particular): Bashing of any sort is counter-productive; yet we must give our scholars some leeway in exposing another’s faults in belief. I say this because if our scholars aren’t given the freedom to voice their learned opinion, then the laypeople will be left susceptible. Also, it is not just the scholars who are coming out of Madinah that do this. Imams considered moderate, by any standard, are also warning the people (e.g., Suhaib Webb condemnded the Sufi mystic Ibn Al-Arabi). All these scholars are doing is trying to educate us; any notion that they have some hidden “agenda” is baseless.

    42. Muhammed January 24th, 2007 at 7:16 pm

      Alzabini,

      What’s wrong with being a Salafi/Wahhabi? Why wouldn’t Dr. Bilal want to be called a Salafi Scholar? Isn’t it aa good thing to be called a Salafi? lol

    43. Yursil January 24th, 2007 at 8:45 pm

      as-salamu’alaikum Amad,

      Quite, a few of my closest friends are not Sufi in any way shape or form.

      Your assumptions about what I believe in regarding this documentary are completely unfounded, and as usual, an example of extreme Salafi hatred.

      I haven’t said one word about the documentary, rather what I have said is that Shaykh Yasir Qadhi calling for unity is hypocritical.

      In fact, I have for quite a few years, on my blog and elsewhere, called for unity. If you need post references, I can provide them.

      The issue is that keeps getting rubbed back in my face by people like Shaykh Yasir Qadhi who

      1) defines three categories of shirk
      2) accuses people of falling into all three categories of shirk

      Such people need to learn to ALSO APOLOGIZE for such mistakes. Otherwise their “calls” for unity are quite hollow. Just like I feel from yours, on one hand calling for unity and then on another accusing me of allying with non-Muslims. Pretty strange isn’t it?

      If you don’t believe that such calls for unity are hollow, then so be it. As far as the documentary I think its very distasteful and a situation of propaganda against Muslims.

    44. Yursil January 24th, 2007 at 8:47 pm

      also… I find your attempt to divide Sunni Muslims very entertaining, I wonder if MR buys into all this. Am I still an ‘extreme Sufi’?

      eh :) guess it doesnt matter.

      InshaAllah, I will die with Shahadat.

    45. Amad January 24th, 2007 at 9:23 pm

      Yursil, why should Yasir apologize for anything? He called a spade, what he believed to be a spade. That is his ijtihad and understanding of Tawheed. As Saracen said, it is his obligation to uncover the deviance, if someone sees so. But he didn’t call Allawi kaffir, did he? Or Mushrik, did he? Those are YOUR assumptions.

      The MAIN point here is that he did not go on public TV, addressing non-Muslims who don’t believe in Allah, let alone understand the differences among Muslims, and bash Sufis or any other Muslim. Not like Murad, for instance.

      You are right that you haven’t said a word about the documentary. That is the exactly the point…this thread IS about the documentary, not what you injected/added into it.

      Finally, I don’t hate you, I just don’t approve of what you are spreading, and I won’t be afraid to expose it.

      Musings of a Muslim Mind

    46. Mujahideen Ryder January 24th, 2007 at 10:31 pm

      Me and Yursil have more in common then a wasabi. :-D

      BUT

      Me and Amad have more in common than a shia.

      :-D hahaha

    47. Yursil January 24th, 2007 at 10:48 pm

      as-salamu’alaikum,

      Your ‘exposing’ of what I am ‘spreading’ is exactly a part of the problem.

      That is why your calls for unity will continue to fall flat, calling a spade a spade is the way you see what is happening.

      I see it as name calling. Which is why calls for unity are pointless with people like that.

      Let me give you an example of what Yasir Qadhi did…

      He listed three qualities with make up shirk.

      He then accused Imam Awlawi al-Maliki (Rah) of all three categories.

      It is just like if I said there are five categories of hypocrisy and said you fell into all of them.

      If I did that would you take it to mean that I was going on a round-about way of calling you a munafiq?

      Hm. Maybe.

      Though I hope you would stand by and defend me as saying I had not called you a munafiq.

      Which I haven’t.

      Unity with people who think this way is ridiculous.

    48. Yursil January 24th, 2007 at 10:49 pm

      thanks MR :)

      can I get some sushi with all this wasabi?

    49. Muhammed January 24th, 2007 at 11:20 pm

      Amad,

      Saudi Salafi scholars have called Sheikh Allawi a kafir. Since Sheikh Yasir studied in Saudi and was given a daily dose of bidah kufr mushrik shirk injections, he naturally brought over the same filth to the states and just translated it from Arabic to English. It’s not his Ijtihad. He’s just regurgitating what he learnt in Madinah University about Shirk/Bidah/Kufr/Mushrik non-Salafees.

    50. Alzabini January 25th, 2007 at 12:12 am

      Muhammad spill the beans.
      What are you, just say it. Shia? Sufi? ISmaili? Ahmadi?
      Where is your country of origin? Iran? Iraq? Afghanistan?
      In all due respect I’d really like to know.

    51. Mujahideen Ryder January 25th, 2007 at 10:16 am

      Muhammed on January 24, 2007 at 11:20 pm said:

      Amad,

      Saudi Salafi scholars have called Sheikh Allawi a kafir. Since Sheikh Yasir studied in Saudi and was given a daily dose of bidah kufr mushrik shirk injections, he naturally brought over the same filth to the states and just translated it from Arabic to English. It’s not his Ijtihad. He’s just regurgitating what he learnt in Madinah University about Shirk/Bidah/Kufr/Mushrik non-Salafees.

      Actually this is true. Shaykh Yasir Qadhi told this to me in person when we talked. He said that he hasn’t been the only person to accuse Shaykh al-Alawi of shirk.

    52. anybody January 25th, 2007 at 3:34 pm

      well, what proof do they have that this person said a statement of shirk.

      If somene has proof then you cannot argue against that even if it sounds bad.
      I think it would have been better if they said no names and just sad ideas or thoughts to get their point across.

      You people are at each other’s throats
      one side causes the other side extreme and deviated.

      Sufis say about Ibn Taymiyyah, the greatest scholar in history(contemporary) things I would not imagine them saying especially since imaam AL-Ghazali was his student. Yet there are people’s blogs with this stuff. BUt why? why? I dont know.

      so you keep fighting and you will be conquered. Iraq is just one example, you will be placed in internment camps in USA, then you can argue with each other while starving to death and your women beaten and raped.

      aah, you bunch of pathetic losers

      go save your selves, you are not going to do anythign for the ummah.

    53. shab January 25th, 2007 at 7:14 pm

      high fiveeeeee to ‘anybody’ :)

    54. lol January 25th, 2007 at 7:30 pm

      Imam Ghazali was ibn Taymiyyas student?

      the knowledge level is dropping…

    55. just some advice January 25th, 2007 at 8:46 pm

      I don’t exactly know the defenitions of all these terms you are using, and I am probably a lot younger than you, but I just wanted to say one thing: You know why Muslims are starting to be so vulnerable to attack from westerners and the media? Because we have lost iman, we have lost unity, and we have lost brotherhood/sisterhood. Internal bickering is leaving us more vulnerable to attack from the outside, and until we realize that we must unite and accept each others’ differences and respect each other for our diversity, we will never be unified, we will never be free from being discriminated against and attacked by the west and their media, and we will never be a true ummah.

    56. Muhammed January 26th, 2007 at 12:57 am

      Everything was all quiet in the West till the Salafi Storm hit us. They are the ones who started creating problems in so many Masjids of the West. They are the ones who publicly criticised Imams who didn’t follow the Saudi Salafi way. They are the ones who made life hell for Imams in so many Masjids. They are the root of disunity and bickering. They stop their hatred for Muslims, and the bickering will stop.

    57. shaytan January 26th, 2007 at 1:25 am

      Muhammed on January 26, 2007 at 12:57 am said:

      Everything was all quiet in the West till the Salafi Storm hit us. They are the ones who started creating problems in so many Masjids of the West. They are the ones who publicly criticised Imams who didn’t follow the Saudi Salafi way. They are the ones who made life hell for Imams in so many Masjids. They are the root of disunity and bickering. They stop their hatred for Muslims, and the bickering will stop.

      i love you

    58. Alzabini January 26th, 2007 at 2:19 am

      Muhammad
      you do realize that the majority of the Mosques were funded by the Saudi’s?
      If it wasnt for them we wouldnt have had the amount of mosques we have now. I know it’s easy to point the finger and scream, but I dont think its fair to pin the blame on the Saudi’s when in fact we as a community should be pointing it at ourselves.
      Just because they are Saudi it doesnt make them wahhabi. The majority of Saudi Arabia is sunni anyways, but they dont like to be called taht, use “Muslim”. Dividing people into sects is against the teachings of the prophet.

    59. Bint Muhammad January 26th, 2007 at 6:32 am

      Good Lord!…what started as some accusations against beloved Sheikh Nuh [which havent been proven] turned out to be the cause of this uproar.
      May Allah guide and bless us all.
      I personally dont like to diss another sect.
      ok inshallah I will share a beautiful hadith which I studied a while back…Qala RasoolAllahi Sallahu aliyhi wa sallam
      ‘Man Samatan Najaa’
      ‘whoever remains silent has attained victory / is successful’.

      ws

    60. Saracen January 26th, 2007 at 10:47 am

      From each individual, you take what is good, and leave what is bad. The only individual that we follow without question is the Prophet (SAWS). Again, as I noted earlier, the scholars are the ones who guide us and warn us–and the only way they can correctly do both is through evidence.

      Similarly, whether you agree or disagree with any one position, you do so through specific evidence as well. That being said, here is some evidence of the deviation of Ibn Arabi and, by extension, those who venerate him (including Nuh Keller).

      [edited out nasty shaytani website that calls 99% of the ummah kafir]

      Muhammed–To say that the Salafis hate Muslims is one of the most ignorant comments I have ever come across. What they hate is the misguidance that has penetrated the ummah, and they seek to expose it. And if you are discomforted by the fact that their dawah is “shaking things up,” then have the courtesy to simply be content (and quiet) in your ignorance and realize that there are others who want to hear the truth no matter if it comes fron Saudiyyah, Egypt, Indonesia, or California.

      wa’salamualaikum

    61. Dontbefooled January 26th, 2007 at 5:09 pm

      Saracen, [edited out - nasty shaytani website] is probably one of the worst muslim websites in existence today. I personally know sheikh Nuh Keller for many years now, and through my first hand personal connection with him, I can say that the people of that website are extremely misinformed, or plain liars, and the latter is what I believe. Just look at the “guard your iman” panel, 90% of the muslim Ummah in total is in dalaalah according to them, but they are the rightly guided…in reality, I wud say they are not clinging to the rope of Allah, but rather they are hanging themselves to death with it vis a vis that corrupt website.

    62. Saracen January 26th, 2007 at 5:37 pm

      Brother, like I said, you take the good and leave the bad or doubtful. I understand your concerns and, to a degree, I agree with you. The link I posted, however, doesn’t make unsubstantiated claims. It offers citations that can be checked, and so it is a case of the evidence speaking for itself.

      Now I have never met Nuh Kellar, but if what the brothers at that website say is true, then I would urge you, as you have urged me, to be careful who you listen to.

      W’Allahu Alam

    63. Bint Muhammad January 26th, 2007 at 5:45 pm

      Sheikh Nuh is a murshid. Plz dont diss him
      I hate getting into things like this, but when a prominent sheikh is being dissed, I really cant sit back and watch without my blood boiling.

      Sheikh Nuh is my spiritual guide, now some of u here might think, ok shes a deviant too. but I’m just practising Islam,… in the traditional way :)

      May Allah guide us all to have the true understanding of Islaam. Aswell as its beauty, in its truest form.

    64. Bint Muhammad January 26th, 2007 at 6:17 pm

      nowadays we can prove absolutley anything we want

    65. Mujahideen Ryder January 26th, 2007 at 7:42 pm

      Saracen on January 26, 2007 at 10:47 am said:

      From each individual, you take what is good, and leave what is bad. The only individual that we follow without question is the Prophet (SAWS). Again, as I noted earlier, the scholars are the ones who guide us and warn us–and the only way they can correctly do both is through evidence.

      Similarly, whether you agree or disagree with any one position, you do so through specific evidence as well. That being said, here is some evidence of the deviation of Ibn Arabi and, by extension, those who venerate him (including Nuh Keller).

      [edited out nasty shaytani website that calls 99% of the ummah kafir]

      Muhammed–To say that the Salafis hate Muslims is one of the most ignorant comments I have ever come across. What they hate is the misguidance that has penetrated the ummah, and they seek to expose it. And if you are discomforted by the fact that their dawah is “shaking things up,” then have the courtesy to simply be content (and quiet) in your ignorance and realize that there are others who want to hear the truth no matter if it comes fron Saudiyyah, Egypt, Indonesia, or California.

      wa’salamualaikum

      LOL. that site is straight from shaytan! it basically calls 99% of the ummah kafirs, including you bro. im seroius. no one goes to that site.

      i highly doubt muslims made that site. HIGHLY doubt it.

      even the salafis dont like that site. they insult everyone except there ownselves.

      im editing that out. cuz i really hate that site, wallahi and if u ask ANY scholar, ANY scholar from AlMaghrib, Zaytuna, IslamQA.com, AskImam.com, Zaytuna, Madinah University, they’ll all say, don’t go to that site.

      saracen u officially lost all credibility in my eyes. sorry :-). im mean.

    66. Saracen January 26th, 2007 at 8:14 pm

      OK, OK, you know what, forget where the info came from. To be honest, I think that site is a little suspect myself. But it’s not like they’re calling people to untruth. And, again, the link I gave wasn’t just crazy ramblings; the dudes had quotes and citations.

      And, if we want to talk about losing credibility, any “sheikh” or “scholar” that lauds Ibn Arabi is straight up not to be listened to in my book (as well as the book of any and all righteous imams).

      Also, I still got love for you akhi, even if you are mean :).

    67. Saracen January 26th, 2007 at 8:48 pm

      Just to further clarify, what I meant by “it’s not like they are calling people to untruth” is that the brothers who run that site (and, yes, I do think they are brothers and not CIA opperatives or anything like that) emphasize tawheed and the primacy of the Quran and sunnah. Some of their stuff is beneficial…and some a little less so.

      You know what though, forget that site and the info contained in the link I put up (if some are turned off by it’s source).

      My point was that all too often we get up in arms about someone calling out “our scholar.” So to Sis. Bint Muhammed, and anyone else of her ilk, I urge you to acknowledge the fact that your “spiritual guide” can be mistaken, like any other human being. All too often the Hamza Yusuf’s and Nuh Kellers and, yes, the Bilal Philips’ are overly venerated.

      Bottom line: If a learned individual calls out the imam that you happen to be following at the moment, you should stay true to your iman and your intellect and look into the allegations rather than dismissing them as propaganda and lies.

    68. Dontbefooled January 26th, 2007 at 10:16 pm

      Saracen, I appreciate ur understanding the problem with that now edited website…and true, people may over-venerate their shuyukh at times. However, Id like to ask you if you have ever read any anti-islamic literature in ur life, I dont suggest you do, but they are full of citations and quotes themselves, so if we are to accept anyone that can cite and parrot words (even if it be in total disregard to their true meaning, as is the above mentioned case) then we would have to accept those websites as well, which any person with a single braincell n atoms weight of morality knows to be only too false.

      You say that the follower of these shuyukh should look into the allegations, as I have, and I kno the allegations are false and propagandous indeed. If there is any specific claim you would like to address to the students or friends or fans of a particular shaykh you should ask it with the adab enttailed in asking a question…and if you really want to find out about a sheikh, you could do far worse than actually spend some time with the sheikh….

    69. Saracen January 27th, 2007 at 12:44 pm

      DBF-First, I want to apologize if my comment came off too harsh. You are absolutely correct that any concern should be posted within the bounds of adab, and I have been worried since I posted my words that I transgressed those bounds. By that same token, I can see why some people would be turned off by the site I mentioned.

      I also agree that any info on the net is to be looked at cautiously. My main point, however, which was perhaps undermined by my posting that link, is that when ALIMS speak about imams, we should listen. And I will leave it at that.

      W’Allahu Alam

    70. Bint Muhammad January 27th, 2007 at 1:12 pm

      I heard a sheikh say that the last place we should take Islam from is the internet.

      Its bad enough being a ‘self studied’ muslim, nevermind ‘serching’ the internet for Islam.

      We should learn Islam the real way, the traditional way, which is throught shuyukh who has sanads back to the Beloved prophet pbuh.

    71. Samir January 27th, 2007 at 2:17 pm

      The Aqeedah Classes are not calling for disunity at all. Honestly that is a ridiculous point and I can twist that around and say that the classes at Sunnipath are causing disunity because they are teaching their interpretation of the Quran.

    72. Abdul-Hakim January 27th, 2007 at 3:02 pm

      I agree with bint Muhammad in that web has lot of good information but we should learn our islam from shayk or shayks becouse we are just humans and humans are able to be mislead by theyreselfs.
      But I would add here that that shayk should also have knowledge from one /four madhabs and following islam under this madhab.
      This makes to me think that Bilal Philips is non “pure” sunni but not “pure” salafi, becouse (if thats is true )he denies to be salafi.

    73. anybody January 28th, 2007 at 2:47 am

      lol on January 25, 2007 at 7:30 pm said:

      Imam Ghazali was ibn Taymiyyas student?

      the knowledge level is dropping…

      woah, sorry, yu can correct me wthout being so sarcastic and mean.
      I think I meant Ibnul Qayyim then?

      oops, whatever, take the whole of my schpeel.

    74. a.a January 28th, 2007 at 5:58 pm

      Muhammed on January 23, 2007 at 2:40 pm said:

      Both Sheikhs are responding because both of them graduated from the same Hate mongering, hate producing, bidah calling institute:

      Islamic University in Madinah Munawwarah.

      The Prophet Sallallahu Alaihe Wasallam must be turning and tossing in his blessed grave in grief and sorrow because of all the hateful preachers who graduate from Madinah University.

      how do you no the prophet is tossing and turning in his grave??? are you a suffi or sumthing??? your comment has sent cold chill runing down my spine!!!!! astaqfurallah where is the proof this is actually happening?

    75. a.a January 28th, 2007 at 6:04 pm

      Just a lil advice and warning to all those who insult and curse these scholars ! Just remember they attain more knowledge and taqwa than you!!! they are the ones who are up their doing a good cause for islam ! they are the ones who are reviving the ummah!!! you may be busy chasing this dunya but these scholars are busy praising allah the way he deserves to be praised.

    76. Dontbefooled January 29th, 2007 at 1:41 am

      Saracen,

      being able to realize ones fault, and correct oneself is a good ability to have…cuz were humans, n as such, screwin up is our forte.

    77. Amad January 29th, 2007 at 10:19 am

      Since MR and I have a lot more in common than Shias (I am glad to know that MR), here’s something we can all be angry about: Abu Lulu: The Shrine of the Umar’s (RD) Murderer

      And somewhat relevant to many of the topics here, Wahhabi Myth: Debunking the Bogeyman

    78. sister January 31st, 2007 at 12:00 am

      Astaghfirullah may Allah guide those people
      do anyone of you know why they did this ?

    79. Omar February 15th, 2007 at 2:09 pm

      SubhanAllah…May Allah (swt) guide us all to the straight path. Some of these comments here are honestly very sad. There are Muslims all over the world being killed like cattle every day, and there are some here making terrible fitna…WAllahi I dont know if some of those making comments here are just trying to argue and start fitna instead of actually discussing the truth…Heres some advice, for myself first and then for everyone else here…Dont talk about things which you have no knowledge of. How can someone completely discredit an Islamic university that theyve never even seen. If there was a suspected murderer from your city, could I then go and claim that every1 in your city was a murderer…and imagine if that suspected murderer was actually innocent. If a particular shaykh says something, see why he has said what he has said and do it with an open mind. These shuyukh have dedicated their lives to studying Islam and someone who has never done that in their life has the right to attack and condemn them….Au’thoo billah…Come on, have some manners at least. Find out why a sheikh says what he says. Find out why ibn Al-Arabi was condemned (Ill give you a hint, maybe because he said that everything was Allah so it didnt matter if u made sajdah to a tree), and yes, u can verify that. You may ask, how do we know if the sheikh is right or not…Thats where the beauty of Islam is, because all you have to do is check back with the Quran and sunnah when ur ever in doubt. Read a book on aqeedah; try any book by ibn taiymiyyah…or better yet, take a class on aqeedah with a learned person…This way, once you have knowledge of your own aqeedah u will be able to follow the truth where u see it and stay away from falsehood where it is present, regardless of what sheikh it comes from…May Allah (swt) guide us all and unite us on the truth inshAllah…WAllahu Ta’ala A’lam (and Allah (swt) knows best)

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    81. UK’s Channel 4 Cut & Paste Job in Dispatches Documentary Caught by UK Police | Mujahideen Ryder's Blog August 9th, 2007 at 5:56 pm

      [...] Usamah, Shaykh Yasir Qadhi, Shaykh Bilal Phillips, Shaykh Khalid Yasin & others and then Sh. Yasir and Sh. Bilal responded with this. Well looks like the UK police did some investigations and found out that Channel 4 was guilty [...]

    82. muhammad abu harb August 26th, 2007 at 3:05 am

      Bismillah wa salatu wa salam ala rasoolullah wa bad alhamdulliah i saw some for the “dipathers” undercover masjid and no doubt it was just 10 second clips paste out of context but Allahumustaan when i read most of these comments you find that the condition of this ummah is that the muslims dont know the deen and follow there desires wa aouthobillah as for what some have said about wahabis and so for its no doubt this is a name made up HOW IN THE WORLD WOULD THE SALAFIS WHOS MAIN PRIORITY IS CORRECTNESS IN THE AQEEDAH CALL THEM SELEVES BY A NAME OF ALLah its no doubt that majority of these comments are by ignorant people who dont understand the deen i saw one comment talking about takfir for example if a person leaves salat then they have appostated. This is the view of ahlussunnah look to the speach of Imam Ahmad and other than him.As for the brother yasir qadhi I dont know his situation but he is not a scholar and the brother bilal philips he is not a scholar,and it is upon the muslims to go back to the MAJOR SCHOLARS WHO ARE KNOW FOM CORRECT AQEEDAH AND MANHAJ AND TO REFFER BACK TO THEM.JUST TO POINT OUT IF ONE WERE TO LOOK AT THE MAJORITIY OF THE BOOKS WRITEN BY THE BROTHER BILAL ESPECIALLY MOST OF THE REFFERENCES he uses is from SHEIKH AL ALBANI AND SHEIKH AL UTHAYMEEN AND IBN TAYMIYYAH THESE ULAMA HOW ARE KNOW TO BE SALAFI AND UPON THE WAY OF THE SALAF IN CONCLUDING I ASK ALLAH SUBHANAHU WA TAL ALLAH TO QUIDE ALL THE MUSLIMS BACK TO THE WAY OF OUR NOBLE PROPHET PEACE BE UPON HIM AND TO GIVE THE MUSLIMS VICTORY OVER THE KUFFAR AMEN WA SALAMU ALIKUM WA RAHMATULLAHI WA BARAKATUH

    83. Abdur Raheem aboo Iisa February 9th, 2008 at 12:07 pm

      As salamu alaykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatu. There are several things I will not touch on but, insha’Allah ta’aala, would like to bring up a few things. First, to those who refute the way of the salaf, prove we’re wrong and PROVE we’re extreme. The way is ONE and it IS the way of the salaf, not some groups of people saying “we are the salafis” and everyone else is wrong. The four imaams were salafis but there teachings came before the strict application of the science of ahaadith. The imams were on record as saying if you find authentic sources showing you other than that which I teach you, THAT is my madhhab. To be a salafi means no more that adhering to the first three generations and those who call the salifeeyah a bid’a, you have been misguided somewhere along the way. True salifeeyah is the EXACT OPPOSITE, again, adhering to the early generations and ignoring those who make fatwaas or assumptions without authentic sources, not weak or fabricated sources. As far as Bilal Philips is concerned, he is WITHOUT A DOUBT ascribing to the salifeeyah. He has declared in NO uncertain terms and agrees with me in saying that it is the “ONLY WAY” Many so-called salafis so alot of harsh things about Br. Bilal but I have yet to see any proof, rather just alot of Ghayba (backbiting) May Allah azza wa Jall guide us and protect us from bid’ah , backbiting and shirk in ALL there forms. Oh, and Yasir Qadhi, I do not know enough about him to make an accurate statement regarding his mihaj but as far as I know, he is salafi also. Allahu Alim Jazakum Allahu Khairun for you time.

    84. Bint Awni June 24th, 2008 at 6:11 pm

      Asalamu alaikum brothers & sisters, I did not watch the Dispatches programme and I would not want to. Such propaganda only means to increase divisions between us. But I would like to say to all Muslims…Allah (SWT) says in the Quran that there will be 73 groups in Islam. We must realise that this is a warning to us that we should not be divided in our faith for that ultimately will lead to our demise in this life and the next. How do we know which sect to follow? It is simple, our Prophet (PBUH) only had one example, not the Islam of his parents, his Pirs, his Sheikh or Wali just the true Islam of Allah (SWT) and the Quran and that is all we need.
      To think that you need anything more than the Quran is to believe that Allah (SWT’s) message is incomplete. Surah 6:155. And this is a Book which We have revealed as a blessing: so follow it and be righteous, that ye may receive mercy. More to the point lets bring back the Ummah, Allah has only 1 name for us Muslims. I suggest everyone here watch the following 1-5 videos http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=UOmRDo0XIgM
      this may give us all an understanding of why Allah wants us united in faith inshallah.

      Thank you

    85. Khadija June 25th, 2008 at 7:41 pm

      i try my best to respect the public figures of islam

      i actually liked bilal phillips response better than yasir qadhi’s

      i’ve heard that yasir qadhi has declared many scholars to be outside of what he calls ahl al sunnah wal jamaah from a reliable source that heard him with his own ears
      it’s hard for me to sit and listen to his unity speech when i know that he openly declares many people to be not sunni when he’s teaching
      but maybe it’s shaytan getting to me

      all in all the show dispatches was pretty bad…regardless of how we feel about these 2 public figures the show was cut and pasted and we should all be against this dispatches thing

      remember shaykh hamza was in the same position(kind of) after 9/11 when he said something inciting in a speech in the 90s

    86. Ahmad July 27th, 2008 at 2:45 am

      i dont get what the fuss is about..

      Can anyone explain these terms in unbiased view and give some links to history?

      – Salafi
      – Sufi
      – Aqidah

    87. Ahmad July 27th, 2008 at 2:46 am

      wahabbi too

    88. JC July 28th, 2008 at 1:06 am

      I accidentally ran into this website through a link.

      I would like to say that every single person on this blog is a geek. You are all wasting your time writing about these things.

      Especially the fake punks who think they are defending the scholars by replying to internet blogs. Lol are you kidding? Your blood boils so you start typing words on an internet blog? Get a life

      Has any of this ranting benefited anyone? No – I know it didn’t for me. The reason I am posting this is because I wasted 5 minutes of my life reading this crap of yours.

      I think the best thing for Muslims is to STOP USING THE INTERNET COMPLETELY. There is too much pornography and bad images. Even when you log into you yahoo, hotmail, etc, you will see pictuers of women or men you are not allowed to, even though its not pornography. You are ruining your health by sitting down all day and becoming a fat lazy bum. And you are obviously wasting your time reading and responding to blogs, instead of gaining rewards for your afterlife and doing something truly good.

      As for the people who are browsing the web for the truth, and trying to gain knowledge – It is very difficult to do so online. Sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do, but please try and connect with a righteous person to seek knowledge.

      As for the person who runs this website, TAKE THE BLOG section off brother. You are letting people curse each other out on your website at an astonishing rate. Do you know you will share in every bad thing or lie that is said on this website because of the fact that you actually have the cord/plug to stop it?? Please brother, save yourself.

      My advice to everyone, and I sincerely mean it, stop using the internet, get off your butt, and take a walk outside. If you feel like going on the internet, throw your computer out the window and take a walk outside. I can assure you that you will run into someone or something that will force you to do something good. Maybe a poor man, maybe an animal that needs food, maybe a stick in the road you can move, maybe a lonely passer by, maybe your next door neighbor you never talk to who you will see on the day of Judgement.

      GET OFF THE INTERNET, STOP BEING A FREAKING GEEK WHO HAS NO LIFE, STOP BEING PATHETIC, HAVE SOME COURAGE AND LIVE IN THE REAL WORLD BEFORE YOU die. I just heard about a few Muslims dying this past week. It’s coming – maybe you will die after you read this, who knows….lets all make a commitment to stop wasting our lives.

      Asalamu Alaykum

    89. bagpuss December 11th, 2008 at 8:25 am

      undercover mosque fantastic programme shows the true root of fundermentalism that is is seated in wahabi /salafi fundermentalism, to [practise takfir is debase for sure and it started about 90 years ago by the salafi/deobandis call the majority idol worshipper so sheikh yaser qadhi calling The erudate and magnificant Imam , sayyed imam maliki al alawi a shirk commiter is tantamount to saying he has commited kur because some one who makes shiork has attributed poartners to god therefore does not hold the creed of one god (the tawheed) so therefore by logic an dassociation has become a kafr. Imam maliki is decentednt of the ahlul bayt and is from hounourable line of shaiekhs, scholars and shareef where as yasir qadhi is a son of a marasi and canjaery in comparison. imam malkie had over 200 permissions (sanads) to treach the deen what does mr yasir qadhi anhd his partner in kufr bilal philips have degrees from islamic unicversity of madina, so did 15 of the 19 9/11 bombers…….fanatcism is born out of ignorence!!!!!!!!!! to call a muslem a kafir one of myou is a kafr imama maliki was a saintly scholar so guess yasir and his pal (philips) should renew their iman again and re do their nikahs’ any way weldone to channel 4 for being brave enough to show the salafi movement for what it is a bunch of fanatical hate peddlers (keep up the good work channel 4) – the majority of muslems are not fanatical nor into supporting or purpetrating acts of terrorism
      ______________________________________________________
      at tareequtus suhbat wal khairuj jamiyatu
      our way is the way of association and gooddness is in the majority

    90. Salafi Takfiri=Hatemonger July 19th, 2009 at 2:01 am

      Responses from two Salafi takfiri hatemongers

    91. Zora_olsen October 9th, 2009 at 9:02 am

      Asalam Alaikum,

      I think we all need to be careful with what we say. Remember the sins of the tonue, and also throwing accusations without proof. And I don’t mean, ‘I heard’, ‘he said’, etc. Also placing people into groups etc, does not detract from the good they say. If tomorrow someone I hated came to me to give me some advice, and I knew it would improve me in some way, I would take it. People must not be taken to be perfect, they can make mistakes, they can misunderstand, or it may be the case you made the mistake and misunderstood. There is an etiquette to be followed when mentioning people of knowledge, or Muslims in general. I think we also need to look to ourselves first, and try to become better Muslims, before attacking others with an unforgiving nature. Someone may have realised their mistake and asked forgiveness. Let’s just pray Allah shows His mercy towards us and them and guide us all.

      Salam.

    92. Hanzala Mir April 15th, 2010 at 9:58 am

      I read a hadith which said that Muslims later on will be divided into 73 sects…72 will go into Hell-Fire and 1 will go to Jannah…. the 1 to go to Jannah are those who follow the Sunnah and the Quran…. instead of debating over these stuff why don’t u follow the Saheeh Sunnah and the Quran? and every sheep has a black community so Allah Knows Best about whom they are,someone can learn all the Islamic knowledge yet he acts like a Faasiq(person who knows that something is Haram yet he still does it).
      in our times nowdays people take bad things as something good and good times as something bad. i highly say to people go to wikipedia and read the Article on Salafi it is really helpful and will make alot of misconceptions clear… Another thing all of us should pray to Allah to show us the Right Path cause on our own searching for the truth we’re all totally hopeless and might end up onto a path which leads us to hell. Even the most knowledgeable people can go astray there is a Hadith which said that there will be so much Fitnah(Corruption) that a person is a Beleiver in the morning (e.g. doing good deeds and being a good person) and by Night time he is a Kafir (e.g. going into Haram acts, cursing, and )vice -versa if you want to really follow Islam Pray to Allah to show you the Right Path do your own learning as well Read the Saheeh(Authentic) Ahadiths from Saheeh Bhukari, Muslim etc. and read the Quran with an open heart and understand it’s meaning with translation if you don’t understand Arabic not just go read a surah and close the Quran…… Sincerely keep asking Allah since only He can guide us to the Right Path and not the Scholars of Islam,bear in mind they too were Guided by Allah and not their own learning………Jazakallahu Khair

    93. Aboo Moosaa July 26th, 2010 at 8:57 am

      Programmes like this are made to alianate the Muslims in general amongst the non-Muslims and specifically dividing the Muslim Ummaf further. Salafi Dawah id the true, the true and original Islam brought y Prohet Muhammad and as understood by his Companions. Like all other religions, one needs to do research and compare to come to the conclusion which religion is the treu religion for him/her. Likewise one needs to research all the Islamic sects and groups to come to a conclusion as to which is the one upon that which Parophet Muhammad and his companions were upon, That is none other than, follow the Book of Allaah and the Sunnah the Rasool [s] as understood by the Companions and the Ulamah who followed them strictly from the past and present. This saved and victorious group is known by many different names and terminologies, such as; Salafi Dawah, Ahlul-Hadeeth, Ahlul-Athar, Ahlus-Sunnah wal-Jam’ah, Firqatun Najiyah, Taifatul Mansoorah….If you dont believe it, then do you own research. Shaykh Bilal Philips, Abu Usama, Suhaib Hasan and other than them who have been highlited in thsi programme are all from the Salafi Dawah. Their words have been distorted and taken out of context. No surprise there. One by one all forms of Islam will be attacked.

    94. Aboo Moosaa July 26th, 2010 at 9:01 am

      Salafis are at the foremost and Saudi Arabia aswell to condemn terrorism and suicide bombings in all its forms. Killing of civilians etc.
      as it goes aganist Islamic teachings.

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