Comments on: The rise and fall of the ’salafi dawah’ in the US http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2007/01/31/the-rise-and-fall-of-the-salafi-dawah-in-the-us/ Not the average Muslim blog... Tue, 06 Jan 2009 09:51:09 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: The Rise of American Salafism into Mainstream Islam | MR's Blog http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2007/01/31/the-rise-and-fall-of-the-salafi-dawah-in-the-us/comment-page-1/#comment-122096 The Rise of American Salafism into Mainstream Islam | MR's Blog Sun, 12 Oct 2008 05:31:58 +0000 http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2007/01/31/the-rise-and-fall-of-the-salafi-dawah-in-the-us/#comment-122096 [...] of the Middle East (Specifically Saudi Arabia) and the one in America?  Umar Lee described the rise and fall of Saudi Salafism in America, so what I am saying is that there is a brand new reviving movement in which I’m calling [...] [...] of the Middle East (Specifically Saudi Arabia) and the one in America?  Umar Lee described the rise and fall of Saudi Salafism in America, so what I am saying is that there is a brand new reviving movement in which I’m calling [...]

]]> By: Saleh Al-Ifreekee http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2007/01/31/the-rise-and-fall-of-the-salafi-dawah-in-the-us/comment-page-1/#comment-47351 Saleh Al-Ifreekee Thu, 19 Jul 2007 15:57:00 +0000 http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2007/01/31/the-rise-and-fall-of-the-salafi-dawah-in-the-us/#comment-47351 Assalamu alaykum I just cant believe some of you actually believe asha'aree/matureedee is the way of the salaf. Have you ever researched how both were greatly influenced by mu3tazilah which greatly infuenced by Greek philosophy. So the chain of narration looks like this: Greek Philosophy > Mu3tazilah > Matureedee/Acharee as for the way of the salaf, the chain of narration goes back to the prophet. How do I know this? because there are so many evidences. For instance, from the Quran we have ayah like Ar-Rahman Al-3arsh istawa. From the hadith we have the hadith of the sahabi who freed the slave girl after the prophet vouched for her as believer after she said my Lord is on the 3arsh. Of course we dont know how and why but we believe in it. So there are so many evidences that proves the creed of the salaf to be correct and the way of khalaf to be wrong. If you are sincere in your quest for the truth, I refer you to the work of a former matrudee, Shaykh Shams as-Salafi al-Afghaanee, The Maturidi Creed. It is free e-book from salafimanhaj.com. May Allah gather us in Jannah, ameen! Assalamu alaykum

I just cant believe some of you actually believe asha’aree/matureedee is the way of the salaf. Have you ever researched how both were greatly influenced by mu3tazilah which greatly infuenced by Greek philosophy. So the chain of narration looks like this:

Greek Philosophy > Mu3tazilah > Matureedee/Acharee

as for the way of the salaf, the chain of narration goes back to the prophet. How do I know this? because there are so many evidences. For instance, from the Quran we have ayah like Ar-Rahman Al-3arsh istawa. From the hadith we have the hadith of the sahabi who freed the slave girl after the prophet vouched for her as believer after she said my Lord is on the 3arsh. Of course we dont know how and why but we believe in it. So there are so many evidences that proves the creed of the salaf to be correct and the way of khalaf to be wrong.

If you are sincere in your quest for the truth, I refer you to the work of a former matrudee, Shaykh Shams as-Salafi al-Afghaanee, The Maturidi Creed. It is free e-book from salafimanhaj.com.

May Allah gather us in Jannah, ameen!

]]> By: Musa Millington http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2007/01/31/the-rise-and-fall-of-the-salafi-dawah-in-the-us/comment-page-1/#comment-46951 Musa Millington Sun, 15 Jul 2007 03:54:02 +0000 http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2007/01/31/the-rise-and-fall-of-the-salafi-dawah-in-the-us/#comment-46951 link check these trinisalafis in denial of the narrative from their american kindred spirits No one is in denial. In fact I do talk with Umar Lee so that we as Trinidadians can avoid the mistakes that brothers and sisters may have made in America. And Alhamdu Lillah Umar himself is glad of the fact that the Da'wah is spreading in Trinidad. His series was definitely an eye opener. And I hope that it would be a lesson for brothers in Trinidad who are callers to Allah. Musa link check these trinisalafis in denial of the narrative from their american kindred spirits

No one is in denial. In fact I do talk with Umar Lee so that we as Trinidadians can avoid the mistakes that brothers and sisters may have made in America. And Alhamdu Lillah Umar himself is glad of the fact that the Da’wah is spreading in Trinidad.
His series was definitely an eye opener. And I hope that it would be a lesson for brothers in Trinidad who are callers to Allah.

Musa

]]> By: Mona http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2007/01/31/the-rise-and-fall-of-the-salafi-dawah-in-the-us/comment-page-1/#comment-19694 Mona Tue, 20 Feb 2007 07:59:13 +0000 http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2007/01/31/the-rise-and-fall-of-the-salafi-dawah-in-the-us/#comment-19694 I just want to let you guys know that...you guys are all extremely "stupid"...ignorant is merely to polite to say so i say it again "STUPID". Let face the fact...Sufi is for those who love possesion. Salafi...um its not really considered a sect, but knowing that the 80% of sunni muslim around the globle follow the teachings of the prophet his sompanions and theones after him. So please stop the debate...USELESS...GOD has already chosn his messengers and commanders and scholars of Islam...so let them play thier purposeful duty so that they can enetr heaven in peace...as for you...? Also Hamzah Yusuf is a sufi...he went to possession world to learn his "so called Islam" trust me ppl i am from north africa...its messed up there....in other words "it would be the last place i'd go to learn my Islam" I just want to let you guys know that…you guys are all extremely “stupid”…ignorant is merely to polite to say so i say it again “STUPID”.

Let face the fact…Sufi is for those who love possesion. Salafi…um its not really considered a sect, but knowing that the 80% of sunni muslim around the globle follow the teachings of the prophet his sompanions and theones after him.

So please stop the debate…USELESS…GOD has already chosn his messengers and commanders and scholars of Islam…so let them play thier purposeful duty so that they can enetr heaven in peace…as for you…?

Also Hamzah Yusuf is a sufi…he went to possession world to learn his “so called Islam”

trust me ppl i am from north africa…its messed up there….in other words “it would be the last place i’d go to learn my Islam”

]]> By: anybody http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2007/01/31/the-rise-and-fall-of-the-salafi-dawah-in-the-us/comment-page-1/#comment-18970 anybody Tue, 13 Feb 2007 18:42:33 +0000 http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2007/01/31/the-rise-and-fall-of-the-salafi-dawah-in-the-us/#comment-18970 right on bro! each group has their setbacks and the ignorant among them. What is your email address, I can email you information about educational websites that will benefit you. And also beware of the chatrooms in any of the groups, totally psychopaths run it. I tell you part of the reason why salafism is so aagh! to alot of people is the converts nonsense and the Arab racism prevalent in people claiming to be part of the salafee crowd that is my two cents. (I am an insider I would know....) right on bro!

each group has their setbacks and the ignorant among them.

What is your email address, I can email you information about educational websites that will benefit you.

And also beware of the chatrooms in any of the groups, totally psychopaths run it.

I tell you part of the reason why salafism is so aagh! to alot of people is the converts nonsense
and the Arab racism prevalent in people claiming to be part of the salafee crowd
that is my two cents.

(I am an insider I would know….)

]]> By: Sal http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2007/01/31/the-rise-and-fall-of-the-salafi-dawah-in-the-us/comment-page-1/#comment-18955 Sal Tue, 13 Feb 2007 10:01:23 +0000 http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2007/01/31/the-rise-and-fall-of-the-salafi-dawah-in-the-us/#comment-18955 I think the article was one of the best i've read in ages. However, I think almaghrib is smart about this very issue and should not waste time in saudi arabia and whether we should support the government of saudi arabia. Nuh Keller does not talk about whether he supports or is against the Jordanian government in his website even though his institute is in Amman. Why should almaghrib talk about saudi arabia when the "traditionalist" dont talk about the countries that they are free to roam around. [Comment ID #18109 Will Be Quoted Here] With all due respect quoting islamica as one of your evidence does not really prove anything. I remember when i first went on islamica i was new to the whole sufi-salafi debate. I felt that i was turned away more from traditional islam by the how the so-called "traditionalists" who mocked and laughed at the salafis who obviously were not fit to the challenge. It was basically what TROID/Spubs did but the other side of the coin. That's why i'm sticking with Al-Maghrib; not because its the best but because anything else outthere is so far from what i feel is the truth. Both TROID/SPUBS/supersalafees and the traditionalists turned me away with their extreme sectarianism. I feel that no group on this planet is perfect. That's what its best not to stick with any group or personality which is exactly what many of the salafis and sufis do. I think the article was one of the best i’ve read in ages. However, I think almaghrib is smart about this very issue and should not waste time in saudi arabia and whether we should support the government of saudi arabia. Nuh Keller does not talk about whether he supports or is against the Jordanian government in his website even though his institute is in Amman. Why should almaghrib talk about saudi arabia when the “traditionalist” dont talk about the countries that they are free to roam around.

jinnzaman on January 31, 2007 at 11:19 am said:

Assalamu alaikum

His posts were excellent, but he completely ignored the role of Traditional ‘Ulema in the process of the marginalization of the Salafi dawah.

I address this point on my blog:
http://jinnzaman.blogspot.com

masalama

With all due respect quoting islamica as one of your evidence does not really prove anything. I remember when i first went on islamica i was new to the whole sufi-salafi debate. I felt that i was turned away more from traditional islam by the how the so-called “traditionalists” who mocked and laughed at the salafis who obviously were not fit to the challenge. It was basically what TROID/Spubs did but the other side of the coin. That’s why i’m sticking with Al-Maghrib; not because its the best but because anything else outthere is so far from what i feel is the truth. Both TROID/SPUBS/supersalafees and the traditionalists turned me away with their extreme sectarianism. I feel that no group on this planet is perfect. That’s what its best not to stick with any group or personality which is exactly what many of the salafis and sufis do.

]]> By: anybody http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2007/01/31/the-rise-and-fall-of-the-salafi-dawah-in-the-us/comment-page-1/#comment-18930 anybody Tue, 13 Feb 2007 05:48:36 +0000 http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2007/01/31/the-rise-and-fall-of-the-salafi-dawah-in-the-us/#comment-18930 actualy they dont really follow Imaam Abu Haneefah's teaching, it is his school of thought and Abu Yusuf's teaching really ;) actualy they dont really follow Imaam Abu Haneefah’s teaching, it is his school of thought and Abu Yusuf’s teaching really ;)

]]> By: Ahmed.A.A http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2007/01/31/the-rise-and-fall-of-the-salafi-dawah-in-the-us/comment-page-1/#comment-18899 Ahmed.A.A Mon, 12 Feb 2007 21:52:17 +0000 http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2007/01/31/the-rise-and-fall-of-the-salafi-dawah-in-the-us/#comment-18899 Salafi take upon all 4 school of thoughts ther not ignorant like hanafees who refuse to follow anything but imam hanefees teaching!!! im proud the salafis are voicing the true muslims out there unlike Sufis they water down the religion just to please the Kuffars thank god im not living in the US where the sufi council is in charge!!!! Salafi take upon all 4 school of thoughts ther not ignorant like hanafees who refuse to follow anything but imam hanefees teaching!!! im proud the salafis are voicing the true muslims out there unlike Sufis they water down the religion just to please the Kuffars thank god im not living in the US where the sufi council is in charge!!!!

]]> By: Name calling http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2007/01/31/the-rise-and-fall-of-the-salafi-dawah-in-the-us/comment-page-1/#comment-18673 Name calling Wed, 07 Feb 2007 19:19:06 +0000 http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2007/01/31/the-rise-and-fall-of-the-salafi-dawah-in-the-us/#comment-18673 Wasabi is name calling also. I know sufis got tired of being the humble patient ones they had to respond to salafee attacks one day :) Also, for 1400 years, the opinions of sufis were not the only one present, they were just the majority of the cases or what the masses were doing. There were scholars for 1400years with ideas I should say of salafiyyah. I admit salafees are arrogant and obnoxious(a lot of them) and people of tassawwuf are humble(EXCEPT IF THEY ARE AMERICAN BORN AND RAISED). So you people are arrogant screwed bunch of american muslims, salafee or sufi. You guys dont even know how to be a muslim and you are going to be bickering over this and never grow up to be men and fight until your grave and until your kids are eaten alive by shaytaan, your real enemy. Wasabi is name calling also.

I know sufis got tired of being the humble patient ones they had to respond to salafee attacks one day :)

Also, for 1400 years, the opinions of sufis were not the only one present, they were just the majority of the cases or what the masses were doing.
There were scholars for 1400years with ideas I should say of salafiyyah.

I admit salafees are arrogant and obnoxious(a lot of them) and people of tassawwuf are humble(EXCEPT IF THEY ARE AMERICAN BORN AND RAISED).

So you people are arrogant screwed bunch of american muslims, salafee or sufi.

You guys dont even know how to be a muslim and you are going to be bickering over this and never grow up to be men and fight until your grave and until your kids are eaten alive by shaytaan, your real enemy.

]]> By: justme http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2007/01/31/the-rise-and-fall-of-the-salafi-dawah-in-the-us/comment-page-1/#comment-18641 justme Wed, 07 Feb 2007 06:12:03 +0000 http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2007/01/31/the-rise-and-fall-of-the-salafi-dawah-in-the-us/#comment-18641 Im with Jinnzaman. 'wasabis' are hilarious people. Im with Jinnzaman.
‘wasabis’ are hilarious people.

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