Comments on: RANDicalization of the Ummah http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2007/03/30/randicalization-of-the-ummah/ Not the average Muslim blog... Sun, 14 Mar 2010 23:26:12 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Mujahideen Ryder http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2007/03/30/randicalization-of-the-ummah/comment-page-2/#comment-30891 Mujahideen Ryder Wed, 18 Apr 2007 02:50:15 +0000 http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2007/03/30/randicalization-of-the-ummah/#comment-30891 [Comment ID #30887 Will Be Quoted Here] You can wear whatever you want in Egypt, Palestine, Syria, Iraq, Kuwait, UAE, Pakistan, Afghanistan. I never blame the West, it's our fault. The Muslims and our 'great' (sarcastic) leaders. What are they doing with the oil money? That's a damn good question man! Also, none of those countries are mine. The only countries I lived in are the United States and Canada. Those are my countries. Peace

mack on April 17, 2007 at 9:31 pm said:

You are all wacked in the head….When we come to your muslim countries we are forced to dress a ceratin way….when muslims come to western countries for the most part they can wear what they want…..

You all get mad and blame all your troubles on the west……wtf are your leaders doing with the oil money????? and our aid money?????

Perhaps more tolarance, education and work ethic might help out your sorry place in the world. Im speaking generally of middle eastern muslims…as for you others go live there and stop enjoying our western freedoms..

and yes I have been to that part of the world, work molre then 4 hours a day and perhaps your lot and lives will improve…

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You can wear whatever you want in Egypt, Palestine, Syria, Iraq, Kuwait, UAE, Pakistan, Afghanistan.

I never blame the West, it’s our fault. The Muslims and our ‘great’ (sarcastic) leaders.

What are they doing with the oil money? That’s a damn good question man!

Also, none of those countries are mine. The only countries I lived in are the United States and Canada. Those are my countries.

Peace

]]> By: mack http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2007/03/30/randicalization-of-the-ummah/comment-page-2/#comment-30887 mack Wed, 18 Apr 2007 01:31:45 +0000 http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2007/03/30/randicalization-of-the-ummah/#comment-30887 You are all wacked in the head....When we come to your muslim countries we are forced to dress a ceratin way....when muslims come to western countries for the most part they can wear what they want..... You all get mad and blame all your troubles on the west......wtf are your leaders doing with the oil money????? and our aid money????? Perhaps more tolarance, education and work ethic might help out your sorry place in the world. Im speaking generally of middle eastern muslims...as for you others go live there and stop enjoying our western freedoms.. and yes I have been to that part of the world, work molre then 4 hours a day and perhaps your lot and lives will improve... end rant You are all wacked in the head….When we come to your muslim countries we are forced to dress a ceratin way….when muslims come to western countries for the most part they can wear what they want…..

You all get mad and blame all your troubles on the west……wtf are your leaders doing with the oil money????? and our aid money?????

Perhaps more tolarance, education and work ethic might help out your sorry place in the world. Im speaking generally of middle eastern muslims…as for you others go live there and stop enjoying our western freedoms..

and yes I have been to that part of the world, work molre then 4 hours a day and perhaps your lot and lives will improve…

end rant

]]> By: giorgio http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2007/03/30/randicalization-of-the-ummah/comment-page-2/#comment-30808 giorgio Tue, 17 Apr 2007 05:12:01 +0000 http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2007/03/30/randicalization-of-the-ummah/#comment-30808 I will end here . thanks for understanding. pray for me and i will pray for you, but let us stop at expecting others to follow laws that they dont subscribe to. the only laws we are bound to on earth are secular laws we we ascribe to according to our citizenship. religious laws need only be followed by believers. If muslims do this then they are my brothers and sisters, if they try to coerce or force others then they are my enemies. this goes for other religions as well. peace and Love. giorgio I will end here . thanks for understanding. pray for me and i will pray for you, but let us stop at expecting others to follow laws that they dont subscribe to. the only laws we are bound to on earth are secular laws we we ascribe to according to our citizenship. religious laws need only be followed by believers. If muslims do this then they are my brothers and sisters, if they try to coerce or force others then they are my enemies. this goes for other religions as well.

peace
and Love.

giorgio

]]> By: Mujahideen Ryder http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2007/03/30/randicalization-of-the-ummah/comment-page-2/#comment-30793 Mujahideen Ryder Tue, 17 Apr 2007 02:27:40 +0000 http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2007/03/30/randicalization-of-the-ummah/#comment-30793 Hey Giorgio, Thanks for the concern you have for us Muslims. I pray that we are all guided upon the right path. The path of Adam, Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad, peace and blessings of God be upon them all. Peace! :-D Hey Giorgio,

Thanks for the concern you have for us Muslims. I pray that we are all guided upon the right path. The path of Adam, Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad, peace and blessings of God be upon them all.

Peace! :-D

]]> By: mehnaz miraj gibson http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2007/03/30/randicalization-of-the-ummah/comment-page-2/#comment-30787 mehnaz miraj gibson Mon, 16 Apr 2007 23:25:25 +0000 http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2007/03/30/randicalization-of-the-ummah/#comment-30787 Giorgio, Prayer by its very act is submission. It is in any faith letting go of our animilistic base selves and touching the divinity within us. We are of Allah as He created us for a specific purpose...to worship Him under all states and conditions. Islam tells us to pray to keep a connection with Allah. Prayer is life-stuff. You can never be God. You can only aspire to be his slave..that is what Muslims wish to do, willingly. The Muslim path keeps us humble at all times...and there are no strains of human weakness in the Quran. It is the divine guidance given as a mercy to mankind, via the Blessed Messanger (swas) to help us curtail our ego and love Allah. You have very strict morals. You a person who is almost pure. It would be extremely unchristian to judge the love Muslims have for Allah and His Prophet. Do not punish yourself for sinning. Do not punish yourself for wanting a faith that transcends the physical...do not punish others for finding their path...Muslims are told to enjoy life too, and we do. We are not austere. I am begining to sense that the Muslims on this site excite your passions because we are trying to be pure in our faith. Please continue with the dialoge. The readers and MR are very sincere and do thier homework. I know this gives you peace. Salam. MR, thank you for letting me write. Giorgio,
Prayer by its very act is submission. It is in any faith letting go of our animilistic base selves and touching the divinity within us. We are of Allah as He created us for a specific purpose…to worship Him under all states and conditions. Islam tells us to pray to keep a connection with Allah. Prayer is life-stuff. You can never be God. You can only aspire to be his slave..that is what Muslims wish to do, willingly. The Muslim path keeps us humble at all times…and there are no strains of human weakness in the Quran. It is the divine guidance given as a mercy to mankind, via the Blessed Messanger (swas) to help us curtail our ego and love Allah.
You have very strict morals. You a person who is almost pure. It would be extremely unchristian to judge the love Muslims have for Allah and His Prophet. Do not punish yourself for sinning. Do not punish yourself for wanting a faith that transcends the physical…do not punish others for finding their path…Muslims are told to enjoy life too, and we do. We are not austere. I am begining to sense that the Muslims on this site excite your passions because we are trying to be pure in our faith. Please continue with the dialoge. The readers and MR are very sincere and do thier homework. I know this gives you peace. Salam.
MR, thank you for letting me write.

]]> By: Giorgio http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2007/03/30/randicalization-of-the-ummah/comment-page-2/#comment-30749 Giorgio Mon, 16 Apr 2007 11:24:26 +0000 http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2007/03/30/randicalization-of-the-ummah/#comment-30749 MR, Your prophet told me through the quryaish and every other future civilisation that islam confronted to accept Islam or die. Muslims need not repeat such a phrase individually to make it their creed. It already is your creed. All the laws of mutual beneficience that exist in islam are to be respected between muslims alone. Outsiders are criticized, mocked,subjugated and /or killed. What do you think the origins of the word "islam" really stands for? Submission can be voluntary or it is coerced. submission is totalitarian in nature, whereas faith is 100% voluntary, no threat is necessary. Muhammed led by threat and example. Jesus and Buddha led by invitation and example, the only threat was conceivably hell fire. Nothing ever suggested a punishment in this life. Love and forgiveness are essential qualities of the God/man relationship.When God coerces,particularly requiring submission in this life or the threat of death or suffering, he ceases to allow one the freedom to love, honor and respect him. My design for being on this site or any muslim site is because I see otherwise intelligent well meaning people being led down the road to mutual self destruction because some guy many years ago mentioned that God spoke to him then proceeded to prove to us that God is a vengeful, hateful totalitarian imperialist who wants us to respect and honor him or else. If you all sit down and think this out, the same reason you reject the west, or the US or christianity, or whatever is because they impose themselves , in one form or another on you or those you love and respect. Why is it you allow a man from arabia, or God impose things on you? things that are contrary to reason or common humanity? why, ask yourself, should a person die for criticizing another human being (dead or alive)? Because a book that this guy recited says so? because subsequent followers of him said so? Why cant the all powerful God speak to us in other means? if he wanted he message to get around why give it to this one or that one alone? Something is missing here? A spirit of hope , a spirit of reason. This is why i say that prayer is the only sustainer. ultimately it is what sustained the prophets including muhammed before he received revelations. it should be the one thing that keeps us from following the wrong path! My being here as an intruder in your lives, is harmless really accept that it is hoped that it will challennge you to give your life and faith more perspective. Your thoughtful responses to my arguments challenge me as well. Plus I would prefer to exchange words with you here in the battlefield of ideas rather than outside on the battlefield that exists in Iraq, afghanistan and on the streets of other countries. Gibson, I have studied theology, christian , buddhist, islamic hindu etc on my own and at universities but it is prayer that allows me to understand what is of God. Prayer helps me see the strains of human weeakness that exist in the bible so that i am not given to extreme unchristian actions. though I fail occassional, my hope is that I havent done too much damage, but God understands I am not Him. MR your answer to the hadith question troubles me! does it trouble you at all? pray for strength! MR,

Your prophet told me through the quryaish and every other future civilisation that islam confronted to accept Islam or die. Muslims need not repeat such a phrase individually to make it their creed. It already is your creed. All the laws of mutual beneficience that exist in islam are to be respected between muslims alone. Outsiders are criticized, mocked,subjugated and /or killed. What do you think the origins of the word “islam” really stands for? Submission can be voluntary or it is coerced.

submission is totalitarian in nature, whereas faith is 100% voluntary, no threat is necessary. Muhammed led by threat and example. Jesus and Buddha led by invitation and example, the only threat was conceivably hell fire. Nothing ever suggested a punishment in this life. Love and forgiveness are essential qualities of the God/man relationship.When God coerces,particularly requiring submission in this life or the threat of death or suffering, he ceases to allow one the freedom to love, honor and respect him.

My design for being on this site or any muslim site is because I see otherwise intelligent well meaning people being led down the road to mutual self destruction because some guy many years ago mentioned that God spoke to him then proceeded to prove to us that God is a vengeful, hateful totalitarian imperialist who wants us to respect and honor him or else.

If you all sit down and think this out, the same reason you reject the west, or the US or christianity, or whatever is because they impose themselves , in one form or another on you or those you love and respect. Why is it you allow a man from arabia, or God impose things on you? things that are contrary to reason or common humanity? why, ask yourself, should a person die for criticizing another human being (dead or alive)? Because a book that this guy recited says so? because subsequent followers of him said so? Why cant the all powerful God speak to us in other means? if he wanted he message to get around why give it to this one or that one alone?

Something is missing here? A spirit of hope , a spirit of reason. This is why i say that prayer is the only sustainer. ultimately it is what sustained the prophets including muhammed before he received revelations. it should be the one thing that keeps us from following the wrong path! My being here as an intruder in your lives, is harmless really accept that it is hoped that it will challennge you to give your life and faith more perspective. Your thoughtful responses to my arguments challenge me as well.

Plus I would prefer to exchange words with you here in the battlefield of ideas rather than outside on the battlefield that exists in Iraq, afghanistan and on the streets of other countries.

Gibson,

I have studied theology, christian , buddhist, islamic hindu etc on my own and at universities but it is prayer that allows me to understand what is of God. Prayer helps me see the strains of human weeakness that exist in the bible so that i am not given to extreme unchristian actions. though I fail occassional, my hope is that I havent done too much damage, but God understands I am not Him.

MR your answer to the hadith question troubles me! does it trouble you at all? pray for strength!

]]> By: mehnaz miraj gibson http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2007/03/30/randicalization-of-the-ummah/comment-page-2/#comment-30666 mehnaz miraj gibson Sun, 15 Apr 2007 03:40:19 +0000 http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2007/03/30/randicalization-of-the-ummah/#comment-30666 In a debate the status quo is very important. As I have asked before what is your reference...you stated prayer...once again what is your starting point for prayer..you claim to be a Christian who does not have any text to cite from...you stated prayer...so be it..was this prayer divine revelation? Jesus, a prophet of Allah was versed in Hebrew literature and used the psalms and the Torah as a reference point. Each response has been kind to you. Noone can make you a believer unless you take the first step. If you need so much concrete evidence then your reasoning is faulty. You state you believe in the divinity of Christ by the power of prayer ( I am assuming without guidance)..yet, you attack those who have the texts as being unreliable. Soren Kierkegarrd reached faith by jumping into it...he spent a lifetime reasoning... I read your passion for wanting faith...you want conviction but it has to come from within...you have jailed your mind...free it...go with the force kind of thing...faith is the most interpersonal realtionship you will have... Now, I thought this post was originally about the Rand report..which is 217 pages of repetative nonsense.. . .however, there are many orgainzations listed in the report which would be ideal places for college scholorships...there is a lot of money out there to gain Muslim minds.. please check out the asia foundation as a starting point.. . for those of you who are interested in higher degrees harvard has a great program islamic studies with money available. I promised myself I would not write ...this forum is for younger people and I feel awkward...I apologize and thank you. In a debate the status quo is very important. As I have asked before what is your reference…you stated prayer…once again what is your starting point for prayer..you claim to be a Christian who does not have any text to cite from…you stated prayer…so be it..was this prayer divine revelation? Jesus, a prophet of Allah was versed in Hebrew literature and used the psalms and the Torah as a reference point.
Each response has been kind to you. Noone can make you a believer unless you take the first step. If you need so much concrete evidence then your reasoning is faulty. You state you believe in the divinity of Christ by the power of prayer ( I am assuming without guidance)..yet, you attack those who have the texts as being unreliable. Soren Kierkegarrd reached faith by jumping into it…he spent a lifetime reasoning…
I read your passion for wanting faith…you want conviction but it has to come from within…you have jailed your mind…free it…go with the force kind of thing…faith is the most interpersonal realtionship you will have…
Now, I thought this post was originally about the Rand report..which is 217 pages of repetative nonsense.. . .however, there are many orgainzations listed in the report which would be ideal places for college scholorships…there is a lot of money out there to gain Muslim minds.. please check out the asia foundation as a starting point..
. for those of you who are interested in higher degrees harvard has a great program islamic studies with money available.
I promised myself I would not write …this forum is for younger people and I feel awkward…I apologize and thank you.

]]> By: Nameless http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2007/03/30/randicalization-of-the-ummah/comment-page-1/#comment-30549 Nameless Fri, 13 Apr 2007 06:22:48 +0000 http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2007/03/30/randicalization-of-the-ummah/#comment-30549 As-Salam Alaikum I have a question for Giorgio: Why are you here? If you were so confident in your faith, would you come here and harass Muslims, who do nothing but profess their faith. Have any of us attacked you? Your family? It is YOU who is attacking us. We are defending ourselves and our religion. If you really want to learn about Islam, you wouldn't attack a Muslim's Prophet, his beliefs, etc. You wouldn't come here shooting out random interpretations of Qur'anic verses and Hadith that have no basis, except that they came from your mind. Face it, you haven't come here for any reason but to harass us. That makes you a bully. And what does everyone know about bullies? That they attack others to cover up their own insecurities. If you really want knowledge, many of us have clearly told you we'd be more than happy to teach you what little we know. If your here to bother people, however, just get out of here. Honestly, no one wants you here spouting nonsense while failing to pay attention to what anyone has really said. May Allah (SWT) forgive me if I’ve said anything wrong in this Post, and may Allah (SWT) guide all those sincerely looking for the truth towards his perfect way. Ameen And may Allah guide us away from nonsense like equating humans, no matter how noble, to his Perfection. Ameen Salam Alaikum As-Salam Alaikum

I have a question for Giorgio: Why are you here?

If you were so confident in your faith, would you come here and harass Muslims, who do nothing but profess their faith. Have any of us attacked you? Your family? It is YOU who is attacking us. We are defending ourselves and our religion. If you really want to learn about Islam, you wouldn’t attack a Muslim’s Prophet, his beliefs, etc. You wouldn’t come here shooting out random interpretations of Qur’anic verses and Hadith that have no basis, except that they came from your mind. Face it, you haven’t come here for any reason but to harass us. That makes you a bully. And what does everyone know about bullies? That they attack others to cover up their own insecurities.

If you really want knowledge, many of us have clearly told you we’d be more than happy to teach you what little we know. If your here to bother people, however, just get out of here. Honestly, no one wants you here spouting nonsense while failing to pay attention to what anyone has really said.

May Allah (SWT) forgive me if I’ve said anything wrong in this Post, and may Allah (SWT) guide all those sincerely looking for the truth towards his perfect way. Ameen

And may Allah guide us away from nonsense like equating humans, no matter how noble, to his Perfection. Ameen

Salam Alaikum

]]> By: Mujahideen Ryder http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2007/03/30/randicalization-of-the-ummah/comment-page-1/#comment-30548 Mujahideen Ryder Fri, 13 Apr 2007 05:19:33 +0000 http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2007/03/30/randicalization-of-the-ummah/#comment-30548 Hey Giorgio has any Muslim on this site or in your entire life told you: "Accept Islam or die?" Hey Giorgio has any Muslim on this site or in your entire life told you: “Accept Islam or die?”

]]> By: giorgio http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2007/03/30/randicalization-of-the-ummah/comment-page-1/#comment-30537 giorgio Fri, 13 Apr 2007 02:19:51 +0000 http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2007/03/30/randicalization-of-the-ummah/#comment-30537 according to Ishaq Muhammed wasnt attacked it was muslim women, anyways thanks for your honesty. But what is holy ,righteous, or moral about such a reaction? if this is indeed sanctioned as a legitimate response to criticism then couldnt it be conceivable to attack all religious or non religious people who have consciously rejected Islam? Are we not insulting the prophet? such an interpretation is commonplace in pakistan particularly when Christian proclaimm Jesus as divine. Do not democratic principles insult the prophet or Islam? Is it possible that unbelievers are attacking Islam because it is not a personal religion but an over arching ideological attack on all societies? Islam is being attacked precisely because of the original Muhammed call to the people of qurayish" Just say there is no God but Allah and I am the prophet of God and you will have peace", to paraphrase " if you dont say these words , you will have war" Islam is the threat to the world. islam is at war with the world. Islam is imperialistic and tyranical it does not uphold the law of mutual beneficience. it is elitist, intolerant and violent. But that is holiness to you! according to Ishaq Muhammed wasnt attacked it was muslim women, anyways thanks for your honesty. But what is holy ,righteous, or moral about such a reaction?

if this is indeed sanctioned as a legitimate response to criticism then couldnt it be conceivable to attack all religious or non religious people who have consciously rejected Islam? Are we not insulting the prophet? such an interpretation is commonplace in pakistan particularly when Christian proclaimm Jesus as divine.

Do not democratic principles insult the prophet or Islam? Is it possible that unbelievers are attacking Islam because it is not a personal religion but an over arching ideological attack on all societies?

Islam is being attacked precisely because of the original Muhammed call to the people of qurayish” Just say there is no God but Allah and I am the prophet of God and you will have peace”, to paraphrase ” if you dont say these words , you will have war”

Islam is the threat to the world. islam is at war with the world. Islam is imperialistic and tyranical it does not uphold the law of mutual beneficience. it is elitist, intolerant and violent. But that is holiness to you!

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