fulan bin fulan on April 26, 2007 at 8:24 pm said:

Asalamu alaykum,

In times of fitna and hardship there is nothing wrong with using a different name. I’m the same person and I appreciate your true lack of adab and respect given to your fellow brother. Obviously you haven’t benefited much from the mawlids that you’ve attended. I love you and hope that you will relax, calm down and learn to control your anger. It is not befitting of a person of your stature to act in such a manner.

Fulan bin Fulan aka Sahnoon

LOL with over 30 years of experience in dawah, you still don’t know sarcasm. ahhaha

alhamdulillah. please forgive my respected elder. i am still young and make statements which i dont literally mean.

iz all good uncle. inshaAllah if you wish to speak about the mawlid, then it is best to speak with a scholar then a layman like myself.

This is not true. The nasheed gatherings are not considered a “new act of worship.” They are acts of worship in the same way that MSA meetings are acts of worship. As I said above, all of the scholars which allowed mawlid said that if this is believed to be a wajib in din, or a new act of worship, or that it is something which must occur on a certain day then it is haram and innovation.

The scholars who allowed mawlid understood it as seperate good deeds which were all done at the same assembly, it is not a new ritualistic act of worship. In an MSA meeting there is the (a) sharing of knowledge, (b) getting together of Muslims for good purposes, (c) enjoining the good and forbidding the evil, and (d) working for service projects in the community. All of which are good deeds and acts of worship. The MSA meeting is also done on a specific time and specific day every week. Yet we do not call this a new ritualistic act of worship.

The same thing with the mawlid it is the gathering of Muslims to do many different halal and mandub acts such as (a) teaching shari’ah knowledge, (b) reading or listening to Qur’an, and (c) singing nasheed. There is no qiyas because the sahaba and tabi’een did this as something normal in their lives, and we do too- anyone who says that this is a new act of worship to gather and sing nasheeds then this is haram.

Many Malikis absolutely prohibited singing the adhaan in a nice voice or at least said it was disliked because it is according to their proofs a disliked innovation. If you are working hard to steer away from differences of opinion how about you work to ban all sung adhaans in the United States because of that minority difference of opinion (minority in relation to the other 3 schools)?

I ask you for your du’as and masha’Allah for your memorization of the Qur’an, I ask you to insha’Allah pray for us all.

As for my position on hadhra, I am not a faqih, go ask one. I have never attended a hadhra, or whirling ceremony in my entire life.

“Mawlid” in this post means a nasheed gathering, nothing more nothing less. There is no qiyas that I am making because there is no qiyas on two things which are exactly the same thing (nasheed gatherings done by sahaba and tab’ieen are the same thing as ones done today right?) If you are talking about celebrating the Prophet (SAWS)’s birthday then Bin Bayyah has a fatwa on it which is availible at the translator’s website.

Yes, there is ikhtilaf on the matter of gatherings of singing qasidas — as well as reading the Qur’an and adhaan in a nice voice and the beard and halal meat and etc.. However, “why bring nasheed gatherings to America” – well there are many reasons:

(1) The overwhelming majority of scholars allowed them and even recommended them and so those who do it have a valid basis to base their actions on.

(2) The spiritual meanings of the poems encourage people to do good deeds and allow them to reflect upon religious meanings instead of unlawful music which only pollutes the soul with vulgar meanings and takes one away from the remembrance of Allah.

(3) It is a halal form of entertainment unlike unlawful musical instruments, unlawful TV shows, unlawful movies, and unlawful gatherings speaking idle talk. In these gatherings one can be entertained by enjoying nice voices, and nice poems, and at the same time learn deen.

(4) The scholars who prohibited it have a valid position, however as my teachers have taught me – it is impermissible to forbid the evil on something of which there is valid scholarly difference of opinion. Even in the case of the beard where the vast majority of scholars ruled of the unlawfulness or at least offensiveness of shaving it is still impermissible to condemn someone for having no beard because there is a valid weak Maliki opinion which says that it is sunna.

Fiqh is a very complicated science, especially the Maliki madhhab where we have many different manahij. Sh. Abdullah ibn Bayyah, with all do respect to him, is a great scholar (and he has a fatwa allowing group dhikr and mawlid if you want me to post them), but my teachers have been from the Moroccan al-Qarawayyin approach to the madhhab and not the Mauritanian approach and there are differences in these approaches especially on more controversial issues.

The reason why it is impermissible for lay men like myself to argue about religious matters is exactly what has occurred here. The only reason I have replied is to clarify exactly what I was talking about so as not to allow you to misunderstand what I was referring to.

Please pray for this sinner my dear knowledgable brother,

Omar.

From that above statement you think M.R. is full of anger, is not calm, unrelaxed, and needs to control his anger ?!?! You seriously have issues if that’s the case. You’re coming off as a really condescending schmuck. Get off your high horse and learn some adab yourself. Geez

Proof that poetry, singing, and the duff are halal (unlike other musical instruments which are haram):”

Did brother Omar just make Qiyas? How gave you the ‘Ijaza to make fatwa ya sheikh. Sorry to say this, but this is Qiyas ma’ al-Fariq. The ‘ila here is very different since the mawlid would be considered a ritual of worship and the practice of the companions was something related to their normal lives. However, please give an example of the Companions or the salaf using the word Wine or gather for a Mawlid. We can agree on the Majazi use of the word wine. But, is something that Allah prohibited acceptable when it is related to worship. Why not just use the words of the beloved of Allah, “al-Ihsan.” Or, is the word wine better?

Waiting and have more for you

Omar! Then what is your position on the Hadara? Also, let us trace the origin of the Mawlid. I would advice you all to read al-bidayah wa nihayh of Ibn Kathir for an interesting overview of its history.

Salamz

My ryder since you want to engage. Could you please explain the axium used above
الخروج من الخلاف مستحاب

I would be interested in your understanding of the above as well as br. Omar’s. If you don’t have the tools to engage in such discourse then why have you? As it is forbidden for a ignorant person to engae the law if he doesn’t know. I would be interested in hearing Imam al-maziri’s opinion on this and that of Sh. Khird Hussien’s. If you say that you can’t understand the above then know that you should humble yourself and not get into issues realted to law. By the way, where did omar run to?

In times of fitna and hardship there is nothing wrong with using a different name. I’m the same person and I appreciate your true lack of adab and respect given to your fellow brother. Obviously you haven’t benefited much from the mawlids that you’ve attended. I love you and hope that you will relax, calm down and learn to control your anger. It is not befitting of a person of your stature to act in such a manner.

Fulan bin Fulan aka Sahnoon

fulan bin fulan on April 25, 2007 at 6:49 pm said:

Asalamu alaykum,

“That’s a pretty wack statement to make (sorry).”

Really, well I’ve been involved in the dawa for more than 30 years. I have a number of ‘Ijazat in the six books of hadith and have the Qur’an memorized by heart (all by the grace of Allah) and studied sacred knowledge for more than 40 years. But, I guess that doesn’t matter and my experience means nothing? You young kids need a good stick to teach you some adab.

Fulan bin Fulan

I was talking to the person ‘fahnun’ not you. unless u were taught for over 30 years to use fake names.

“That’s a pretty wack statement to make (sorry).”

Really, well I’ve been involved in the dawa for more than 30 years. I have a number of ‘Ijazat in the six books of hadith and have the Qur’an memorized by heart (all by the grace of Allah) and studied sacred knowledge for more than 40 years. But, I guess that doesn’t matter and my experience means nothing? You young kids need a good stick to teach you some adab.

Fulan bin Fulan