Comments on: Minarets - A threat to Switzerland http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2007/05/28/minarets-a-threat-to-switzerland/ Not the average Muslim blog... Thu, 24 Jul 2008 01:52:02 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: liv http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2007/05/28/minarets-a-threat-to-switzerland/#comment-110493 liv Wed, 09 Jul 2008 11:29:31 +0000 http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2007/05/28/minarets-a-threat-to-switzerland/#comment-110493 yeah it's BS and a load of "$£% and I'm embaressed to be Swiss. but as of this point the SVP or the People's party are the only ones representing this view. Not the whole govenment or switzerland. yeah it’s BS and a load of “$£% and I’m embaressed to be Swiss. but as of this point the SVP or the People’s party are the only ones representing this view. Not the whole govenment or switzerland.

]]> By: UKer http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2007/05/28/minarets-a-threat-to-switzerland/#comment-41704 UKer Mon, 11 Jun 2007 15:47:07 +0000 http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2007/05/28/minarets-a-threat-to-switzerland/#comment-41704 That could well be the case, but look at whats been quoted again: "The minaret is a symbol of a political and aggressive Islam, it’s a symbol of Islamic law. The minute you have minarets in Europe it means Islam will have taken over" Its obvious what they mean by this...its like the French banning hijabs in school...to 'stop secularism', but looking beyond this idea of 'lets all be one'...it shows an underlying message to all the Muslims out there...they want u out, the sooner the better, and if it takes time...like what Zain Bhikha says in his nasheed "Every step makes up the mile, even though it takes a while"..lol, but its true! Quite irrelevant, i must admit...but i still like that line, so i thought id put it in somewhere! :P But yeh, u get wat i mean about the minarets? That could well be the case, but look at whats been quoted again:

“The minaret is a symbol of a political and aggressive Islam, it’s a symbol of Islamic law. The minute you have minarets in Europe it means Islam will have taken over”

Its obvious what they mean by this…its like the French banning hijabs in school…to ’stop secularism’, but looking beyond this idea of ‘lets all be one’…it shows an underlying message to all the Muslims out there…they want u out, the sooner the better, and if it takes time…like what Zain Bhikha says in his nasheed “Every step makes up the mile, even though it takes a while”..lol, but its true!
Quite irrelevant, i must admit…but i still like that line, so i thought id put it in somewhere! :P

But yeh, u get wat i mean about the minarets?

]]> By: Luqman http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2007/05/28/minarets-a-threat-to-switzerland/#comment-41691 Luqman Mon, 11 Jun 2007 13:46:05 +0000 http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2007/05/28/minarets-a-threat-to-switzerland/#comment-41691 At first this also seemed completely ridiculous to me. But then I had a think about it. I think what the Swiss are trying to do is comparable to the Islamic system of Ahl ul Dhimmah, where (from what I understand) non-Muslims may not have their religious buildings taller than the local mosque. By banning the minaret but not mosques, the Swiss are making a statement that they are allowing Muslims to live in Switzerland but also that the country is secular/Christian, not Islamic. That's just how I see things anyway. Feel free to disagree. :) At first this also seemed completely ridiculous to me. But then I had a think about it.

I think what the Swiss are trying to do is comparable to the Islamic system of Ahl ul Dhimmah, where (from what I understand) non-Muslims may not have their religious buildings taller than the local mosque. By banning the minaret but not mosques, the Swiss are making a statement that they are allowing Muslims to live in Switzerland but also that the country is secular/Christian, not Islamic.

That’s just how I see things anyway. Feel free to disagree. :)

]]> By: Mujahideen Ryder http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2007/05/28/minarets-a-threat-to-switzerland/#comment-39656 Mujahideen Ryder Mon, 04 Jun 2007 11:28:58 +0000 http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2007/05/28/minarets-a-threat-to-switzerland/#comment-39656 [Comment ID #39245 Will Be Quoted Here] Good point.

beirut on June 3, 2007 at 5:39 am said:

The thing is Switzerland claims to be a democracy, Saudi Arabia isnt. In Democratic nations there should be certain freedoms that people have, right? A minaret on a musalla/masjid does not pose any threat to their secular values whatsoever. They must believe this will decrease the number of European converts to Islaam or something…they are just pissed that more and more Europeans are converting to Islaam.

And they cant do anything about it…

Good point.

]]> By: Talibah Al Ilm http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2007/05/28/minarets-a-threat-to-switzerland/#comment-39391 Talibah Al Ilm Sun, 03 Jun 2007 18:48:52 +0000 http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2007/05/28/minarets-a-threat-to-switzerland/#comment-39391 Quote:", and because the Muslims living there were too invisible to show what Muslims are really like." Muslims in Switzerland are not at all invisible. Just have a look at Brother Tariq Ramadhaan (see Shaikh Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tariq_Ramadan) I suppose that it is now over with Switzerland's neutral attitude towards anything which has to do with politics. I like beirut's comment about democracy. So true! Wasalaam. Quote:”, and because the Muslims living there were too invisible to show what Muslims are really like.”

Muslims in Switzerland are not at all invisible. Just have a look at Brother Tariq Ramadhaan (see Shaikh Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tariq_Ramadan)

I suppose that it is now over with Switzerland’s neutral attitude towards anything which has to do with politics.
I like beirut’s comment about democracy. So true!
Wasalaam.

]]> By: beirut http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2007/05/28/minarets-a-threat-to-switzerland/#comment-39245 beirut Sun, 03 Jun 2007 09:39:32 +0000 http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2007/05/28/minarets-a-threat-to-switzerland/#comment-39245 The thing is Switzerland claims to be a democracy, Saudi Arabia isnt. In Democratic nations there should be certain freedoms that people have, right? A minaret on a musalla/masjid does not pose any threat to their secular values whatsoever. They must believe this will decrease the number of European converts to Islaam or something...they are just pissed that more and more Europeans are converting to Islaam. And they cant do anything about it... The thing is Switzerland claims to be a democracy, Saudi Arabia isnt. In Democratic nations there should be certain freedoms that people have, right? A minaret on a musalla/masjid does not pose any threat to their secular values whatsoever. They must believe this will decrease the number of European converts to Islaam or something…they are just pissed that more and more Europeans are converting to Islaam.

And they cant do anything about it…

]]> By: Luigi http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2007/05/28/minarets-a-threat-to-switzerland/#comment-39159 Luigi Sun, 03 Jun 2007 01:45:54 +0000 http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2007/05/28/minarets-a-threat-to-switzerland/#comment-39159 Goodo for Switzerland! How many churches are there in Saudi Arabia? Answer - None! In fact, it is illegal to practice any religion other than islam in S.A. You cant have it both your way people. Besides, just behead those who dont want minarets in Switzerland. Goodo for Switzerland!

How many churches are there in Saudi Arabia?

Answer - None! In fact, it is illegal to practice any religion other than islam in S.A.

You cant have it both your way people.

Besides, just behead those who dont want minarets in Switzerland.

]]> By: LondonMuslim http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2007/05/28/minarets-a-threat-to-switzerland/#comment-37851 LondonMuslim Tue, 29 May 2007 21:08:06 +0000 http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2007/05/28/minarets-a-threat-to-switzerland/#comment-37851 lol!! Totally backing you on using a yodeler for the adhan :) lol!! Totally backing you on using a yodeler for the adhan :)

]]> By: Yaser http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2007/05/28/minarets-a-threat-to-switzerland/#comment-37836 Yaser Tue, 29 May 2007 17:51:17 +0000 http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2007/05/28/minarets-a-threat-to-switzerland/#comment-37836 Not to contribute anything useful but....Switzerland is not in Scandinavia. Norway, Sweden, Denmark & Finland (maybe Iceland, but I don't think so) is part of Scandinavia. Unless your using Amir's standard of stretching geography (example: East Africa) :P Not to contribute anything useful but….Switzerland is not in Scandinavia. Norway, Sweden, Denmark & Finland (maybe Iceland, but I don’t think so) is part of Scandinavia. Unless your using Amir’s standard of stretching geography (example: East Africa) :P

]]> By: mehnaz miraj gibson http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2007/05/28/minarets-a-threat-to-switzerland/#comment-37828 mehnaz miraj gibson Tue, 29 May 2007 15:24:58 +0000 http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2007/05/28/minarets-a-threat-to-switzerland/#comment-37828 Salaam, The Swiss did not participate in WWII. After the war the population of Europe and America soared i.e. babyboomers. The Swiss did not experience this growth. Hence, the population is very old now. They had to import labor. When a person becomes old they either become very generous or bitter. When you are bitter you don't want others to be happy. The Swiss Muslims need to keep on trying and if a minaret is not allowed I would hire a yoddler to announce the adhan. Salaam,

The Swiss did not participate in WWII. After the war the population of Europe and America soared i.e. babyboomers.
The Swiss did not experience this growth. Hence, the population is very old now. They had to import labor.
When a person becomes old they either become very generous or bitter. When you are bitter you don’t want others to be happy.
The Swiss Muslims need to keep on trying and if a minaret is not allowed I would hire a yoddler to announce the adhan.

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