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Saudis love the Burdah!

  • Author: MR
  • Filed under: Islam, Video
  • Date: Jul 3,2007 | 08:14 AM

Mesut Kurtis live in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia singing the Burda:

Sorry my anti-burda brothers and sisters!


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  • 25 Responses for "Saudis love the Burdah!"

    1. MaRiAm July 3rd, 2007 at 12:57 pm

      Salaam pple

      okay my comment has nothing to do with the post!! but i duno if u guys have seen that website, its called muslimvideo.com. Its a bit like youtube. check this video out!

      http://www.muslimvideo.com/tv/view_video.php?viewkey=30d7f53049ddc4a4b0c6

      Hey Mr u shud do a post on it! let pple kno!

    2. Abdullah July 3rd, 2007 at 6:30 pm

      anti burda?????

    3. Hasan Mahmood July 3rd, 2007 at 6:44 pm

      Asalamu Alaikum,

      No offense, but even if the saudis love burda, it doesn’t change the fact that it has shirky lyrics. Don’t take offense by this post, just stating facts.

    4. UKer July 3rd, 2007 at 7:12 pm

      Here comes another debate!
      Drop it…it aint Shirk! How can the praise of the Prophet PBUH be shirk?!! Rhetorical Q…i dont expect answers! Otherwise it will turn into debate blog number a million!

      Nice one by Mesut Kurtis…i like the video of the nasheed too.

    5. Mujahideen Ryder July 3rd, 2007 at 7:32 pm

      Hasan Mahmood on July 3, 2007 at 6:44 pm said:

      Asalamu Alaikum,

      No offense, but even if the saudis love burda, it doesn’t change the fact that it has shirky lyrics. Don’t take offense by this post, just stating facts.

      Shaykh Yaser Birjas said it was a beautiful peom except for a few lines. 😀
      [From FOL (Durbah) in Jersey, when asked about it by me]

    6. Mujahideen Ryder July 3rd, 2007 at 7:32 pm

      Abdullah on July 3, 2007 at 6:30 pm said:

      anti burda?????

      Yes, see below:

      Hasan Mahmood on July 3, 2007 at 6:44 pm said:

      Asalamu Alaikum,

      No offense, but even if the saudis love burda, it doesn’t change the fact that it has shirky lyrics. Don’t take offense by this post, just stating facts.

    7. Mujahideen Ryder July 3rd, 2007 at 7:43 pm

      Sh. Yasir Qadhi’s claim of shirk in the Qasida Burda:

      Salaam Alaikum

      Yes, there is much in the poem that is praiseworhty and beautiful. In fact, certain sections will even move you to tears.

      However, that doesn’t change the fact that there is blatant shirk in all three categories of tahweed in that poem: shrik in ruboobiyyah, uloohiyyah and asma wa sifaat.
      Therefore, the poem should not and cannot be read except to correct these exceses.
      As for the alleged story of how the poem was written, the Prophet (saw) would not appear to anyone and praise him had he written soemthing of shirk. It is only the mystics who base their religion on dreams and fairy-tales; as for the true Muslm, he has the Quran and authentic Sunnah as his only true guides.

      BTW, just so no one things I haven’t read the poem or am passing judgments w/o any knoweldge:
      An example of shirk in ruboobiyyah is the stanza:
      “And of your generosity is the (creation) of the Wolrd and its co-wife (meaning the Hereafter)…” Here it is as if the World and the Hereafter was created from the generosity of the Prophet (SAW).

      An example of Shirk in Asma wa sifaat:
      “And part of your knowledge is the knowlege of the Tablet and the Pen…” So PART of the knowledge of the Prophet (SAW) is the knoewledge that is encompassed in the LAwh al-Mahufdh – the tablet that has EVERYTHING written on it!! and that is only ‘part’ of his knowledge!! Compare this mystic poem with the authentic hadeeth in Bukhari where a young girl said “And we have a prophet who knows what will happen tommorrow.’ to which the Prophet (SAW) said, “Leave this (bit), and say the rest of it.”

      Example of shirk in uloohiyyah:
      ” And who else there, besides you, who I can call out, at times of distress and problems?” Umm… how about our Creator, the only one the Prophet (SAW) HIMSELF would turn to at times of distress??

      The poem is a prime example of over-praising the Prophet (SAW) and putting him ina place where even he himself would not like. We will discuss it more in Aqeedah 101 insha Allah.

      Yasir

      Sh. Faraz Rabbani’s answer with daleel:

      In the Name of Allah, Most Merciful and Compassionate

      May Allah’s peace and blessings be upon His Beloved Messenger Muhammad, his noble folk, righteous companions, and all followers

      No, the Qasida Burda doesn’t contain “shirk” (associating partners with Allah) or other deviations from sound Islamic belief. Rather, it is a pure expression of deep and passionate love for the Beloved Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him), whose love is a condition of faith.

      The Qasida Burda has been accepted by the mainstream of Islamic scholarship as one of the greatest statements of love for the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him). It is recited across the Muslim world, from East to West, as it has been for centuries. There are dozens of commentaries on it, by many of the greatest scholars of Islam, none of whom saw any “blatant shirk” in its beautiful praise of the Beloved Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him). However, given its eloquence and depth, certain verses-such as those criticized by our respected critic-need to be understood as the author meant them. It is unfair to interpret others’ words in ways they did not mean.

      [1] The critic cites the opening of the verse as an example of “shirk” in the Oneness of Allah’s Lordship (tawhid al-rububiyya):

      “From our generosity is the world and its partner [the Hereafter]…”

      Our respected critic claims that this refers to the creation of the world and there hereafter-as if Busiri is claiming that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) and his generosity created them! The Arabic text if this verse doesn’t mention “creation” in it.

      As Imam Ibrahim al-Bajuri makes clear in his commentary on the Burda, what this means is that the best of this world and the next is from the gift the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) gave-by Allah’s granting-to humanity.

      The best of this world is the guidance of the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him), by which alone this worldly has any meaning; and the best gift of any human to humanity in the Hereafter is the intercession the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) makes-as established in rigorously authentic hadiths, as we will see below.

      There is a basic principle in knowledge that, “Ruling on a matter comes after sound understanding of it.” To criticize someone’s words, one must first soundly understand them as the author intended them-not as one’s own understanding determines.

      [2] The critic then cites the following verses as example of shirk in Allah’s Names & Attributes,

      “And from your knowledge is knowledge of the Pen and Tablet”

      It is established that Allah commanded the Pen to write the details of all matters until the Last Day-namely, before the Resurrection and Hereafter-as related in authentic hadiths in Ahmad and Tirmidhi. These hadiths were considered mass-transmitted by al-Amir al-Kabir in his commentary on Laqani’s Jawharat al-Tawhid, as Kattani relates in Nadhm al-Mutanathir.

      In this hadith, the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) said, “The first of Allah’s creation was the pen.” Then he mentioned that Allah commanded it to, “Write everything that will occur, until the Last Hour.” [Ahmad 21649, from Ubada ibn Samit (Allah be pleased with him)]

      It is authentically established that Allah granted His Beloved Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him) knowledge of the events of this worldly life.

      There is no “shirk” in this: (1) it is authentically established in the sunna; (2) it is by Allah’s granting, so there is no point of comparison between the Absolute, Infinite, and unacquired Knowledge of Allah and the acquired, and limited (though inimaginably vast) knowledge of the Best of Creation (Allah bless him and give him peace).

      The knowledge of the Pen and Tablet-being this knowledge of worldly events until the Last Day-is “from” the knowledge of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) because he was also granted tremendous knowledge of matters of the hereafter, and of Allah and His Attributes-the greatest of all knowledge.

      What we need to understand is that Allah granted His Beloved Messenger (Allah bless him and give him peace) tremendous knowledge of the Unseen, including details of matters of this life and the next; and He granted His Beloved (Allah bless him and give him peace) greater knowledge of Himself than any of His creation.

      Thus, there is no element of shirk in this verse. It simply affirms what the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) himself affirmed, not more and not less.

      [3] Our respected critic then cites the following verse as an example of “shirk” in Allah’s Oneness in Divinity (tawhid al-uluhiyya):

      ” And who else there, besides you, who I can call out, at times of distress and problems?”

      This is our critic’s suggested translation. A sounder translation is:

      “O Most Honored of Creation! Whom can I turn to
      But you when the Encompassing Event befalls?”

      The “Encompassing Event” (wrongly translated us “times of distress and problems”) refers specifically to the distress that befalls all creation on the Day of Resurrection. As authentic hadiths in Bukhari [3092], Muslim [287], and elsewhere affirm, all of creation will go from one prophet to another, each of whom is busy with themselves-out of absolute awe of Allah-and tells them to go to another prophet. Finally, all of creation goes to our Beloved Messenger (Allah bless him and give him peace), seeking respite from the tremendous tribulation and distress of that Day. The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) answers their call, affirming that this is from what Allah granted him, and turns to Allah seeking respite for creation, and this is granted to him by Allah.

      There is no suggestion in this verse that a believer shouldn’t turn to Allah Himself when distress and problems occur. Rather, it is simply affirming something the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) affirmed: that Allah has granted His Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) general intercession for all creation from the intensity of the tribulations of the Day of Judgment, and that on that Day all creation will find none in creation to turn to for assistance but Allah’s Beloved (Allah bless him and give him peace).

      This also shows that seeking the assistance of creation-whether in material or spiritual matters-does in no way negate one’s understanding that Allah alone is the ultimate granter. But our Giving Lord has shown us that there are both material and spiritual means one seeks, while fully aware that the Giver and Granter is none but Allah.

      This is the aqida of the mainstream of Muslims: we affirm the taking of material and spiritual means, and affirm that the granter is only Allah Himself. This is the understanding of the great Companion of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him), Rabi`ah ibn Ka`b al-Aslami (Allah be pleased with him), who said, “O Messenger of Allah! I ask you for your company in Paradise!” The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) replied, “Assist me concerning yourself with much prostration.” [Muslim (754)]

      [ref: The commentaries on Busiri’s Burda by Bajuri, Hamzawi, Ibn Hajar, and Shaykh Zada]

      And Allah alone gives success.

      Faraz Rabbani

      Source’s: Al-Maghrib Forum Post, SunniPath Answer

    8. Samir July 3rd, 2007 at 7:52 pm

      I think you just like saying stupid stuff so you can get more revunue from the advertisements on ur blog.

    9. Samir July 3rd, 2007 at 7:53 pm

      revenue*

    10. shab July 3rd, 2007 at 8:35 pm

      Samir on July 3, 2007 at 7:53 pm said:

      revenue*

      YUP, SOMEBODY GOT IT :)

    11. Mujahideen Ryder July 3rd, 2007 at 9:13 pm

      Samir on July 3, 2007 at 7:52 pm said:

      I think you just like saying stupid stuff so you can get more revunue from the advertisements on ur blog.

      What’s so stupid about this post? I posted a video of Mesut Kurtis singing the Burdah in Saudi Arabia and the audience is clapping along and enjoying it, thus “Saudis love the burdah”.

    12. AbdulRahman July 4th, 2007 at 4:44 am

      Actually MR, I found your posts interesting and helpful for understanding of the differing views of the Salafis and Sufis.
      I liked the fatwa you provided of Sheikh Faraz, note how he would say “our respected critic”. Lovely behavior that we can all learn from!

      Jazak Allah khair.

    13. Omar July 4th, 2007 at 6:29 am

      I think the point is, critics of the Burdah interpret it in a different way from its partisans. So it’s only the interpretation that we disagree about.

    14. Humairah July 4th, 2007 at 8:43 am

      I find the audience abnormal… only men as far as you can see, and it seems that the wildest they can get is standing up and clapping in groups 😉
      [But then again, that’s Saudi for you]

    15. aysha July 4th, 2007 at 1:13 pm

      i love the qasidah burdah

    16. Burdahlover July 4th, 2007 at 4:47 pm

      “It is only the mystics who base their religion on dreams and fairy-tales; as for the true Muslm, he has the Quran and authentic Sunnah as his only true guides”

      Allah Ta’ala says “whoever shows enmity to a friend of Mine, I show enmity of war with them”

      Yasir Qadhi should be careful when making such statements…the book of the sufis “mystics” is also the Quran, and their way is the highest way of acheiving the states of the sunnah. If Allah gives them a bushra or admonition in a dream, this is one fourtieth of Prophethood as we know from the sound hadith.

      I really do like the way certain people give others words their own interpretations, and then accuse the speaker of the words to be guilty of shirk and such.

      Imam Sharafuddin Busiri, imagine what kind of man he was, that Allah took his praise of the Prophet, and spread it across the world for centuries. Yet, some like to discredit him as a mushrik, one who may be spending an eternity in hell, along with any other muslim who doesnt not fit into their ideology, and there were many many many more.

    17. abu ameerah July 4th, 2007 at 4:55 pm

      there also may be Saudis who love smoking…doesn’t mean that it’s good for them or even Halaal.

      Furthermore…the eastern portion of the KSA is full of “Saudis” who love Ayatollah al Al Sistani…

      So, I wouldn’t put too much emphasis on what Saudis love or don’t love. How about what Guyanese people love?

    18. abu ameerah July 4th, 2007 at 4:55 pm

      “Ayatollah al Al Sistani” should be

      Ayatollah Ali al Sistani…….DOH!

    19. Mujahideen Ryder July 4th, 2007 at 5:06 pm

      abu ameerah on July 4, 2007 at 4:55 pm said:

      there also may be Saudis who love smoking…doesn’t mean that it’s good for them or even Halaal.

      Furthermore…the eastern portion of the KSA is full of “Saudis” who love Ayatollah al Al Sistani…

      So, I wouldn’t put too much emphasis on what Saudis love or don’t love. How about what Guyanese people love?

      Carribana 😀

      its beyond haram. hahaha

      Abu Ameerah, I thought you were Caribbean also? Anyways, I wasn’t saying that because Saudis love it, its legitimate. I know some people don’t like it. That’s fine with me. I like it. I was just saying that the Saudi people in the video are enjoying the Burdah, mashaAllah!

    20. Radiant Light July 5th, 2007 at 3:37 am

      Assalamualaykum

      JazakumAllah Khair for the Q&A, very beneficial!

      Ma’assalam
      PS: I left you a short answer, on my blog for what you asked. I’ll try and go a little in depth when I get a little more time, Insha’Allah.

    21. No OFFENSE !! July 5th, 2007 at 10:40 pm

      No offense to the burdah it is beautifull.. but i dont think our prophet would aprove of someone standing on stage and singing. While onlookers are claping.. just my thoughts

    22. Mahin F Islam July 6th, 2007 at 9:42 am

      As a Salafee..I gotta admit I am a closet-Burdah fan…got the shirk-free version on my Ipod..(I hope it’s the shirk free version :))

    23. Omar July 9th, 2007 at 6:18 am

      MR- good editing work bro 😉

    24. Ahmed.A.A UK July 9th, 2007 at 7:21 am

      In conclusion we find that for whatever purpose “Qasidah Burdah” is read, In-Shaa-Allah that purpose will be fulfilled, with the precondition that ones earnings and food is halaal. One also becomes constant in eating, sleeping, and talking less. May Allah Ta’alaa through His infinite grace and mercy accept this humble effort, grant us death with Iman, bestow us, our Ma’shaykh, and our families, eternal love for Sayyidina Rasulullah Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam through the blessings of this qasidah. Ameen.
      >>>>>>>>>>>>>

    25. Kurruptve1Logic August 4th, 2008 at 12:16 pm

      Qasida Burda, a great discussion topic. I ain’t an Imam or any of the sort, but I would like to just highlight that Qasida Burda in itself is a nice poem, but remember this does not conform with the Aqeeda. Meaning, you don’t have to Believe in this Poem in order to become a Muslim, and nor do you have not-believe in it to be a Muslim. However, like it is said when in doubt, leave it out. So I guess a lot of people are doing that, and others are dong the oppsoite… Personally, I really like the sound of the Burda and it made me cry a few times, even without knowing the meaning. I just don’t think this is a topic Muslims need to differ on and then despise each other… Remember we all (muslims) believe in ALLAH, and the Last Day and we Believe Muhammad SAWS is the Final Messenger and Prophet.
      May Allah’s Mercy and Peace Be Upon Us All (Believers). Ameen

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