Comments on: “Independence Day” - Sh. Abdullah Bin Bayyah http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2007/07/04/%e2%80%9cindependence-day%e2%80%9d-sh-abdullah-bin-bayyah/ Not the average Muslim blog... Thu, 24 Jul 2008 01:53:07 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: Imam Suhaib Webb Joins Al-Maghrib Institute [Updates: 1] | Mujahideen Ryder's Blog http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2007/07/04/%e2%80%9cindependence-day%e2%80%9d-sh-abdullah-bin-bayyah/#comment-48845 Imam Suhaib Webb Joins Al-Maghrib Institute [Updates: 1] | Mujahideen Ryder's Blog Tue, 31 Jul 2007 18:14:11 +0000 http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2007/07/04/%e2%80%9cindependence-day%e2%80%9d-sh-abdullah-bin-bayyah/#comment-48845 [...] “Independence Day” by Sh. Abdullah bin Bayyah [...] [...] “Independence Day” by Sh. Abdullah bin Bayyah [...]

]]> By: abu ameerah http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2007/07/04/%e2%80%9cindependence-day%e2%80%9d-sh-abdullah-bin-bayyah/#comment-47032 abu ameerah Sun, 15 Jul 2007 23:54:54 +0000 http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2007/07/04/%e2%80%9cindependence-day%e2%80%9d-sh-abdullah-bin-bayyah/#comment-47032 @ Khalida Raufi: Asalamu Alaikum, Below is an article from Islam Q & A that has an opposite view and it would be educational for us to examine the reasons. http://www.islam-qa.com/index.php?pg=article&ln=eng&article_id=93 Wa Salam -- Uhhhhh (gasping for a breath of air)... You just quoted from one of those salafi/"wahaabi" (not my made up terminology) ... wahabist/islamist ... extremist/salafist Saaaaaaaaauuuudi websites. A'outhubillah! (lol) --Don't say that I didn't warn you if lightning were to strike! --The evidence in that link is known as the Ulema have dealt with this issue a long, long, long time ago. Thanks anyway, and watch out for lightning! (just kidding about lightning) @ Khalida Raufi:

Asalamu Alaikum,
Below is an article from Islam Q & A that has an opposite view and it would be educational for us to examine the reasons.

http://www.islam-qa.com/index.php?pg=article&ln=eng&article_id=93
Wa Salam

– Uhhhhh (gasping for a breath of air)… You just quoted from one of those salafi/”wahaabi” (not my made up terminology) … wahabist/islamist … extremist/salafist Saaaaaaaaauuuudi websites. A’outhubillah! (lol)

–Don’t say that I didn’t warn you if lightning were to strike!

–The evidence in that link is known as the Ulema have dealt with this issue a long, long, long time ago. Thanks anyway, and watch out for lightning! (just kidding about lightning)

]]> By: muslim brother http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2007/07/04/%e2%80%9cindependence-day%e2%80%9d-sh-abdullah-bin-bayyah/#comment-46733 muslim brother Fri, 13 Jul 2007 03:43:49 +0000 http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2007/07/04/%e2%80%9cindependence-day%e2%80%9d-sh-abdullah-bin-bayyah/#comment-46733 [Comment ID #46469 Will Be Quoted Here] [/quote] i get what you are saying about your translations/english. just saying to be careful. and be careful before you attribute opinions to ppl. without referencing or knowledge.

Mujahideen Ryder on July 10, 2007 at 8:37 am said:

It’s very hard to mix English with Arabic to get a perfect translation. Makruh is not recommended but that doesn’t mean it’s impermissible. Agree? If it’s not impermissible then its permissible. It’s hard to explain. Mubah is permissible with out the “not recommended part”. So makruh and mubah are both technically “permissible” but makruh is the one “not recommended”. Ahh this is confusing, but I hope you get the point, inshaAllah.

Regardless of anything. I believe watching fireworks on July 4th is permissible.

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i get what you are saying about your translations/english. just saying to be careful.

and be careful before you attribute opinions to ppl. without referencing or knowledge.

]]> By: haroon http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2007/07/04/%e2%80%9cindependence-day%e2%80%9d-sh-abdullah-bin-bayyah/#comment-46590 haroon Wed, 11 Jul 2007 18:04:25 +0000 http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2007/07/04/%e2%80%9cindependence-day%e2%80%9d-sh-abdullah-bin-bayyah/#comment-46590 that islam-qa fatwa i'm sure is sound (though not necessarily the only possible view) but i don't see the necessity (or the veracity) of saying things like what i quote below. i just find it either really sloppy or profoundly intellectually dishonest. yes, there are quirks and real problems in the way that westerners in general structure their familial relations, but it's like, how seriously would you take something written about muslims that was like, "Muslim families all ensure that they crush their daughters free will and subject them to menial tasks and repeated pregnancy in a loveless marriage with a man of the family's choosing". If that doesn't sound like your family, the following doesn't sound like mine, and it especially doesn't sound like any (insert random non-Western, non-Muslim nationalities like Korean, Chinese, Polish, Mexican or Haitian_ family that I know of: Mothers in kaafir countries Those who study the situation of families in general and of mothers in particular in the non-Muslim societies will hear and read of strange things. You can hardly find any complete family whose members keep in touch with one another, let alone meeting and conversing or staying together. As some observers in kaafir countries have said: in the marketplaces or streets you may see a mother and her son or daughter, or a father and his son or daughter, but you will rarely see a whole family going shopping or walking in the streets. When the father or mother grows old, the best among their children hastens to put them in seniors’ homes. Some Muslims went to some of these homes and asked a dozen of seniors what their greatest wish was. All of them said, “Death!” That is only because each of them is living in misery, grief and regret for the way they have ended up and the way their children have deserted them at the time when they need them most. that islam-qa fatwa i’m sure is sound (though not necessarily the only possible view) but i don’t see the necessity (or the veracity) of saying things like what i quote below. i just find it either really sloppy or profoundly intellectually dishonest. yes, there are quirks and real problems in the way that westerners in general structure their familial relations, but it’s like, how seriously would you take something written about muslims that was like, “Muslim families all ensure that they crush their daughters free will and subject them to menial tasks and repeated pregnancy in a loveless marriage with a man of the family’s choosing”. If that doesn’t sound like your family, the following doesn’t sound like mine, and it especially doesn’t sound like any (insert random non-Western, non-Muslim nationalities like Korean, Chinese, Polish, Mexican or Haitian_ family that I know of:

Mothers in kaafir countries

Those who study the situation of families in general and of mothers in particular in the non-Muslim societies will hear and read of strange things. You can hardly find any complete family whose members keep in touch with one another, let alone meeting and conversing or staying together.

As some observers in kaafir countries have said: in the marketplaces or streets you may see a mother and her son or daughter, or a father and his son or daughter, but you will rarely see a whole family going shopping or walking in the streets.

When the father or mother grows old, the best among their children hastens to put them in seniors’ homes. Some Muslims went to some of these homes and asked a dozen of seniors what their greatest wish was. All of them said, “Death!” That is only because each of them is living in misery, grief and regret for the way they have ended up and the way their children have deserted them at the time when they need them most.

]]> By: Khalida Raufi http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2007/07/04/%e2%80%9cindependence-day%e2%80%9d-sh-abdullah-bin-bayyah/#comment-46514 Khalida Raufi Tue, 10 Jul 2007 21:16:33 +0000 http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2007/07/04/%e2%80%9cindependence-day%e2%80%9d-sh-abdullah-bin-bayyah/#comment-46514 Asalamu Alaikum, By the way, the reason there is a difference on the issue of celebrating the "non-religious" holidays is due to the following: Some scholars interpret the "Eid" or to be strictly to that which pertains to the religious holidays only. Others interpret it in a wider circle to include all holidays that ritually repeat and which people celebrate on a repetitive basis (whether they be weakly, monthly or yearly.) But anything that is non-repetitive such as a graduation party, etc. is okay because its not an Eid. When differences of opinion exist, Insha'ALLAH do not fight but try to sincerely follow that which is the correct opinion by sincerely seeking ALLAH SWT's pleasure. This way you won't go wrong because your sincerity would be with ALLAH SWT. Wa Salam Asalamu Alaikum,
By the way, the reason there is a difference on the issue of celebrating the “non-religious” holidays is due to the following: Some scholars interpret the “Eid” or to be strictly to that which pertains to the religious holidays only. Others interpret it in a wider circle to include all holidays that ritually repeat and which people celebrate on a repetitive basis (whether they be weakly, monthly or yearly.) But anything that is non-repetitive such as a graduation party, etc. is okay because its not an Eid. When differences of opinion exist, Insha’ALLAH do not fight but try to sincerely follow that which is the correct opinion by sincerely seeking ALLAH SWT’s pleasure. This way you won’t go wrong because your sincerity would be with ALLAH SWT.
Wa Salam

]]> By: Khalida Raufi http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2007/07/04/%e2%80%9cindependence-day%e2%80%9d-sh-abdullah-bin-bayyah/#comment-46513 Khalida Raufi Tue, 10 Jul 2007 21:09:52 +0000 http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2007/07/04/%e2%80%9cindependence-day%e2%80%9d-sh-abdullah-bin-bayyah/#comment-46513 Asalamu Alaikum, Below is an article from Islam Q & A that has an opposite view and it would be educational for us to examine the reasons. http://www.islam-qa.com/index.php?pg=article&ln=eng&article_id=93 Wa Salam Asalamu Alaikum,
Below is an article from Islam Q & A that has an opposite view and it would be educational for us to examine the reasons.

http://www.islam-qa.com/index.php?pg=article&ln=eng&article_id=93
Wa Salam

]]> By: Mujahideen Ryder http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2007/07/04/%e2%80%9cindependence-day%e2%80%9d-sh-abdullah-bin-bayyah/#comment-46469 Mujahideen Ryder Tue, 10 Jul 2007 12:37:57 +0000 http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2007/07/04/%e2%80%9cindependence-day%e2%80%9d-sh-abdullah-bin-bayyah/#comment-46469 [Comment ID #46420 Will Be Quoted Here] It's very hard to mix English with Arabic to get a perfect translation. Makruh is not recommended but that doesn't mean it's impermissible. Agree? If it's not impermissible then its permissible. It's hard to explain. Mubah is permissible with out the "not recommended part". So makruh and mubah are both technically "permissible" but makruh is the one "not recommended". Ahh this is confusing, but I hope you get the point, inshaAllah. Regardless of anything. I believe watching fireworks on July 4th is permissible.

muslim brother on July 9, 2007 at 8:18 pm said:

ps: when you say “Deobandis say smoking is permissible” you are implying “Mubah” not Makruh. Then you said, “not recommended - Makruh”, which i answered above anyways…

be careful what you say man.

It’s very hard to mix English with Arabic to get a perfect translation. Makruh is not recommended but that doesn’t mean it’s impermissible. Agree? If it’s not impermissible then its permissible. It’s hard to explain. Mubah is permissible with out the “not recommended part”. So makruh and mubah are both technically “permissible” but makruh is the one “not recommended”. Ahh this is confusing, but I hope you get the point, inshaAllah.

Regardless of anything. I believe watching fireworks on July 4th is permissible.

]]> By: muslim brother http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2007/07/04/%e2%80%9cindependence-day%e2%80%9d-sh-abdullah-bin-bayyah/#comment-46420 muslim brother Tue, 10 Jul 2007 00:18:24 +0000 http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2007/07/04/%e2%80%9cindependence-day%e2%80%9d-sh-abdullah-bin-bayyah/#comment-46420 ps: when you say "Deobandis say smoking is permissible" you are implying "Mubah" not Makruh. Then you said, "not recommended - Makruh", which i answered above anyways... be careful what you say man. ps: when you say “Deobandis say smoking is permissible” you are implying “Mubah” not Makruh. Then you said, “not recommended - Makruh”, which i answered above anyways…

be careful what you say man.

]]> By: muslim brother http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2007/07/04/%e2%80%9cindependence-day%e2%80%9d-sh-abdullah-bin-bayyah/#comment-46419 muslim brother Tue, 10 Jul 2007 00:16:03 +0000 http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2007/07/04/%e2%80%9cindependence-day%e2%80%9d-sh-abdullah-bin-bayyah/#comment-46419 deobandis that i have spoken to directly, such as Mufti Ibrahim Desai (askimam.org) say that smoking is Makruh TAHRIMI. According to Hanafi usul, Makrooh is of two categories. It is either 1-Haram: which is a ruling based on daleel dhannee such as qiyas (like smoking) 2-disliked. Smoking, according to the deobandis, falls under the first type of makruh. http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503543740 deobandis that i have spoken to directly, such as Mufti Ibrahim Desai (askimam.org) say that smoking is Makruh TAHRIMI. According to Hanafi usul, Makrooh is of two categories. It is either
1-Haram: which is a ruling based on daleel dhannee such as qiyas (like smoking)
2-disliked.

Smoking, according to the deobandis, falls under the first type of makruh.

http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503543740

]]> By: concerned http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2007/07/04/%e2%80%9cindependence-day%e2%80%9d-sh-abdullah-bin-bayyah/#comment-46417 concerned Mon, 09 Jul 2007 23:49:08 +0000 http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2007/07/04/%e2%80%9cindependence-day%e2%80%9d-sh-abdullah-bin-bayyah/#comment-46417 salam aleykum... I would like to add a small comment to the discussion goin on over celebrating other than the two eid's. I listened to a lecture a while back about the word Eid, its meaning and origin. Unfortunately cant remember who the speaker was but this a good question to ask hamza yusuf who like to derive meanings from words and show how that word can be divided into several meanings. however what i remember is eid is somethyng that returns every year contrary to what wikipedia says (The word Eid (IPA pronunciation: [i? d]) heard commonly is a generic word in Arabic for "festival". ) and is well known that we as muslims are ordered not to copy the mushrikeen and Abd-Allaah ibn al-‘Aas said: Whoever lives in the land of the mushrikeen and celebrates their Nawrooz (New Year) and their Mahrajaan (festivals), and imitates them until he dies, he will be a loser on the Day of Resurrection. was salamu aleykum salam aleykum…

I would like to add a small comment to the discussion goin on over celebrating other than the two eid’s. I listened to a lecture a while back about the word Eid, its meaning and origin. Unfortunately cant remember who the speaker was but this a good question to ask hamza yusuf who like to derive meanings from words and show how that word can be divided into several meanings. however what i remember is eid is somethyng that returns every year contrary to what wikipedia says
(The word Eid (IPA pronunciation: [i? d]) heard commonly is a generic word in Arabic for “festival”. )

and is well known that we as muslims are ordered not to copy the mushrikeen and Abd-Allaah ibn al-‘Aas said: Whoever lives in the land of the mushrikeen and celebrates their Nawrooz (New Year) and their Mahrajaan (festivals), and imitates them until he dies, he will be a loser on the Day of Resurrection.

was salamu aleykum

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