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Al-Qushayri is not worth the dust off of Ibn Qudamah’s shoes, nor are any of the other Ashari zanadaqah who pretend that the hadith refers to their putrid sect.

Where did Rasulullah (salallahu alayhi wa salaam) say that he was referring to the Ashari sect? How do your zindiq ulema derive a hidden meaning from the words of the Prophet?

May Allah (subhanu wa ta’ala) raise up the Hanabilah and wipe the zindiq Asharis from the face of the earth. Ameen ya Rabb.

This proof was good enough for the people like al-Qushayri, Ibn `Asakir, al-Bayhaqi, al-Subki.

I had enough debate. The hadith are there as an indication to those who seek the truth. Where are your hadith hanbali?

Take it or leave it.

I end with…

”The Ash`aris among people are like a precious parcel containing musk.”
- Hadith of the Prophet narrated from Hasan al-Basri in the mode of mursal (missing the Companion link) by Ibn Shihab al-Zuhri in Ibn Sa`d\\’s Tabaqat. Among those who explained the Ash`aris mentioned in the hadith to include reference to latter-day Ash`aris are Imam Abu al-Qasim al-Qushayri, al-Subki, and Ibn `Asakir.

-This is enough of a proof.

-The Quran applies to all times and places…….

You already said that. I asked you to bring your proof if you are truthful. Saying “al-Qushayri said it” is not proof.

The Prophet praised the Ash`aris in numerous narrations concerning which al-Qushayri said that they bore not only the external meaning of the tribe of the Companion Abu Musa al-Ash`ari, but also the additional meaning of the followers of his descendent Abu al-Hasan al-Ash`ari, meaning the Ash`ari school.

And Ibn Qudama’s opinion regarding Ashari’s holds no weight in front of the Prophets (pbuh)

And how dare you disrespect the Imam Muwaffaq ud-Din Ibn Qudama (rahimahullah)?! You’re not worth one of his fingernails!

(7) \’Umar (Allah be pleased with him) reported that on one occasion Allah\’s Messenger (Peace and blessings be upon him) stood up among them and said, \”Whoever among you desires the centre of paradise should keep close to the Jama\’ah for the Devil closely accompanies the solitary individual and is more distant from two.\” (Collected by Imam Tirmidhi)

(8) And \’Arfajah (Allah be pleased with him) reported (Allah\’s Messenger, peace be upon him, as saying): \”that Allah\’s hand is over the Jama\’ah and the Devil is with whoever deviates from the Jama\’ah.\” (Collected by Imam al-Tabarani)

(9) \’Abdullah ibn Masood (Allah be pleased with him) reported that once Allah\’s Messenger (Peace be upon him) drew a line in the dust with his hand and said, \”This is the straight path of Allah.\” Then he drew a series of lines to the right of it and to the left and said, \”Each of these paths has a devil at its head inviting people to it.\” He then recited (Qur\’an 6:153), \”Verily this is my straight path so follow it and do not follow the (twisted) paths.\” (Collected by Ahmad, Nisai and Darimi; see Mishkat ul-Masabih, 1/166)

(10) Mu\’adh ibn Jabal (Allah be pleased with him) reported that Allah\’s Messenger (Peace be upon him) said, \”The Devil is like a wolf among humans as a wolf is among sheep; it snatches the stray sheep. So beware of the paths which branch off and adhere to the Jama\’ah, the masses and the masjid.\” (Collected by Imam Ahmad; NB- The version given in Mishkat, 1/184, also on the authority of Imam Ahmad does not have the addition \’the masses and the masjid.\’)

Please read the hadith and comments below and make your own judgement as to what is meant by the Great Majority.

10) Mu\’adh ibn Jabal (Allah be pleased with him) reported that Allah\’s Messenger (Peace be upon him) said, \”The Devil is like a wolf among humans as a wolf is among sheep; it snatches the stray sheep. So beware of the paths which branch off and adhere to the Jama\’ah, the masses and the masjid.\” (Collected by Imam Ahmad; NB- The version given in Mishkat, 1/184, also on the authority of Imam Ahmad does not have the addition \’the masses and the masjid.\’)

(11) And Abu Dharr (Allah be pleased with him) reported from the Prophet (Peace be upon him) that, \”Two are better than one, and three better than two; so stick to the Jama\’ah for verily Allah, Most Great and Glorious, will only unite my nation on guidance.\” (Collected by Ahmad)

(12) Al-Harith al-Ashari (Allah be pleased with him) reported that the Messenger of Allah (Peace be upon him) said:

\”I bid you to do five things: to remain attached to the main body (Jama\’ah of Muslims), listen to your ruler (the Khalif of the Islamic state) and obey him, and migrate, and fight in the way of Allah. And he who detaches himself from the main body of the Muslims (Jama\’ah) to the extent of one span of hand, he in fact, throws off the yoke of Islam from his neck, and he who calls with the call of ignorance, he is one from the denizens of Hell beyond doubt, even if he observes fast and says prayers and considers himself as a Muslim.\” (Musnad Ahmad, vide: Selection from Hadith, no. 288; by A.H. Siddique)
(13) Ibn Umar (Allah be pleased with him) reported Allah\’s Messenger (Peace be upon him) as saying:
\”Follow the great mass (as-Sawad al-Azam) for he who kept himself away from it, in fact would be thrown in Hell Fire.\” (Ibn Majah; vide: Mishkat, 1/174, by A.H. Siddiqui).
The translator of Mishkat-ul-Masabih (A.H. Siddiqui, pg. 113) said in the footnote to the last Hadith:
\”There is a good deal of difference of opinion as to what the term Sawad al-Azam implies. The overwhelming majority of the scholars are of the view that As-Sawad al-Azam means the largest group of the learned scholars and pious persons whose opinions are held in high esteem in Islam.\”
(14) Imam al-Shafi\’i (Rahimahullah) said in his Risala (pg. 252-3):
\”Sufyan (ibn Uyayna) told us from Abd al-Malik ibn Umayr from Abd al-Rahman ibn Abd Allah ibn Masood from his father, that the Prophet (Peace be upon him) said, `God will grant prosperity to His servant who hears my words, remembers them, guards them, and hands them on. Many a transmitter of law is no lawyer (faqih) himself, and many may transmit law to others who are more versed in the law than they. The heart of a Muslim shall never harbour vindictive feelings against three: sincerity in working for God; faithfulness to Muslims; and conformity to the community of believers (Jama\’ah) - their call shall protect (the believers) and guard them from (the Devil\’s) delusion.\’\” (vide: Sunan al-Darimi, vol. 1, pp. 74-6; Ibn Hanbal, vol. 6, pg. 96; Musnad al-Shafi\’i, vol. 1, pg. 16; Mishkat-ul-Masabih, 1/228; and al-Bayhaqi in his al-Madkhal). Imam al-Shafi\’i said (pg. 253): \”The Apostle\’s (Peace be upon him) order that men should follow the Muslim community is a proof that the ijma (consensus) of the Muslims is binding.\”
(15) Imam al-Shafi\’i (Rahimahullah) stated in al-Risala (pg. 286-7):
\”And Sufyan (also) told us from `Abd Allah ibn Abi Labid from `Abd Allah ibn Sulayman ibn Yasar from his father, who said: `Umar ibn al-Khattab (Allah be pleased with him) made a speech at al-Jabiya in which he said: The Apostle of God (Peace be upon him) stood among us by an order from God, as I am now standing among you, and said: Believe my Companions, then those who succeed them (the Successors), and after that those who succeed the Successors; but after them untruthfulness will prevail when people will swear (in support of their saying) without having been asked to swear, and will testify without having been asked to testify. Only those who seek the pleasure of Paradise will follow the community, for the devil can pursue one person, but stands far away from two. Let no man be alone with a woman, for the devil will be third among them. He who is happy with his right (behaviour), or unhappy with his wrong behaviour, is a (true) believer.\’\” (see also Musnad al-Shafi\’i, vol. 2, pg. 187; and Ibn Hanbal, vol. 1, pg. 112-13, 176-81).
Imam al-Shafi\’i said in conclusion to this Hadith:
\”He who holds what the Muslim community (Jama\’ah) holds shall be regarded as following the community, and he who holds differently shall be regarded as opposing the community he was ordered to follow. So the error comes from separation; but in the community as a whole there is no error concerning the meaning of the Qur\’an, the Sunnah, and analogy (qiyas).\”
(16) Imam Hakim (1/116) has related a Sahih Hadith from the Prophet (Peace be upon him) in the following words: \”My Ummah shall not agree upon error.\”
(17) Imam al-Tirmidhi (4/2167) reported on the authority of Ibn Umar (Allah be pleased with him) from the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace), who said: \”Verily my Ummah would not agree (or he said the Ummah of Muhammad) would not agree upon error and Allah\’s hand is over the group and whoever dissents from them departs to Hell.\” (see also Mishkat, 1/173)

Imam al-Azizi (d. 1070/1660; Rahimahullah) quoted Imam al-Munawi\’s (d. 1031/1622; Rahimahullah) commentary to the last Hadith in his al-Siraj al-munir sharh al-Jami al-saghir (3.449), as follows:- Allah\’s hand is over the group

(al-Azizi): Munawi says, \”Meaning his protection and preservation of them, signifying that the collectivity of the people of Islam are in Allah\’s fold, so be also in Allah\’s shelter, in the midst of them, and do not separate yourselves from them.\” The rest of the Hadith, according to the one who first recorded it (Tirmidhi), is:-

and whoever descents from them departs to hell.
Meaning that whoever diverges from the overwhelming majority concerning what is lawful or unlawful and on which the Community does not differ has slipped off the path of guidance and this will lead him to hell.\”