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Inside The Red Mosque (Lal Masjid) – Al Jazeera English

  • Author: MR
  • Filed under: Video
  • Date: Aug 2,2007 | 09:23 AM

This is a really good 4-part video of a Muslim journalist inside the Red Mosque aka Lal Masjid. From the videos you will see that the Islamic school was just like any other Islamic school in terms of education. The issue were the activism of the students, especially the women. You will also see that Maulana Ghazi wanted to surrender but Pakistan rejected that and instead went inside and murdered him and 100s of his students. Allah knows best.

Other Muslim bloggers write more on the issue:

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  • 33 Responses for "Inside The Red Mosque (Lal Masjid) – Al Jazeera English"

    1. AlBaraa August 2nd, 2007 at 1:00 pm

      It was an interesting special. In all honesty, I really don’t know what to say or think after having watched it. Whole ton of questions ringing in the head.

    2. Nuqtah August 2nd, 2007 at 1:08 pm

      Bro I don’t think killing 100 plus students is ‘some’.

    3. Mujahideen Ryder August 2nd, 2007 at 1:10 pm

      Nuqtah on August 2, 2007 at 1:08 pm said:

      Bro I don’t think killing 100 plus students is ‘some’.

      English is my first language and I went to public school in America, so my vocabulary is weak. Sorry. Have any suggestions?

    4. Nuqtah August 2nd, 2007 at 1:30 pm

      If this is your idea of sarcasm, then it puts me off but khair. No hard feelings.

    5. Mujahideen Ryder August 2nd, 2007 at 1:57 pm

      Nuqtah on August 2, 2007 at 1:30 pm said:

      If this is your idea of sarcasm, then it puts me off but khair. No hard feelings.

      No I was serious bro. You can ask a lot of my sister and my mother. They read over my essays. I’ll replace more with ‘100s’.

    6. Thomas Paine August 2nd, 2007 at 2:28 pm

      Are you serious? somebody from inside a mosque shoots at you for hours and hours. They talk about suicide bombing and never surrendering. They talk about islamic law. Then when you storm the place, the beard says “i give up”. That’s surrendering? And the women of that mosque were bombs waiting to be wired. You shouldve seen what they were wearing – black robes and carrying big bamboo sticks. I’d hate to see pakistan become saudi arabia with its lawless religious police. Thank god more soldiers weren’t killed and its so unfortunate that a 100 more of those lal masjid extremists couldnt be sent to…”heaven”. I love how people love to talk about how bad the government, the MAN is. If it werent for the brains in charge of pakistan who came up with the nuclear bomb (not the guys who keep talking about religion and praying for success), pakistan wouldve gone down with afghanistan as another casualty of recent american imperialism.

    7. my nintendo wii August 2nd, 2007 at 3:00 pm

      i am typing this from my wii. this is cool.

    8. ... August 2nd, 2007 at 3:07 pm

      rough estimate of ppl who dies were around 700-800- their body parts were dumbed in nearby garbage (which was found later on)

      How could a govt be so curel to its own citizens and not even give them a funeral???? subhanAllah, its supposed a govt run my Muslims, i wonder how could they even sleep 2 night after killing 700+ innocent ppl.

    9. ... August 2nd, 2007 at 3:11 pm

      ok i made so many errors- thats wht happens when u write from work :)

    10. Mujahideen Ryder August 2nd, 2007 at 3:19 pm

      on August 2, 2007 at 3:07 pm said:

      rough estimate of ppl who dies were around 700-800- their body parts were dumbed in nearby garbage (which was found later on)

      How could a govt be so curel to its own citizens and not even give them a funeral???? subhanAllah, its supposed a govt run my Muslims, i wonder how could they even sleep 2 night after killing 700+ innocent ppl.

      Your Arab aren’t you. Dumbed…hahahahahahaha

    11. Amad August 2nd, 2007 at 3:26 pm

      salam MR… in order to give ppl some perspective, since you haven’t delved into this topic before, I suggest linking to the articles we have on this topic and that Chowrangi has, etc. One post on MM has all the links to a variety of opinions…I would have put them in the comment but it may be more beneficial to have those links in the post… of course if you think its useful…

    12. Mujahideen Ryder August 2nd, 2007 at 3:30 pm

      Amad on August 2, 2007 at 3:26 pm said:

      salam MR… in order to give ppl some perspective, since you haven’t delved into this topic before, I suggest linking to the articles we have on this topic and that Chowrangi has, etc. One post on MM has all the links to a variety of opinions…I would have put them in the comment but it may be more beneficial to have those links in the post… of course if you think its useful…

      Good idea!

    13. moneysworthless August 2nd, 2007 at 3:40 pm

      so confusing.

      Of course, the deaths were tragic, but I don’t think the stance is made clear. IS this meant to imply that what those people were doing is right? (And I’m not saying the government’s actions were correct either)

    14. grammar police August 2nd, 2007 at 3:57 pm

      Mujahideen Ryder on August 2, 2007 at 3:19 pm said:

      Your Arab aren’t you. Dumbed…hahahahahahaha

      your – should be you’re

    15. Mujahideen Ryder August 2nd, 2007 at 4:07 pm

      grammar police on August 2, 2007 at 3:57 pm said:

      your – should be you’re

      You need a job? I need a proofreader for my posts.

    16. Mujahideen Ryder August 2nd, 2007 at 4:09 pm

      moneysworthless on August 2, 2007 at 3:40 pm said:

      so confusing.

      Of course, the deaths were tragic, but I don’t think the stance is made clear. IS this meant to imply that what those people were doing is right? (And I’m not saying the government’s actions were correct either)

      I didn’t like the way those sisters were acting like vigilantes. It’s kinda weird having 1,000s of sisters all wearing black fully covered except for the eyes and hands waving sticks thinking they will establish a khilafah instantaneously.

    17. AlBaraa August 2nd, 2007 at 4:52 pm

      Mujahideen Ryder on August 2, 2007 at 4:09 pm said:

      I didn’t like the way those sisters were acting like vigilantes. It’s kinda weird having 1,000s of sisters all wearing black fully covered except for the eyes and hands waving sticks thinking they will establish a khilafah instantaneously.

      They weren’t trying to establish a khilafa. All the actions they took, were enforcing the current laws of the land. Whether they should have taken matters into thier own hands…idk what that proper perspective on that is.

      They said that porn penthouses, and parlors of those types aren’t allowed according the paki law, and when they called the police and govt to deal with such places, there was no response. — this was apparently happening for months.

      When they took action, shutting those places down, thats when things got ugly on the govt’s side. — watch the documentary again.

    18. pbuh August 2nd, 2007 at 5:09 pm

      Check out what these people (virulently Jewish) are saying about Islam?!! What the heck?!

      http://oybay.wordpress.com/2007/08/01/three-cheers-for-colonialism/

    19. moneysworthless August 2nd, 2007 at 5:33 pm

      It’s all such a mess. It’s been tough finding unbiased media to get information, and even then, things are left out. Take the brothels, its fair to take action, but is kidnapping the Chinese women the right answer? Were they willing prostitutes or enslaved? And shouldn’t they be going after the people who run the brothel in the first place?

      We make a point through our actions, but those actions are not meant to constitute the murder of innocent people or attacking blindly. Many of the students in the Masjid may have been pawns, the people who control them (i.e. Ghazi) are the ones who need to eb stopped.

      Allah knows best, I hope there is a solution to this.

    20. abu ameerah August 2nd, 2007 at 9:18 pm

      @ RYDER:

      Ohhhhh! I recently came across these clips as well and I was oh so close to posting them myself. You’ve done it again RYDER … you’ve done it again! Oh yeah, btw, what’s up with the audio change in your title? What happened to “Mawla Ya-Ya Mawla” ???

      @ Moneysworthless:

      “…but is kidnapping the Chinese women the right answer?”

      Call it an overzealous version of a “citizens arrest”. Weren’t the women eventually freed though? Finally, are the actions taken by students of the Lal Masjid any worse than this: http://cbs5.com/topstories/local_story_328214757.html

      “…(i.e. Ghazi) are the ones who need to eb stopped.”

      If by “stopped” you mean killed … then Busharraf did exactly that.

    21. Abu Dani August 2nd, 2007 at 10:39 pm

      Mujahideen Ryder on August 2, 2007 at 4:09 pm said:

      I didn’t like the way those sisters were acting like vigilantes. It’s kinda weird having 1,000s of sisters all wearing black fully covered except for the eyes and hands waving sticks thinking they will establish a khilafah instantaneously.

      from Imam Nawawi’s 40 Hadith (no.34):

      Abi Sa’id Al-Khudri r.a. said: I heard the Prophet S.A.W. mention: “For those among you who witness any misdeeds/vice, he should prevent using his hands(force), if he is unable to do so, than with his tounge(speech), and if still unable, than with his heart(uneasiness/disagree), for that is the weakest of Iman”. Riwayat Imam Muslim (no:49).

      Sorry for the bad translation.

    22. moneysworthless August 2nd, 2007 at 10:42 pm

      I was unaware, thanks for pointing that out. And it does not justify kidnapping. And like I mentioned earlier, I don’t advocate Musharraf, and neither do I support Ghazi. Both sold out the people they claim to support.

    23. Thomas Paine August 2nd, 2007 at 11:06 pm

      The Pipers play the tune and the rodents run willingly behind, claiming a willingness to follow him wherever he leads. But does anybody really know why the Piper is so angry all the time?Let’s get real here folks. Humans have a need for certain types of enjoyment. A porn parlor doesnt strike me as particularly egregious, especially given a society where young men likely dont have many outlets for enjoyment – indeed, where some men aren’t even able to marry w/o sufficient funds and/or connections. Consider that such businesses are driven by human nature and wouldnt exist were it not for demand. Then ask yourself, how many of these lal masjid teenage lemmings would visit the place if they could get away with it? I’ll bet a good protion. Just like i’ll bet that the priest abuse scandal in the US wasn’t an incident isolated to the US Catholic community…then the evangelical community, then the mormons…you catch my drift? Dollars to donuts, there are more than a few big gray beards spouting talk of sharia law to make up for personal guilt resulting from a little hanky panky on the side. Don’t fall for it. Just read the Scarlet Letter if you don’t get it yet.

    24. mike August 3rd, 2007 at 3:26 am

      WOW!!! I dont know what to say about this one! What I do know is that in times were great change comes into societies around the world it is ALWAYS students that initiate that change sometimes violently and sometimes peacefully. And many times it is the students that are imprisoned or murdered even after the state, country, or society finally see and put into affect whatever it was that the students were trying to accomplish.

      as far as my views on the women in these videos I only pray that were more of equal determination and devotion to God.

    25. abu ameerah August 3rd, 2007 at 9:40 pm

      @ Thomas Paine:

      “Just read the Scarlet Letter if you don’t get it yet.”

      Read it ages ago. I don’t, however, see what a (brilliant) work by Nathaniel Hawthorne has to do with this tragic incident. The kinds of actions taken by the students (mostly female) of the Lal Masjid are almost inevitable in any society where you have a complete breakdown of law & order.

      The police in Pakistan are known to be among the most corrupt and abusive in the world. So, I don’t seem to see what the big deal is with the detention of women allegedly involved in a local prostitution ring. Perhaps if the police and local government officials were busy doing their jobs instead of looking to acquire the next bribe (rishwat) — this tragedy could have been avoided.

    26. Thomas Paine August 4th, 2007 at 8:22 pm

      Ill tell you what it has to do with it. These women didn’t act of their own volition. They’re young, impressionable, living in a highly restricted society. As is the case everywhere, they are doing what they believe is right based on what they’ve been taught by someone else (the head terrorist of the mosque). I can guarantee you that guy is no saint (pardon the use). He might have found something useful to do other than talk big and appeal to the suicide morons if he wanted to accomplish something positive in life. You get it now? These people have to talk big or soon people will realize how worthless they really are. And really, the only tragic thing is that one suicide bomber can take out alot of innocent people. Given that, i would have loved to see more of the future bombs realize their potential a few weeks ago

    27. mike August 4th, 2007 at 9:14 pm

      sorry brother that to me has absolutely nothing to do with the scarlet letter

    28. abu ameerah August 4th, 2007 at 11:16 pm

      @ Thomas Paine:

      Again, I still don’t seem to see linkages of any substance vis-a-vis Hawthorne’s Scarlett Letter and the Lal Masjid tragedy. Furthermore, if you the think the Scarlett Letter was merely about “impressionable” women … you kinda missed the point. Either you didn’t read the book … or your high school teacher didn’t do much of a good job of explaining it. Well, I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and just assume that you were too drunk during college years to have payed attention during Western Lit 200.

      “highly restricted society…”

      Really? I suppose you’ve been there to know that? Or you could just be pulling out from where the sun don’t shine based on what you’ve seen of Fox News.

      “These people have to talk big…”

      Actually you seem to do a lot of talking. Personally, I think you’re “worthless” as well.

      “…future bombs realize their potential a few weeks ago”

      Since you’re such and informed person … and by “informed” I mean complete idiot …

      Where were the suicide bombers that you and Busharraf speak of? Did they just fail to detonate the bombs on themselves? Or were Pakistani paramilitary forces – who couldn’t effectively corral a bunch of women and teenage girls – just tooooo darn good in their counter offensive?

      DESPITE the name … you sir are NO Thomas Paine!

    29. Thomas Paine August 5th, 2007 at 12:21 am

      –Really? I suppose you’ve been there to know that? Or you could just be pulling out from where the sun don’t shine based on what you’ve seen of Fox News.—-

      oh! Abu ameerah, listen douchebag. First clean the sand outta your vagina. Its making you irritable. You just like to lump anyone reasonable as a Bushy who listens to fox? I didnt vote for em. Meanwhile, you prayed for osama to become president. Whose the moron? BTW, I had to use a translator to figure out what you were trying to tell me. After I figured it out, I realized this whole thing is a big misunderstanding. See the book I’m talking about? Didnt have 3 bears and a blonde. Its the one with the REVERAND Dimmesdale. That was the whole point you moron. The guy who, after committing his sin had to speak out louder and louder to “atone” for his past sins. He preached like hell and week by week he got more preachy as a sort of self flagellation over his own past sins. To make it real clear for you bc it looks like you might need it, I could bet big money the guy in charge of that red mosque probably visited some girls/boys on past occasion. You got it now? Now go take care of that problem.

    30. Nuqtah August 5th, 2007 at 4:22 am

      Jzak Allah for the clarification bro MR.

      Regarding Lal Masjid issue: although I don’t agree with their actions but it was sort of a last resort. With all the fahsha wal munkar spreading in the society, and the govt. not doing anything about it; they had no recourse but to take such actions. But still, had they committed a ‘crime’ that was tantamount to them being slaughtered mercilessly?

    31. Thomas Paine August 5th, 2007 at 10:10 am

      Nuqtah on August 5, 2007 at 4:22 am said:

      Jzak Allah for the clarification bro MR.

      Regarding Lal Masjid issue: although I don’t agree with their actions but it was sort of a last resort. With all the fahsha wal munkar spreading in the society, and the govt. not doing anything about it; they had no recourse but to take such actions. But still, had they committed a ‘crime’ that was tantamount to them being slaughtered mercilessly?

      They were allowed to leave weren’t they? They didn’t. And they shot and killed innocent people over the course of a few weeks, including soldiers. AND PAKISTAN IS NOT A SHARIA STATE. If it were, they probably would never have had the brains to come up with the bomb…in fact they probably wouldnt have running water. And what are people doing about the millions of tons of opium being produced in afghanistan? All of a sudden its cool to make money off drugs? People ought to concentrate on the bigger issues rather than kill over some brothel that probably got most of its business from those students in the first place.

    32. abu ameerah August 8th, 2007 at 3:22 am

      @ The blogger currently know as Thomas Paine:

      “Meanwhile, you prayed for osama to become president.”

      Was he really on the ballot in ’04? Maybe you got the info from Fox? I could add a whole lot more at this point … but that would result in me coming down to your level (involving sin and ingnorance).

      “BTW, I had to use a translator to figure out what you were trying to tell me.”

      Yeah. I’m sorry…I should’ve realized that you were unable to read. Sorry, my bad.

      “Its the one with the REVERAND Dimmesdale.”

      Ahh yes! I on the other hand was focusing on the central character in the Scarlett Letter, Hester Prynne, who we as readers are introduced to in the very opening of the book and for whom there even was the shame and humiliation of a scarlett letter to wear. While Arther Dimmesdale is certainly a central character in the book…I doubt that one could seriously make the argument that the book hinges solely on his role in the adulterous affair.

      Also, while it may be the case that Hawthorne chose to dedicate a significant portion of the Scarlett Letter on Dimmesdale’s “secret” (that of being a religious person having committed a sin resulting in a child that he cannot claim as his own) — our protagonist clearly is Hester Prynne (the main character) — for whom it seems Hawthorne writes much of the book around. In addition, there are many in academia who have made the case that Hester Prynne represent Hawthorne’s most delevoped character in the Scarlett Letter.

      I apologize if I was focusing on the book’s main character. My bad. I am also happy that you managed to dig up your Cliffs Notes from your college days…

      Just a couple of points though:

      1. Try sticking to the actual issue brought up in the post. That way you won’t manage to get off topic and end up becoming muddled by nonsense…

      2. Since you claim to be a Muslim (and NO I am NOT making takfir since some will parse through my words) — try showing a bit more hayaa when you deal with others. As Ibn Abbas (radiallahu’an) said:
      “Modesty and faith are like two horns. If one is removed, the other one follows it.”

      …And Allah (azza wa jall) knows best…

    33. Thomas Paine August 11th, 2007 at 2:04 pm

      @abu ameerah – I don’t know what its like wherever you come from, but in America, brevity and getting to a point quickly are signs of intelligence.

      You missed my allusion to the good reveverand in comparison to the lal masjid imams? Thats called poor reading comprehension.
      Bravo for studying this work in college – I always saw it more as a work for junior high students (its probably different wherever you are).

      And as for your concluding point, as Abu Dabi said…Am I supposed to translate your arabic into english??
      And my final point: all prayer and no exposure to the real world (non muslims and women) makes abu ameerah a very narrow minded dude. Suggestion: please clean yourself out, those grains of sand in there are making you irritable.

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