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	<title>Comments on: Fasting on the 13th, 14th and 15th of Sha&#8217;ban</title>
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		<title>By: vahhabiman</title>
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		<dc:creator>vahhabiman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2007 17:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you know how these sufis do? they make stuff up call it islam, and if you dont agree with them they call you vahhabi and all types of other names. they are just a bunch of haters cause many people are starting to read quran and hadeeth and think RATIONALLY, which in their eyes means they are being brainwashed by saudi vahhabi extremists. no sufi man, people are just usin their heads these days. they want people to blindly follow their sheikhs and not read the quran because thas the only way people will listen to them. they are just like jews and catholic priests, they dont want you to question anything and keep you blind and ignorant. these are the type of people responisble for our ummah being so backwards and uneducated about the deen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you know how these sufis do? they make stuff up call it islam, and if you dont agree with them they call you vahhabi and all types of other names. they are just a bunch of haters cause many people are starting to read quran and hadeeth and think RATIONALLY, which in their eyes means they are being brainwashed by saudi vahhabi extremists. no sufi man, people are just usin their heads these days. they want people to blindly follow their sheikhs and not read the quran because thas the only way people will listen to them. they are just like jews and catholic priests, they dont want you to question anything and keep you blind and ignorant. these are the type of people responisble for our ummah being so backwards and uneducated about the deen.</p>
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		<title>By: dontbesad</title>
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		<dc:creator>dontbesad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2007 22:50:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Asalaamu alikum,

Jazak'allah for bringing this to our attention. In the upcoming month, we should also make an effort to fast (Muharram), insha'allah.

Wa alikum salaam



Don't be sad</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Asalaamu alikum,</p>
<p>Jazak&#8217;allah for bringing this to our attention. In the upcoming month, we should also make an effort to fast (Muharram), insha&#8217;allah.</p>
<p>Wa alikum salaam</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t be sad</p>
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		<title>By: Abu Safiyyah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abu Safiyyah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 08:51:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a nice piece written on the issue:
http://web.mac.com/jawziyyah/iWeb/The%20Jawziyyah%20Institute/Home_files/Shaban.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a nice piece written on the issue:<br />
<a href="http://web.mac.com/jawziyyah/iWeb/The%20Jawziyyah%20Institute/Home_files/Shaban.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://web.mac.com/jawziyyah/iWeb/The%20Jawziyyah%20Institute/Home_files/Shaban.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: BostonMuslim</title>
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		<dc:creator>BostonMuslim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 18:53:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>so who is going to ISNA?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so who is going to ISNA?</p>
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		<title>By: muslim brother</title>
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		<dc:creator>muslim brother</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 03:11:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh and one more thing, specifying the days of Shaban as days of fasting is an authentic practice of Rasulullah (sall Allah alahi wa sallam) and is mashru'.  The debate was about singling out the 15th as a special day.

And Allah knows best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh and one more thing, specifying the days of Shaban as days of fasting is an authentic practice of Rasulullah (sall Allah alahi wa sallam) and is mashru&#8217;.  The debate was about singling out the 15th as a special day.</p>
<p>And Allah knows best.</p>
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		<title>By: muslim brother</title>
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		<dc:creator>muslim brother</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 03:09:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[Comment ID #51680 Will Be Quoted Here]

Assalamu Alaikum Ginny,

Yes the Ulema have differed since the time of the companions.  The sahabah fought and killed each other over some issues, and they are the best example for us to follow.  May Allah forgive them and us.

And what you say is true: just because there is debate about an issue does not mean that both sides can be correct.  What matters more is adab and akhlaq.

May Allah reward you for your sincerity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote class='comment_quote'><p><a href="http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2007/08/25/fasting-on-the-15th-of-shaban-or-tuesday-august-28-2007/#comment-51680" title="Click here to view the original comment">Ginny <font size=0> on August 27, 2007 at 11:23 pm</font> said:</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Secondly, in ‘ibaadat all acts have to come from Qur’an and Sunnah. The principle in usool: Everything is haraam except that which the shari’ah texts allow.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Assalamu alaikum, perhaps I&#8217;m getting this confused with something else, but I thouht it was the other way around, that &#8220;everything was permissible unless strictly prohibited by the Sharia&#8221;?  Maybe I&#8217;m confusing acts of worship with general everyday things, but then again, everyday things can be acts of worship too.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;d sure hate this to turn into a &#8220;debate&#8221; as to who is wrong or who is not, if you don&#8217;t believe in singling out the days of Sha&#8217;baan, then don&#8217;t!  However, it&#8217;s possible that there may be a &#8220;sharia&#8221; basis for doing so.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m just getting the &#8220;here we go again&#8221; feeling, in that I detect this sort of slidng into fiqhi debates, etc.</p>
<p>But anyway&#8230;</p></blockquote>
<p>Assalamu Alaikum Ginny,</p>
<p>Yes the Ulema have differed since the time of the companions.  The sahabah fought and killed each other over some issues, and they are the best example for us to follow.  May Allah forgive them and us.</p>
<p>And what you say is true: just because there is debate about an issue does not mean that both sides can be correct.  What matters more is adab and akhlaq.</p>
<p>May Allah reward you for your sincerity.</p>
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		<title>By: muslim brother</title>
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		<dc:creator>muslim brother</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 00:48:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Luqman, to ease your confusion:

1-All acts of worship are deemed impermissible unless proven permissible. Mundane acts (aadah) are permissible until proven impermissible.  All of the Ulema agree on this.  See the commentary of the fifth hadith in the 40 hadith of an-nawawi and you will find scholars from all backgrounds agreeing.  This is basic knowledge.

2-Acts of aadah can be converted to Ibadah with the proper intention.  Again, not a single scholar disagrees on this.

3-An aadah ibadah differs from an original mashroo' ibadah because an aadah that is converted to an ibadah can be easily converted back to an aadah wihtout the intention.  not so for actual ibadah.  therefore fasting cannot be considered an aadah, unless someone wakes up in the morning, decides to fast, and makes his intention to fast before maghrib.  but this has nothing to do with our discussion since we are singling out the 13th, 14th, and 15th of shaban.

4-fasting is not and never considered an aadah.  therefore to single out a specific day of the year and say that it is a special day to fast without authentic proof is bid'ah according to some ulema.  
other ulema have said that a person can act upon weak ahadith provided
1-that they do not believe it to be a legal ruling from the sunnah (mashroo' min as-sunnah) 
2-that they do not obligate or institutionalize it.
3-they do not seek the reward mentioned in the weak hadith.
4-That is goes back to an act of the sunnah.  (Which does not include the hadhra or the mawlid in the opinion of my teachers.  But it does include fasting.  But again...not tangents :)

other scholars do not see number 2 as a requirement for acting upon weak ahadith.  hence you see one camp calling to it and other camps not calling to it.

Nobody is saying not to fast on the 15th of Shaban.  I am saying to follow the authentic sunnah and fast 13th, 14th and 15th as reported by the authentic sunnah.  May Allah bless Mujahideen Ryder for understanding this point.

Seriously, what happened to the "being safe" that the madhabis seem to throw out at the "salafis" every time their fiqhi ideology is debated?

If you wish to base your Islam on weakness then so be it.  I can do nothing but convey the message.  

Did you even read the fatwa of sunnipath above? Realize that their fatwa is consistent with what I am saying, not you.  Their fatwa is consistent with the third category i mentioned above.

So Luqman take MR as an example and understand what it being said before shooting off on tangents and making left-field remarks.

This is very basic knowledge.  May Allah guide us all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Luqman, to ease your confusion:</p>
<p>1-All acts of worship are deemed impermissible unless proven permissible. Mundane acts (aadah) are permissible until proven impermissible.  All of the Ulema agree on this.  See the commentary of the fifth hadith in the 40 hadith of an-nawawi and you will find scholars from all backgrounds agreeing.  This is basic knowledge.</p>
<p>2-Acts of aadah can be converted to Ibadah with the proper intention.  Again, not a single scholar disagrees on this.</p>
<p>3-An aadah ibadah differs from an original mashroo&#8217; ibadah because an aadah that is converted to an ibadah can be easily converted back to an aadah wihtout the intention.  not so for actual ibadah.  therefore fasting cannot be considered an aadah, unless someone wakes up in the morning, decides to fast, and makes his intention to fast before maghrib.  but this has nothing to do with our discussion since we are singling out the 13th, 14th, and 15th of shaban.</p>
<p>4-fasting is not and never considered an aadah.  therefore to single out a specific day of the year and say that it is a special day to fast without authentic proof is bid&#8217;ah according to some ulema.<br />
other ulema have said that a person can act upon weak ahadith provided<br />
1-that they do not believe it to be a legal ruling from the sunnah (mashroo&#8217; min as-sunnah)<br />
2-that they do not obligate or institutionalize it.<br />
3-they do not seek the reward mentioned in the weak hadith.<br />
4-That is goes back to an act of the sunnah.  (Which does not include the hadhra or the mawlid in the opinion of my teachers.  But it does include fasting.  But again&#8230;not tangents <img src='http://www.mujahideenryder.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>other scholars do not see number 2 as a requirement for acting upon weak ahadith.  hence you see one camp calling to it and other camps not calling to it.</p>
<p>Nobody is saying not to fast on the 15th of Shaban.  I am saying to follow the authentic sunnah and fast 13th, 14th and 15th as reported by the authentic sunnah.  May Allah bless Mujahideen Ryder for understanding this point.</p>
<p>Seriously, what happened to the &#8220;being safe&#8221; that the madhabis seem to throw out at the &#8220;salafis&#8221; every time their fiqhi ideology is debated?</p>
<p>If you wish to base your Islam on weakness then so be it.  I can do nothing but convey the message.  </p>
<p>Did you even read the fatwa of sunnipath above? Realize that their fatwa is consistent with what I am saying, not you.  Their fatwa is consistent with the third category i mentioned above.</p>
<p>So Luqman take MR as an example and understand what it being said before shooting off on tangents and making left-field remarks.</p>
<p>This is very basic knowledge.  May Allah guide us all.</p>
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		<title>By: Luqman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luqman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 19:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ginny, you are correct.  Everything is permissible, unless stated otherwise.  I am not sure where these two individuals studied their deen from.  This is very "basic" knowledge.  May Allah guide all of us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ginny, you are correct.  Everything is permissible, unless stated otherwise.  I am not sure where these two individuals studied their deen from.  This is very &#8220;basic&#8221; knowledge.  May Allah guide all of us.</p>
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		<title>By: Ginny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ginny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 03:23:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Secondly, in ‘ibaadat all acts have to come from Qur’an and Sunnah. The principle in usool: Everything is haraam except that which the shari’ah texts allow."  

Assalamu alaikum, perhaps I'm getting this confused with something else, but I thouht it was the other way around, that "everything was permissible unless strictly prohibited by the Sharia"?  Maybe I'm confusing acts of worship with general everyday things, but then again, everyday things can be acts of worship too.  

I'd sure hate this to turn into a "debate" as to who is wrong or who is not, if you don't believe in singling out the days of Sha'baan, then don't!  However, it's possible that there may be a "sharia" basis for doing so.  


I'm just getting the "here we go again" feeling, in that I detect this sort of slidng into fiqhi debates, etc.


But anyway...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Secondly, in ‘ibaadat all acts have to come from Qur’an and Sunnah. The principle in usool: Everything is haraam except that which the shari’ah texts allow.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Assalamu alaikum, perhaps I&#8217;m getting this confused with something else, but I thouht it was the other way around, that &#8220;everything was permissible unless strictly prohibited by the Sharia&#8221;?  Maybe I&#8217;m confusing acts of worship with general everyday things, but then again, everyday things can be acts of worship too.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;d sure hate this to turn into a &#8220;debate&#8221; as to who is wrong or who is not, if you don&#8217;t believe in singling out the days of Sha&#8217;baan, then don&#8217;t!  However, it&#8217;s possible that there may be a &#8220;sharia&#8221; basis for doing so.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m just getting the &#8220;here we go again&#8221; feeling, in that I detect this sort of slidng into fiqhi debates, etc.</p>
<p>But anyway&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Luqman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luqman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 22:26:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Abdul Hasib &#38; Muslim brother: 
Are these 3 conditions you mentioned guidelines in the Quran &#38; the Hadith?  
Do you know of any ayah in the Quran or any hadith that supports, for ie., doing a dua at the end of Witr Prayer in Ramadan?  As I am sure both of you know this is done all over the Muslim world as "part of their ibadat".  
If the Ummah of Scholars did not believe in the reward, would they do this for generations (along with other practices)?  
This is one simple example.  Please answer.  
May Allah guide all of us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Abdul Hasib &amp; Muslim brother:<br />
Are these 3 conditions you mentioned guidelines in the Quran &amp; the Hadith?<br />
Do you know of any ayah in the Quran or any hadith that supports, for ie., doing a dua at the end of Witr Prayer in Ramadan?  As I am sure both of you know this is done all over the Muslim world as &#8220;part of their ibadat&#8221;.<br />
If the Ummah of Scholars did not believe in the reward, would they do this for generations (along with other practices)?<br />
This is one simple example.  Please answer.<br />
May Allah guide all of us.</p>
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