The End - 2000 to 2009

Excellent speech by Barack Obama:

“I’ve seen how politics can be used to make us afraid of each other and how we turn on each other. How fear can cloud our judgement. And Suddenly we start scapegoating gay people or immigrants or people who don’t look like us or Muslims, because our own lives aren’t going well.”

InshaAllah he becomes the next president!


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    1. Umm Layth February 17th, 2008 at 2:06 pm

      He’s a very powerful speaker. Insha’Allah he will be the next president.

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    3. DANIEL ABDAL-HAYY MOORE February 17th, 2008 at 5:46 pm

      Now there’s a leader… May Allah protect him… I can’t help weeping at the glad prospect of these words coming true… insha’Allah. Thanks for posting this!! Shaykh Hamza on the telephone yesterday said that the Prophet Muhammad, peace of Allah be upon him, gave him the name Husein, because until the Prophet brought that name to the Arabs they hadn’t had it in their vocabulary. So for me it’s Blessing Obama, versus Mc Cain (who slew Abel!). No choice!!

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    5. Mikail Abdulhakim Diddams February 18th, 2008 at 1:09 am

      I don’t support him because he wont end our wars on behalf of the rich. He also is a strong supporter of the Israeli occupation, which frequently refuses to let young Muslims visit Al-Aqsa and does all of the other evil things we know about. I support Roger Calero of the Socialist Workers Party.

    6. Adam February 18th, 2008 at 1:28 am

      Mikail – you need to know that there are very few who have ANY chance of winning anything, sometimes it is best to go with the lesser evil – who may have the inclination of ending wars. Barack was anti-war and he may end the war.

      Nobody can become president if they dont support Israel, thats a pre-requisite. But then again the freedom of Palestine isn’t nescessarily in the hands of the US entirely.

      Would you want Hilary or Barack, you may just have to choose.

    7. samir February 18th, 2008 at 7:49 am

      I think this is not among his better speeches…..thats how good this guy is!

    8. Abu Ahmad February 18th, 2008 at 8:13 am

      Are you guys stupid? This is the same person who said he’ll attack pakistan if he comes in to power.

    9. stupid February 18th, 2008 at 8:53 am

      Mikail Abdulhakim Diddams on February 18, 2008 at 1:09 am said:

      I don’t support him because he wont end our wars on behalf of the rich. He also is a strong supporter of the Israeli occupation, which frequently refuses to let young Muslims visit Al-Aqsa and does all of the other evil things we know about. I support Roger Calero of the Socialist Workers Party.

      You can’t be President of the US if you don’t support Israel.

      Abu Ahmad on February 18, 2008 at 8:13 am said:

      Are you guys stupid? This is the same person who said he’ll attack pakistan if he comes in to power.

      The Taliban and Al-Qaeda also are attacking Pakistan.

    10. Ibraheem February 18th, 2008 at 5:22 pm

      He’s the best one out there.

    11. uberhim February 18th, 2008 at 7:01 pm

      Have you seen this?: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vACOtmwckGc

    12. Stupid February 18th, 2008 at 9:32 pm

      uberhim on February 18, 2008 at 7:01 pm said:

      Have you seen this?: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vACOtmwckGc

      Yeah Barack Obama asked that guy if he could use some of his lines in his speech. Clinton tried to call him on plagiarism but Barack asked the guy to use the few words.

    13. uberhim February 18th, 2008 at 10:38 pm

      This was literally just posted on the NY Times website a minute ago: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/19/us/politics/19campaign.html?hp

      The morning papers didn’t have any substantive responses from the Obama campaign – the Wall Street Journal’s “Washington Wire” blog had even mentioned Biden’s withdrawal from the 1998 presidential race after a similar accusation was leveled against him: http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/02/18/war-over-words/?mod=googlenews_wsj.

      Given all that has been said about Obama’s faith, it’s interesting how all of this has overshadowed his reference to Muslims in the speech.

    14. uberhim February 18th, 2008 at 11:21 pm

      Sorry for the sudden spate of comments. Apparently, some of the morning papers did carry powerful responses from Obama to the allegations: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/18/us/politics/18video.html?ref=todayspaper

      It’s interesting that the Wall Street Journal (cited above) didn’t make any mention of the more compelling explanations offered. I guess that’s Murdoch’s money at work, no?

    15. Daniel Abdal-Hayy Moore February 19th, 2008 at 1:50 pm

      This whole thing reminds me of the phrase, “Amateurs borrow, geniuses steal.” In the great cosmic web of words and phrases and ideas in the world now, via our quick electronic media, it’s all become rather liquid, and overlaptive… (new word, go ahead, steal it!). Dylan’s last album was dismissed by some because he used some lines from an obscure Civil War poet in his songs… Sad, because it’s a great album with very strong songs. And Dylan still rocks! Obama borrowing a strong idea and the same examples and a number of words from a colleague’s speech, with immediate acknowledgment, for me outweighs Clinton’s highly divisive political calculations and McCain’s seriously warmongering neo-conism… sorry.

    16. Omar M. February 19th, 2008 at 10:50 pm

      what in the world is he talking about? at the end of the 20 minute speech, I have no idea what he was talking about – he keeps saying we will change, we will hope – but to where? i have not heard too much of a plan from this guy – ALSO – for those who are praying for him to be president – HOLD your prayers, and stop praying for Obama to be president and and pray for the person to be elected president, that when HE or SHE be elected, will be better for the world and for your brothers and sisters – and that will not necessarily be the nicest person or the most just person or the one who seems to be the most just (that was said with the most politeness :) – remember 8 years ago how the muslim population rallied behind GW so strongly? I am hearing this allll over again, from many people how Obama is the MAN – everyone needs to RELAX and stop thinking they know who the lesser of the two evils is – because if you think you know who the lesser of the two evils is, you pretty much lost 90 percent of the intellectual battle you were faced with – we don’t know these people, NO one does – who the heck knew Obama before this year? Not many – so remember he is JUST talking – jabbering on in order to WIN – and he is not alone and nor as his ideas or thoughts or plans – he has HUNDREDS and if not thousands behind him, just like the rest of them – so don’t get too happy that someone can give a speech that kind of always sounds like MLK giving his “I have a dream speech” — STOP, THINK and understand the time and place in history we are in, and then make your decision – and if you got the right to vote, do it, but if you don’t know how to vote for, don’t vote man – because thats just ridiculous

    17. lamia February 20th, 2008 at 8:01 am

      Assalam ou ‘alikoum,

      I would like to know why do you support Obama? Why Obama and not Hilary or another person? I need to know what his qualities are. What is his program? Does he have a good speech about muslims or islam?
      And, in france they said that his father is muslim, that’s right? But Obama decided to become a christian, that’s true?

      Jazakoum Allah ou kheiran…

      And my final question it’s do you really think that Obama will do what he says… It’s just another same politic or you think really that he can change many things in the world like the situation in Irak, Palestine… Because I think that these issues are so important and we, non american, we just need that he will change the situation in these countries.

      Personally, I guess that speech sounds good, very good but I can’t judge him coz I don’t know his entire program… So I hope insh’Allah you will help me to understand more what does he wants to do with america.
      Again, beautiful speech I think many presidents would think like this. (Unfortunately, in france we have the opposite!!!!!!!)

    18. theone February 20th, 2008 at 5:37 pm

      Obama is no saviour. He’s merely a lesser evil. And judging by the competition – that isn’t saying much at all. Not to mention his missus’s CFR connections.

    19. belal1 February 20th, 2008 at 6:22 pm

      inna lilahi wa inna ilayhi raajioon!!!!!

      are you all muslims or the most ignorant individuals on the internet?

      what does islam say about praising murtads, kuffar and their ilk?

      you all must learn to exit your jahil mentalty and stop supporting the enemies of islam, lest you be turned away from the prophet-sallahu alay hiwas salaam and his-SAWS teachings, and away from the deen of islam.

      reply to me only if you have weak eeman and cannot seek truth yourself but instead wish to please your taghut

      and ignore my post and continue praising the kuffar if you are truly deaf, dumb and blind.

      peace but upon those who seek guidance and not on those who are already astray.

      inna lilahi wa inna ilayhi raajioon.

    20. MR February 20th, 2008 at 10:34 pm

      belal1 on February 20, 2008 at 6:22 pm said:

      inna lilahi wa inna ilayhi raajioon!!!!!

      are you all muslims or the most ignorant individuals on the internet?

      what does islam say about praising murtads, kuffar and their ilk?

      you all must learn to exit your jahil mentalty and stop supporting the enemies of islam, lest you be turned away from the prophet-sallahu alay hiwas salaam and his-SAWS teachings, and away from the deen of islam.

      reply to me only if you have weak eeman and cannot seek truth yourself but instead wish to please your taghut

      and ignore my post and continue praising the kuffar if you are truly deaf, dumb and blind.

      peace but upon those who seek guidance and not on those who are already astray.

      inna lilahi wa inna ilayhi raajioon.

      Do yourself a favor and leave this country (USA).

    21. MR February 20th, 2008 at 10:34 pm

      theone on February 20, 2008 at 5:37 pm said:

      Obama is no saviour. He’s merely a lesser evil. And judging by the competition – that isn’t saying much at all. Not to mention his missus’s CFR connections.

      Correct. He’s the lesser over the current 3.

    22. belal1 February 21st, 2008 at 8:52 am

      >> Do yourself a favor and leave this country (USA).

      that is the intention, is it yours aswell? or is your intention to spread the fitnah of this dunya under the banner of islam while misguiding the youth among you?

      Supporting at-taghut is kuffr.

      Mujahideen Ryder? Inna lilahi wa inna ilayhi raajioon. What a disgraceful name.

      peace be upon those who seek guidance, not on those who are on the path of hypocrisy.

    23. MR February 21st, 2008 at 10:55 am

      belal1 – listen at this lecture by Sh. Khalid Yasin:
      http://www.halaltube.com/khalid-yasin/video/muslims-in-america

      or listen to this:
      http://www.halaltube.com/yasir-qadhi/video/towards-formulating-a-vision-for-muslims-in-america-in-light-of-the-seerah-icna-2007

      And then come back, inshaAllah.

      May Allah (swt) bless you, continue to guide you, forigve you, and grant you jannat-ul-firdaus. Ameen!

    24. lamia February 21st, 2008 at 12:18 pm

      Assalam ou ‘alikoum,

      Nobody answered me… I want to cry… it’s not because nobody wants to answer me but seriously I want to cry when I read the post of belal1!
      I’m too sad to see that in our ummah people can talk with respect, we have to see the real example, the perfect example our beloved prophet (peace be upon him).

      I don’t judge you akhi belal1… I just want to remind you that there is many different ways to say what you want to say!

      In our ummah the big error is judging the other but we all make mistakes, we don’t have to forget this. (I talk for myself too!!!)

      So, I hope insh’Allah you will understand me and it’s not my intention to hurt you.

      May Allah guide us in His straight path…

      (So if it’s possible I want to see more “sorry akhi, but I think we don’t think like this coz…” and finish with Allah ou érlém (Allah knows better!!!!!!) We can expose our point of view without disrespect)

      (I don’t know if you understand what I want to say, if not I will resume in few words: More respect!)

      Jazakoum Allah ou kheiran

    25. Stupid February 21st, 2008 at 3:15 pm

      lamia – read this:
      http://muslimmatters.org/2008/02/04/super-tuesday-why-obama/

    26. belal1 February 21st, 2008 at 6:00 pm

      lamia on February 21, 2008 at 12:18 pm said:

      Assalam ou ‘alikoum,

      Nobody answered me… I want to cry… it’s not because nobody wants to answer me but seriously I want to cry when I read the post of belal1!
      I’m too sad to see that in our ummah people can talk with respect, we have to see the real example, the perfect example our beloved prophet (peace be upon him).

      I don’t judge you akhi belal1… I just want to remind you that there is many different ways to say what you want to say!

      In our ummah the big error is judging the other but we all make mistakes, we don’t have to forget this. (I talk for myself too!!!)

      So, I hope insh’Allah you will understand me and it’s not my intention to hurt you.

      May Allah guide us in His straight path…

      (So if it’s possible I want to see more “sorry akhi, but I think we don’t think like this coz…” and finish with Allah ou érlém (Allah knows better!!!!!!) We can expose our point of view without disrespect)

      (I don’t know if you understand what I want to say, if not I will resume in few words: More respect!)

      Jazakoum Allah ou kheiran

      walaikum as salam,

      wa feeki baarakallahu, and ameen to your dua.

      ukthi lamia, If I have disrespected you then that is something unintended and may Allah swt make you feel better knowing that was not my intention. Nothing I have said so far in the above posts can constitute as being disrespectful. I cannot sugarcoat the deen, and make acts of kuffr go as if they are okay simply because this is america and there are “muslims” here who loves a murtad.

      this is love for the sake of allah swt, and hate for the sake of allah swt.

      I challenge every single person on here who has praised this murtad, to bring proof from the sunnah of its legitimacy. You will not find a single evidence to back up this act of kuffr from the quran or sunnah.

      the seriousness of shirk is not a loving matter. it is something that Allah swt will never forgive, regardless of how many good deeds you can try to do. therefore i cannot sugarcoat such matters.

      and to correct correct something else, Khalid Yasin is no shaykh. He is a wonderful da’ee but is no shaykh. the title of shaykh belongs to the likes of shaykh addul-wahab, shaykh al-ghazali, shaykh abu hanifa, shaykh hudhaifi and amir-ul-momineen whose name i shall not utter out of respect for the shaykh-ul-islam (may Allah swt be pleased with all these shaykhs of islam, and grant all these shaykhs, jannatul firdaus, allahumma ameen).

      as salamu alaikum

    27. stupid February 22nd, 2008 at 2:23 am

      belal1 – MR posted two videos that pretty much refute ur way of thinking. in fact ppl like u really need to be deported by the Muslims.

      if u dont want to have anything to do with this society then go somewhere else.

      its that easy. im stupid and even i know that.

      ur prob one of them washed up kids from al-mujahiroun or hizb ut tahrir that now is a saudi salafi to the bone with the political tendencies of ur past.

      make hijrah already. the less of ur ilk in this country, the better the dawah.

    28. there will be blood February 22nd, 2008 at 4:53 am

      ok correct me if i’m wrong but isnt the lesser of two evils principle applied to situations in which you dont have a choice? last i checked in america we also have the right NOT to vote.
      also tellin people to leave this country just because they dont like the system, makes you sound like a pro-bush redneck and isnt it your right as an american to hate america? isnt this what democracy and freedom are all about?

    29. MR February 22nd, 2008 at 11:42 am

      there will be blood on February 22, 2008 at 4:53 am said:

      ok correct me if i’m wrong but isnt the lesser of two evils principle applied to situations in which you dont have a choice? last i checked in america we also have the right NOT to vote.
      also tellin people to leave this country just because they dont like the system, makes you sound like a pro-bush redneck and isnt it your right as an american to hate america? isnt this what democracy and freedom are all about?

      Actually, the Freedom America has is against Islam. The only law is Allah’s law and the only way is the Prophet’s way (saas). That is not freedom the way America sees.

      Anyways, if you don’t vote then there will be no change. There are countless scholars from this country and around the world, from Salafi, Sufi, Ikhwaan, Deoband, etc. that say it is permissible to vote and even recommended to prevent greater evil.

      So now if you say we have the right NOT to vote, then if McCain wins the election, won’t it be the fault of those millions of Muslims in America who don’t vote, because it’s pointless.

      Would you rather have 100 years in Iraq?

      America sucks right now but the only way to make changes immediately in the government is to vote in the election this year.

      Just listen to those videos I posted above by Sh. Khalid Yasin and Sh. Yasir Qadhi.

    30. there will be blood February 22nd, 2008 at 4:11 pm

      well, personally i dont believe the american stance on islam will ever change unless more and more people abandon secular ideology and start to embrace islam. i feel that most americans (who are secular ‘christians’) are hostile towards islam, the islam that is complete with shariah law and they will support any leader who vows to free the world from this ‘oppressive’ system. also i dont think the muslims will be responsible if they dont vote but i believe they will be responsible if they do vote and they vote for the wrong person. i dont think the leader is the problem. it is the system that is in place and no matter who you vote for he will not be able to change the system, unless he is some sort of a military dictator.

    31. there will be blood February 22nd, 2008 at 4:18 pm

      i know the stance of the ulema on the issue of voting, but i believe this is when one is in a muslim country where there are religious parties who seek to establish the shariah or want to see more of it applied in the daily lives of the muslims. in this case they say that the muslims should vote to put these parties in power for the good of islam and so that the deen of islam will become dominant. if they do however recommend the muslims in the western countries to vote i dont accept this as a valid opinion.

    32. Stupid February 22nd, 2008 at 4:35 pm

      there will be blood on February 22, 2008 at 4:18 pm said:

      i know the stance of the ulema on the issue of voting, but i believe this is when one is in a muslim country where there are religious parties who seek to establish the shariah or want to see more of it applied in the daily lives of the muslims. in this case they say that the muslims should vote to put these parties in power for the good of islam and so that the deen of islam will become dominant. if they do however recommend the muslims in the western countries to vote i dont accept this as a valid opinion.

      I personally agree with MR and agree with you. All Muslims worldwide should do what they can by any halal means necessary to help the movement to establish an Islamic system in any of the Muslim countries.

      For example. All Muslims should protest against the Egyptian government and their lack of a democratic system or even KSA.

      The West and the Islam haters won’t be hating on us, because we will be protesting FOR democracy. Meaning the majority of the people should decide the leader and the government.

      The only issue is that the majority of Muslims in the Muslim countries should want an Islamic system of government.

    33. mukawaya February 23rd, 2008 at 4:10 pm

      lesser of the two evils means vote for obama who will kill pakistanis, over mccain who will kill more iraqis?

      If you were told to take an exam that had one multiple choice question with no correct answer, would you take the exam in order to change it or protest the idea of taking such an exam?

      theoretically it is possible to enact change in a democratic system from within. practically it is impossible.

      just look at turkey and algeria and most recently palestine. the world wanted democracy. the palestinians embraced and voted in hamas. what has that got them except more and more bloodshed? change? yes: for the worse.

    34. belal1 February 23rd, 2008 at 4:50 pm

      stupid on February 22, 2008 at 2:23 am said:

      belal1 – MR posted two videos that pretty much refute ur way of thinking. in fact ppl like u really need to be deported by the Muslims.

      if u dont want to have anything to do with this society then go somewhere else.

      its that easy. im stupid and even i know that.

      ur prob one of them washed up kids from al-mujahiroun or hizb ut tahrir that now is a saudi salafi to the bone with the political tendencies of ur past.

      make hijrah already. the less of ur ilk in this country, the better the dawah.

      deport me? as ibn taimiyyah (may Allah swt be pleased with him) mentioned “to live in exile, is nothing more than a spiritual retreat.” maybe you fear by not bowing and licking the shoes of your taghut leaders, you may be deported. maybe you fear death because you know of your pathetic eeman, or lack thereof. you speak of dawah yet look at the sad tone of your voice. do you speak to a brother in islam in such a manner when he is speaking truthhood? your videos did not display even an ounce of credit from the sunnah or quran that says to vote for kuffr. yet here you are following such pathetic efforts? woe to you. the fire is burning, save yourself before you meet your maker….

      don’t fear the creation, fear the creator.

      let’s see what Allah swt says in the quran and let’s see how much you can talk back to Allah swt and his commands:

      006.022 One day shall We gather them all together: We shall say to those who ascribed partners (to Us): “Where are the partners whom ye (invented and) talked about?”

      006.023 There will then be (left) no subterfuge for them but to say: “By God our Lord, we were not those who joined gods with God.”

      006.024 Behold! how they lie against their own souls! But the (lie) which they invented will leave them in the lurch.

      006.025 Of them there are some who (pretend to) listen to thee; but We have thrown veils on their hearts, So they understand it not, and deafness in their ears; if they saw every one of the signs, not they will believe in them; in so much that when they come to thee, they (but) dispute with thee; the Unbelievers say: “These are nothing but tales of the ancients.”

      and Allah swt goes on to say:

      002.044 Do ye enjoin right conduct on the people, and forget (To practise it) yourselves, and yet ye study the Scripture? Will ye not understand?

      and the hadith mentions:

      Adey bin Hatim, may Allah (swt) be pleased with him – who was a Christian and then embraced Islam said: I came to the Messenger (saw) of Allah (swt) while he was reciting Surah At-Taubah till he reached this verse: ` they (Jews and Christians) took their Rabbis and their Monks to be their Lords beside Allah (swt)’. So I said: `O Messenger (saw) of Allah (swt), we never took them as lords. He (Prophet (saw) ) said: `Yes (you did). Did not they legalise for you that which Allah (swt) forbade you, and you forbade it ?’ I said: `yes indeed’. He said: `that is worshipping them.’ [Narrated by Ahmed and Tirmidhi who classified it as Sahih].

      look at the fatwa’s below now:

      there will be blood on February 22, 2008 at 4:53 am said:

      ok correct me if i’m wrong but isnt the lesser of two evils principle applied to situations in which you dont have a choice? last i checked in america we also have the right NOT to vote.
      also tellin people to leave this country just because they dont like the system, makes you sound like a pro-bush redneck and isnt it your right as an american to hate america? isnt this what democracy and freedom are all about?

      the lesser of two evils does not mean vote for the kaafir that will harm you less. the quran and sunnah makes it clear you do not support a murtad.

      sad is people on here speak of spreading dawah to non-muslim. yet you favor non-islamic ways? what hypocrisy!

      here is a fatwa regarding voting, and tell me which one is lesser of the two:

      http://www.missionislam.com/knowledge/Democracy.htm

      here’s another one:

      http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/area/uk/ge05/man/fatwaa_voting.html

      my brother/sister, the fatwa’s above make it clear using authentic hadiths and quran, you cannot window shop to find something that you find pleasing when the truth has been laid out for you. InshaAllah you will understand.

    35. MR February 23rd, 2008 at 8:49 pm

      belal1 – I respect your opinion, but you can see various opinions and fatwas here, that are the majority opinion with backing form the Qur’an and Sunnah as well.
      Voting is permissible from Muslim Scholars across the various backgrounds and ideologies

    36. sak February 25th, 2008 at 12:22 am

      Before everyone goes around saying Obama is going to kill off pakistanis, you should first look at the statements he actually made. He basically said if the US had active intelligence that there was an Al Qaeda leader in a certain location, and pakistan failed to act, he would authorize a mission to go in and kill that leader. He never said he would invade pakistan or start bombimg all over the place. Secondly, if you’ve noticed the situation over there right now, the Pakistani Taliban are exploding bombs everywhere, in markets with civilians all around, so who exactly should we be threatened by?
      Finally, although at this point I prefer Obama, I’m not one of those people who think he will be all that different from the status quo. I think he be might be a little better than a typical Democratic president, but in alot of ways, will be the same as Clinton. But when we decide to support Obama, you have to realize were doing it in relative terms. Is he the best option out of everyone in the world? no way, but is he better than a clinton or mccain presidency? heck yeaa. The question you might want to ask yourself is yes you might be responsible for a vote you placed for Obama, but wouldnt you also be responsible, if you didnt vote and McCain was elected and continues the Bush foreign policy, for all the deaths that might come about in part due to your non vote? In the end, lets pray we get someone who just makes things better.

    37. there will be blood February 25th, 2008 at 12:24 am

      belal, akhee i dont think voting will accomplish anything. i dont think it matters who you vote for because the system will remain in place and the campaign of hate against shariah, islam and religion in general will as well.

      i just wanted to make a point, how people misapply certain principles and at times contradict themselves. it is like how some people say we hate the govt but we support our troops. how can one use a system that has been designed to take away GOD from just about every aspect of the peoples lives to establish a system that will bring GOD back to them? or how can one speak of freedom and democracy but not allow the people the freedom to choose a govt based on shariah, we’ve seen what happened in algeria and more recently in gaza?

      another thing akhee, many of our brothers and sisters in islam are naive and they expect the disbelievers to play fair and be just. we need to do more to make them aware of the evil plots of the shayateen. it doesnt help to be harsh with them even if they are harsh with us. i’m sure you know this war is not being fought to take iraq or falasteen but to take our very souls.

    38. Daniel Abdal-Hayy Moore February 25th, 2008 at 12:39 am

      Peace and blessings on all of us… You know, I’ve been keeping out of this thread. Iit seems to have gotten quite ugly at times, and strangely twisted. Expecting this country to actually follow strict Islamic law is not only living out of touch and in a fantasy, but actually goes against what the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, taught. We are asked to follow the laws of the land in which we live, and we live in a country of flawed Democracy, with many failed policies and unjust laws (a country born out of native American bloodshed and forced African slavery), but as Muslims we actually enjoy many freedoms here that are missing in Islamically “political” countries of today. We must do the best we can under these circumstances, and participate with reason and understanding. Therefore, not warmonger McCain, not shifty and shifting Clinton, and certainly not spoiler Nader.

    39. there will be blood February 25th, 2008 at 12:45 am

      sak

      i dont believe that we will be responsible if we choose not to vote. we all know the story of ar-rum when the muslims supported the victory of the romans against the persians, however the muslims did not send troops to aid the romans against the persians and they did nothing whatsoever to aid the romans. now if persia did defeat the romans would that mean that the muslims were guilty for not aiding the romans? they could have given them some military intelligence or assistance. i beleive no action is better than wrong action.

      also i think that the majority of american people do not like islam and they do not want to see islam established as a complete way of life. the american people believe in seperation of church and state and they do not want a leader who will be lax with those who promote islam as a complete way of life. they consider this fascist and authoritarian. also the democrat party is way more pro-israel than the republican, really they are two faces of the same coin. maybe mccain will be worse but maybe he wont, but what we do know is that neither will sincerely work in our best interests.

      i suggest that we fear Allah and not use the fatawa of the ulema as an excuse to satisfy our nafs. let us weigh out the benefit and harm. obviously there is doubt regarding its permissability. so if it is permissable then you will lose nothing whether you vote or not, but if it isnt then you will be brought to account if you did vote. remember although some of the ulema have said it is permissable none have said that it is obligatory.

    40. Asim February 26th, 2008 at 1:32 am

      theocracywatch.org …So you really want the Republican party to win?

    41. omar ali February 26th, 2008 at 2:08 pm

      he may be the lesser evil because he doesn’t hate muslims. He knows something about Islam and how beautiful it really is. BUT at the end of the day he will have to work with those who dispise muslims and ISLAM. I think he would be better than the other two but i will not vote for him because the system they true understanding muslims want is SHARIA the rules of ALLAH…Non can offer more justice than ALLAH(swt) and we all know his system works and is perfect. We may never get to see 100% sharia in our time but i will not vote to use a lesser system that Allah said not to use. I hope he will bring the troops home so Muslims will not continue to be butchered and killed unjustly. I don’t think the other would give a hoot how many MORE innocent muslim they mame kill or torture. ALlah knows best who will win but i hope he give us the person who will aid muslims in any way shape or form and be MORE truthful and JUST this is all i hope for.

      If Barack or the others were really smart he would accept ISLAM.

    42. omar February 26th, 2008 at 2:17 pm

      one thing we know for sure is that whatever happens has been written and recorded an Allah knows what will happen. So with that in mind we don’t have to stress and worry.
      We just keep the prayer and the other pillars of Islam and do what we should like make dua and read quraan pray for our brothers and sisters etc etc and we will be fine. Victory will be for the muslims in the end so i feel good about that.

    43. sherif mahmoud February 26th, 2008 at 3:57 pm

      HAHAHAHAH This is such a Joke its like a soap opera. Grow up people!!!

    44. Daniel Abdal-Hayy Moore February 26th, 2008 at 4:05 pm

      Dear Omar Ali (whose two names attest also to the glory of Islam by those who truly followed the Way of the Prophet, peace be upon him).
      Do you think any Muslim countries are actually following Shari’at 100%? The betrayals of God’s way in almost ALL so-called Muslim countries is LEGION, and horrific! Torture, corruption, oppression, the list of crimes goes on and on. To not vote for an honorable and eloquent candidate in our own country because of it not being Shari’at is truly not realistic. Perhaps if other Muslim countries could see a black American President with the names Blessing Hussein Obama, of a country at least a Democracy in name and much of its form, other countries might not only become more just but perhaps bring about a real, balanced Shari’at themselves that is also humane and realistic. It’s true: Hope is not just a word.

    45. sherif mahmoud February 26th, 2008 at 6:31 pm

      I am not sure what is funnier this vote or not vote thing or the frito fatwa that was going on a few months ago. Everybody has a sheik we dont have that madhab obsession any more we have I listen to so and so sheik and defend him like he was my father. Please give me a break DIVIDE AND CONQUER the most basic strategy out there and you people are walking straight in to it. They dont even have to try.

    46. there will be blood February 27th, 2008 at 2:07 am

      omar on February 26, 2008 at 2:17 pm said:

      one thing we know for sure is that whatever happens has been written and recorded an Allah knows what will happen. So with that in mind we don’t have to stress and worry.
      We just keep the prayer and the other pillars of Islam and do what we should like make dua and read quraan pray for our brothers and sisters etc etc and we will be fine. Victory will be for the muslims in the end so i feel good about that.

      mashaAllah, akhee this is the best advice ever!!! may Allah protect you.

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    48. jonolan February 27th, 2008 at 12:40 pm

      I hate to tell you all this, but after reading all the comments on this post I can safely say that many if not most of them are perfect examples of why a large number of Americans hate Islam and loath Muslims.

      Read what you all have written here and judge for yourselves.

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