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		<title>By: Omar El-Falahi</title>
		<link>http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2008/07/16/the-future-of-makkah/comment-page-1/#comment-219220</link>
		<dc:creator>Omar El-Falahi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jun 2010 00:52:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It looks amazing, but I think the hotels are too far away and might be too expensive.  Also, it is ok make it modern, but this is going to take billions of dollars to make.  Mecca only needs more hotels and a little more expansion.  Too bad the Saudis are only going to use the money on wasteful buildings, and wait till they run out of oil soon, no longer being able to maintain these strucutres, all collapsing near mecca.  They should really give this money to Yemen, which is very poor and is really trying hard and begging for money.  Too bad they hate us Yemenis so much, and don&#039;t try to disagree, because the level of prejudice their is something I have never seen before...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It looks amazing, but I think the hotels are too far away and might be too expensive.  Also, it is ok make it modern, but this is going to take billions of dollars to make.  Mecca only needs more hotels and a little more expansion.  Too bad the Saudis are only going to use the money on wasteful buildings, and wait till they run out of oil soon, no longer being able to maintain these strucutres, all collapsing near mecca.  They should really give this money to Yemen, which is very poor and is really trying hard and begging for money.  Too bad they hate us Yemenis so much, and don&#8217;t try to disagree, because the level of prejudice their is something I have never seen before&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ikram Jamaluddin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ikram Jamaluddin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2010 07:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I agree that efforts to increase the accomodation capacity of Makkah for Hajj and Umrah is necessary, I do not agree with the way it is being done.I would prefer the inner ring to be transformed into budget and semi-budget hotels and apartments to cater for the majority of the Muslims who go to Makkah for Hajj and Umrah.The design of these hotels and apartments should reflect Islamic architecture which can be drawn from different Muslim countries in the world. The middle ring should cater for the luxury towers and 5 star hotels and apartments.But they are connected to Masjidil Haram by a rapid transit system. Huge . glittering shopping complexes shouid not be there. Modern bazaars should be.People coming to Makkah have religious intentions in their minds and should not be be diverted to do shopping. They can shop in Jeddah or Madinah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I agree that efforts to increase the accomodation capacity of Makkah for Hajj and Umrah is necessary, I do not agree with the way it is being done.I would prefer the inner ring to be transformed into budget and semi-budget hotels and apartments to cater for the majority of the Muslims who go to Makkah for Hajj and Umrah.The design of these hotels and apartments should reflect Islamic architecture which can be drawn from different Muslim countries in the world. The middle ring should cater for the luxury towers and 5 star hotels and apartments.But they are connected to Masjidil Haram by a rapid transit system. Huge . glittering shopping complexes shouid not be there. Modern bazaars should be.People coming to Makkah have religious intentions in their minds and should not be be diverted to do shopping. They can shop in Jeddah or Madinah.</p>
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		<title>By: nour</title>
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		<dc:creator>nour</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 07:35:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been visiting the Holy land since 1988. I  have experienced the gradual increase in price for umrah and Ziarah, it always goes up and  never down. I fear that many will find it difficult to save money in the future except the wealthy. If the Saudi Govenment can ensure price is affordable for average people then Allah will  give the reward to them. If otherwise they have to be answerable to Allah . Surely Allah wants people of  all walks of life to perform Hajj and Umrah.

Assalamualaikum

Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been visiting the Holy land since 1988. I  have experienced the gradual increase in price for umrah and Ziarah, it always goes up and  never down. I fear that many will find it difficult to save money in the future except the wealthy. If the Saudi Govenment can ensure price is affordable for average people then Allah will  give the reward to them. If otherwise they have to be answerable to Allah . Surely Allah wants people of  all walks of life to perform Hajj and Umrah.</p>
<p>Assalamualaikum</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Islam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Islam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 13:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The muslims have not made any achievement in the last 100 years. With the discovery and sale of oil it should have been a blessing giving the muslims BILLIONS to spend on infrastructure and education. Instead the British and French divided up the muslim land in 1924 and the muslims have been on a downhill road from there.

If the muslims can beautify the holiest site surely this is a positive, who says we have to live in the desert and ride camels etc. Just look at masdar city in Abu Dabi, the FIRST carbon zero city in the WORLD. Thats a muslim  achievement. I think we should look at the bigger picture and as long as nothing against islam is taking place, allow it. 

Mecca was the trading capital of the world at the prophet (pbuh) time, it brought people from all over the world, it was the most MODERN of that time, and so what stops us making it the most MODERN of today?? As long as when the adhaan sounds, all trade and worldly acts stop, and everyone heads to the masjid to pray, surely theres no harm here. 

Please brothers and sisters open your hearts and lets support our brothers and sisters. This takes a lot of architecture, engineering and construction skill, inshallah maybe one day we will have high speed trains under mecca linking it to all major cities of the muslim world! The same planners could make the first car free city in the world by using this oil money to invest in state of the art public transport. Heavy investment in science and research, incase you&#039;ve forgotten muslims were the leaders of the world in science technology philosophy maths and architecture. Inshallah we will lead the world in morals and spirituality too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The muslims have not made any achievement in the last 100 years. With the discovery and sale of oil it should have been a blessing giving the muslims BILLIONS to spend on infrastructure and education. Instead the British and French divided up the muslim land in 1924 and the muslims have been on a downhill road from there.</p>
<p>If the muslims can beautify the holiest site surely this is a positive, who says we have to live in the desert and ride camels etc. Just look at masdar city in Abu Dabi, the FIRST carbon zero city in the WORLD. Thats a muslim  achievement. I think we should look at the bigger picture and as long as nothing against islam is taking place, allow it. </p>
<p>Mecca was the trading capital of the world at the prophet (pbuh) time, it brought people from all over the world, it was the most MODERN of that time, and so what stops us making it the most MODERN of today?? As long as when the adhaan sounds, all trade and worldly acts stop, and everyone heads to the masjid to pray, surely theres no harm here. </p>
<p>Please brothers and sisters open your hearts and lets support our brothers and sisters. This takes a lot of architecture, engineering and construction skill, inshallah maybe one day we will have high speed trains under mecca linking it to all major cities of the muslim world! The same planners could make the first car free city in the world by using this oil money to invest in state of the art public transport. Heavy investment in science and research, incase you&#8217;ve forgotten muslims were the leaders of the world in science technology philosophy maths and architecture. Inshallah we will lead the world in morals and spirituality too.</p>
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		<title>By: achmad shonny archaul</title>
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		<dc:creator>achmad shonny archaul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 00:39:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ass. Wr. Wb.

dears Architects,
There is a wise word &quot;late is better than non&quot;. We all know that someday in the near future, our Masjidilharram will not sufficient anymore for hajj and/or event others ibadah. Therefore the only way to solve this problem is &quot;design&quot;.
We are as muslim architecs is being challanced to think it over of. 
Please do.

Salam,
Shonny, medijavanean.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ass. Wr. Wb.</p>
<p>dears Architects,<br />
There is a wise word &#8220;late is better than non&#8221;. We all know that someday in the near future, our Masjidilharram will not sufficient anymore for hajj and/or event others ibadah. Therefore the only way to solve this problem is &#8220;design&#8221;.<br />
We are as muslim architecs is being challanced to think it over of.<br />
Please do.</p>
<p>Salam,<br />
Shonny, medijavanean.com</p>
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		<title>By: reader</title>
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		<dc:creator>reader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 18:44:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>no one will want to visit the kabah at this rate its like qiyaamat is drawing nearer and nearer tha everyone will flee from makkah dont you think theyll do this by the so called future of makkah getting built
another point is that the sacredness of the kabah will go it wont be like visiting the kabah i dont know what it&#039;ll be like hope i get to see th kabah before this happens</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>no one will want to visit the kabah at this rate its like qiyaamat is drawing nearer and nearer tha everyone will flee from makkah dont you think theyll do this by the so called future of makkah getting built<br />
another point is that the sacredness of the kabah will go it wont be like visiting the kabah i dont know what it&#8217;ll be like hope i get to see th kabah before this happens</p>
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		<title>By: a malaysian architect</title>
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		<dc:creator>a malaysian architect</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 00:07:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the blog, the 1st intelligent muslim blog I have come across.
I am a hajj myself and an architect in practice in Malaysia.

I read in the Islamica magazine (US based) sometime ago on the future development of makkah that it&#039;s bottom line is to wipe out the traces of holy prophet&#039;s traces and history. for fear of &#039;bidaah&#039;(idolatory of him)- well thats the Wahhabi logic anyway. Hence they are too happy to bulldoze the old library (believed to be prophet&#039;s birthplace).

&#039; A City with No History is like a Man with No memory&#039;, 
do we want this to happen to Makkah, the holiest city for muslims?

Now that they SA are cash rich and feel a bit arrogant, they feel its right to compete with New York&#039;s skyscrapers. Who are the owners of these buildings and their operators?Financiers ? US, Europe, Jews- international hotel chains? While they cant physically cant be in the holy land, their &#039;invisible hand&#039; certainly can, thro their wealth.

While I am of the view that some of the old mudbrick structure are no longer safe nor sustainable for future hajj accomodation, I think the whole are MUST BE PRESERVED AS A HERITAGE SITE!

Any new developments and future accomodation for zillions must be developed OUTSIDE this ring. Instead develop the best transportation system to ferry people between their hotels and the masjidil haram.

well. thats my 2riyal worth of thoughts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the blog, the 1st intelligent muslim blog I have come across.<br />
I am a hajj myself and an architect in practice in Malaysia.</p>
<p>I read in the Islamica magazine (US based) sometime ago on the future development of makkah that it&#8217;s bottom line is to wipe out the traces of holy prophet&#8217;s traces and history. for fear of &#8216;bidaah&#8217;(idolatory of him)- well thats the Wahhabi logic anyway. Hence they are too happy to bulldoze the old library (believed to be prophet&#8217;s birthplace).</p>
<p>&#8216; A City with No History is like a Man with No memory&#8217;,<br />
do we want this to happen to Makkah, the holiest city for muslims?</p>
<p>Now that they SA are cash rich and feel a bit arrogant, they feel its right to compete with New York&#8217;s skyscrapers. Who are the owners of these buildings and their operators?Financiers ? US, Europe, Jews- international hotel chains? While they cant physically cant be in the holy land, their &#8216;invisible hand&#8217; certainly can, thro their wealth.</p>
<p>While I am of the view that some of the old mudbrick structure are no longer safe nor sustainable for future hajj accomodation, I think the whole are MUST BE PRESERVED AS A HERITAGE SITE!</p>
<p>Any new developments and future accomodation for zillions must be developed OUTSIDE this ring. Instead develop the best transportation system to ferry people between their hotels and the masjidil haram.</p>
<p>well. thats my 2riyal worth of thoughts.</p>
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		<title>By: achmad shonny archaul</title>
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		<dc:creator>achmad shonny archaul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 13:17:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i have another brainstorm, how to solve the capacity of sa&#039;i area wich is nowdays or otherways in the future must could not sufficient anymore to serve the hajj. my suggestion, this sa&#039;i area should be rice up to become 2 or event 3 stories.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i have another brainstorm, how to solve the capacity of sa&#8217;i area wich is nowdays or otherways in the future must could not sufficient anymore to serve the hajj. my suggestion, this sa&#8217;i area should be rice up to become 2 or event 3 stories.</p>
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		<title>By: achmad shonny archaul</title>
		<link>http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2008/07/16/the-future-of-makkah/comment-page-1/#comment-116087</link>
		<dc:creator>achmad shonny archaul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 12:54:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>look to me it&#039;s spactacular. but it&#039;s beter that would be balanced all away a round of mosque.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>look to me it&#8217;s spactacular. but it&#8217;s beter that would be balanced all away a round of mosque.</p>
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		<title>By: Ibn Masood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ibn Masood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 03:27:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t get how  the preservation of heritage&#039; sites are that important to the preservation of the deen? The deen is preserved in the Quran, the Sunnah, and the works of ours scholars. We don&#039;t need traditional looking buildings or environments to preserve our deen or cultivate our Eman, what we need is Taqwa of Allah swt. I agree, no doubt that too much dunya will be difficult for Eman to be nurtured in the hearts of believers... but I don&#039;t see anything wrong with this development. This isn&#039;t necessarily dunya, it&#039;s modern development of our time to house and provide pilgrims with the best facilities for comfort while allowing them to still focus on their ibaadah of Allah swt in His holy city by allowing convenient access and space.

I think It&#039;s actually a step forward, it&#039;s about time to shift the power and influence to Islam.

Personally, having been to the city a couple of times, I have to say that the city does nothing for the experience. What matters more is how much the umrah, the hajj, the salah in the masjid, the tawaf, the halaqas in the masjid can do for you. What matters more is what the sight of the kaabah does for your heart, how you feel humbled by being there, and by how your increased Eman affects your Salah and the effect the Quran has on you. 

Remember, even in the sands of a blowing desert, with palm trees and an oasis, surrounded by camels... remember that one can still get lost in the dunya, and lose that connection with Allah swt, just as many of the Quraish and their predecessors did.

Btw... my main question lol... MR akhi where did you get this image?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t get how  the preservation of heritage&#8217; sites are that important to the preservation of the deen? The deen is preserved in the Quran, the Sunnah, and the works of ours scholars. We don&#8217;t need traditional looking buildings or environments to preserve our deen or cultivate our Eman, what we need is Taqwa of Allah swt. I agree, no doubt that too much dunya will be difficult for Eman to be nurtured in the hearts of believers&#8230; but I don&#8217;t see anything wrong with this development. This isn&#8217;t necessarily dunya, it&#8217;s modern development of our time to house and provide pilgrims with the best facilities for comfort while allowing them to still focus on their ibaadah of Allah swt in His holy city by allowing convenient access and space.</p>
<p>I think It&#8217;s actually a step forward, it&#8217;s about time to shift the power and influence to Islam.</p>
<p>Personally, having been to the city a couple of times, I have to say that the city does nothing for the experience. What matters more is how much the umrah, the hajj, the salah in the masjid, the tawaf, the halaqas in the masjid can do for you. What matters more is what the sight of the kaabah does for your heart, how you feel humbled by being there, and by how your increased Eman affects your Salah and the effect the Quran has on you. </p>
<p>Remember, even in the sands of a blowing desert, with palm trees and an oasis, surrounded by camels&#8230; remember that one can still get lost in the dunya, and lose that connection with Allah swt, just as many of the Quraish and their predecessors did.</p>
<p>Btw&#8230; my main question lol&#8230; MR akhi where did you get this image?</p>
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