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Have Beef (Problems) with MuslimMatters?

  • Author: MR
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  • Date: Aug 26,2008 | 11:01 PM

Let them know here.


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  • 32 Responses for "Have Beef (Problems) with MuslimMatters?"

    1. Nihal Khan August 27th, 2008 at 6:33 am

      lol….I love the title Amir 😀

    2. Abdullah August 27th, 2008 at 11:54 am

      I have beef with MuslimMatter! They need to get their aqeedah straight and stop being so pseudo-salafi / wahabbi!!

    3. MR August 27th, 2008 at 1:24 pm

      @Abdullah – Your suppose to submit your comments on your survey. Regarding your comment, I’d like to say that if MuslimMatters.org was hosted in Saudi, it would be banned.

    4. Redwan Ahmed August 27th, 2008 at 4:53 pm

      i submited the survey to muslimmatters.org.

    5. amad August 27th, 2008 at 9:54 pm

      Abdullah, we love you too.

      MR, love the title!!

    6. Musa Franco August 27th, 2008 at 10:39 pm

      Salaam Alaykum

      I have no beef wth muslimmatters. But I do have beef with Brother Abdullah. I think the people that need to get their aqeeda correct are those that are going to graves and asking other than Allah. What is the difference between a muslim that prays and asks Abdul Qadir Al jilani or a non muslim that asks Jesus Christ. They are both equal one asks jesus who is a prophet and the other asks one that is not.

      May Allah Guide the people of Shirk to the Tawheed of Muhammad Slallahu Alayhi Wasalaam

      Your Muwahid Brother,

      Musa Al Colombee

    7. Musa Franco August 27th, 2008 at 10:41 pm

      I left Shirk (Catholocism) for tawheed.
      Other Muslims leave shirk for shirk.

      Which boggles my mind.

    8. Abdullah August 28th, 2008 at 2:01 pm

      Musa Franco: Well my little pseudo-salafi / wahabi friend I suggest you take a look at the following websites:

      http://sunnianswers.wordpress.com/

      http://neosalafism.wordpress.com/

      Maybe you’ll learn something instead of being so ignorant.

    9. XF-S August 28th, 2008 at 2:41 pm

      Haha, the only people that have beef are the ones who don’t have their aqeedah straight.

    10. NOT Musa Franco August 28th, 2008 at 3:34 pm

      I’ve seen the errors of my ways and now I know that my wahabi aqeedah is wrong and the Ash’ari aqeedah is truly the aqeedah of Ahl Sunnah Wal Jama’ah!

      EDIT: Don’t use another person’s name.

    11. R-Turbo XR August 28th, 2008 at 3:39 pm

      Haha, the only people that have beef are the ones who don’t have their aqeedah straight.

    12. Ibn Abdullah August 28th, 2008 at 4:50 pm

      What the hell kinda question is that…just shut up and blog bro…dont try to spread fitnah and hatred amongst Muslims

    13. F-Turbo RX August 28th, 2008 at 5:05 pm

      Haha, the only people that have their aqeedah straight are the ones that have beef with MuslimMatters (and other pseudo-salafi / wahabis)

    14. Musa Franco August 28th, 2008 at 7:16 pm

      Akhi I don’tappreciate someone writing for me. May Allah forgive you akhi for impersonating me. That is not something light. I follow the aqeedah of As Salaf Us Salih. Not the Arestotelian and Platonic beleifs of the ashaira and the maturidiyah. Please Akhi Mujahideeen Ryder delete the person’s comment who has imitated me.

      May Allah bless you with good.

    15. Omar August 28th, 2008 at 7:28 pm

      Musa Franco: Insha’Allah you’ll see the error of your ways and come back into the fold of Islam from your deviant pseudo-salafi / wahabi cult and follow the aqeedah of Ahl Sunnah Wal Jama’ah, the aqeedah of the majority of the Muslims throughout Islamic history, the Ash’ari aqeedah.

    16. XF-S August 28th, 2008 at 8:29 pm

      Impersonating people now? That’s weak. You must stoop down to a pretty low level to do that. You also have to stoop down to the lowest level to use Aristotelean and Platonic beliefs as your Aqeedah, so I can see how it is possible for you to impersonate.

    17. Musa Franco August 28th, 2008 at 8:50 pm

      Akhi I will never leave the Aqeeda of Ibrahim, Ishaq, Yaqub, Ismael, Shuayb, Salih, Luqman, Isa, Musa, Idris or the noble prophet Muhammad Salalahu Alayhi Wasalaam. Akhi I cannot beleive that a muslim would make du’a to other than Allah. That boggles my mind. These same “muslims” say that they have tawheed. Yet you find them making nadr in front of a grave of a pious muslim. They have the audacity to ask him instead of Allah. This is a grave error.

      Any fundamental study on aqeeda with just looking at the quran. I mean not even discussing the sunnah and the various narrations within the ahadeeth. Just referring to the Quran; Allah says that the Pagan Makkans would say these are our intercessors with Allah. Allah ascribes everything to himself with the exception of corruption that has spread on the earth and sea. How is it that people would dare say that the aqeedah of ahlil sunnah is to ask other than Allah. Anyone that would do this is not my brother in faith. I understand some people are ignorant; May Allah guide them.

      However, It saddens me that as a convert to the deen of Al Islam at the age of 14 and now 26 people who lable themselves muslims would dare in engage in these practices that are clearly shirk. In fact wouldn’t it be more praiseworthy in the deviant mind of this individual to ask Isa instead of a “Wali” of Allah. And if you answer in the affirmative then what would be the difference between you and a christian.

      As for me I am pleased with Allah as my lord and with Islam as my lifestyle and with Muhammad Sallahu Alayhi wa salam the prophet and messenger.

      Far Is Allah from what people ascribe to him and may the peace of Allah be upon the messengers and Praise Allah the master and controler of the universe.

      Wa Salaam Alaykum

    18. Musa Franco August 28th, 2008 at 8:53 pm

      by the way akhi it shows what kind of character you have to impersonate me. Where is the character of the prophet in this???

      Allah yahdik

    19. MR August 28th, 2008 at 9:11 pm

      @Ibn Abdullah – This post is endorsed by MM. 😀

    20. Nameless August 29th, 2008 at 12:59 am

      As-Salam Alaikum

      Brother Musa. I appreciate your earnest efforts to keep away your Muslim brothers from Shirk, but I can assure you that neither the Ashari nor the Maturudi branches of Aqidah utilize any form of Aristotelian nor Platonic philosophy, nor do they allow making du`a to those other than Allah (SWT). And I say this without following either school of Aqidah. There are certainly those among the Ashari and Maturudi that commit these errors (May Allah (SWT) guide them), but, in truth, neither school accepts these practices as legitimate.

      Salam Alaikum

    21. No Name August 29th, 2008 at 1:57 am

      Actually…the overwhelming majority of scholars hold tawassul to be permissible.

      SUPPLICATING ALLAH THROUGH AN INTERMEDIARY
      http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?hD=1&ID=141&CATE=24

    22. Musa Franco - NOT August 29th, 2008 at 2:02 am

      Musa Franco: Are you serious? Are you gonna cry now? You’re a total joke. Why are you even here? Go back under the rock you came from and hang out with the rest of your pseudo-salafi / wahabi cult. Man, talk about pathetic.

    23. Musa Franco August 29th, 2008 at 7:29 am

      Your Adab is only a reflection of how the sunnah is not something you are concerned about. You have yet to refute any of my claims with any evidence.

    24. Not - Nameless August 29th, 2008 at 11:57 am

      As-Salam Alaikum

      Brother Musa. I appreciate your earnest efforts to keep away your Muslim brothers from Shirk, but I can assure you that neither the Ashari nor the Maturudi branches of Aqidah utilize any form of Aristotelian nor Platonic philosophy, nor do they allow making du`a to those other than Allah (SWT). And I say this without following either school of Aqidah. There are certainly those among the Ashari and Maturudi that commit these errors (May Allah (SWT) guide them), but, in truth, neither school accepts these practices as legitimate.

      Salam Alaikum

    25. XF-S August 29th, 2008 at 12:26 pm

      Impersonators: Musa Franco never claimed to be a “wahabi” or a “pseudo salafi”. You’re just putting words in his mouth.

    26. Musa Franco August 29th, 2008 at 7:27 pm

      Subhannallah, Walhamdulilah, Wa la Ilaha Il Allaah, Wallahu Akbar, Wa la hawla wa la quwata ila billah.

      Some of the comments were pretty rude. But it’s no problem, Walhamdulilah. It does not bother me. I am more concerned about making hijra from the ma3asi to the obedience of Allah. May Allah accept our efforts of fasting in the month of ramadan. Also May Allah Guide all of you to doing righteous deeds in ramadan. And please remember that Allah says “For sure in the messenger of Allah you have the best example”.

      The prophet muhammad sallahu alayhi wa salaam said in

      Sahih Bukhari
      Volume 8, Book 73, Number 83:

      Narrated Abu Huraira (radiallahu anho):
      The Prophet (salallahu alaihi wasallam) said, “Whoever does not give up false statements (i.e. telling lies), and evil deeds, and speaking bad words to others, Allah is not in need of his (fasting) leaving his food and drink.”

      Also in Hadith # 5 in the Arba3een of Imam An Nawawi on the authority of the Mother of the beleivers the mother of Abdullah Aisha radiallahu ta ala anha she said “the prophet sallahu alayhi wa salaam said whomever invents in our affair what is not from it will have it rejected” and in the riwaya of muslim “whoever does an action that is not from our affair will have it rejected”.

      Stay away from matters that have no evidence in the quran and the sunnah. In the fiqh there is a maxim that states that in ibadah matters everything is prohibited unless you have a text to prove the action of worship that you are engaged in. In areas of mu3amala (social interactions) everything is allowed unless there is a text prohibiting it.

      However, there are areas that are unclear. With that I would recommend that you look at Hadith # 6 of the Arba3een of An Nawawi. It is about al mushtabihat (unclear matters).

      This is a reminder for me and you. It is not my intention to argue. Allah says when the ignorant approach them the say salama.

      Wa Salaam Alaykum

    27. Musa Franco August 29th, 2008 at 7:28 pm

      I appreciate your adab not-nameless May Allah reward you for it.

      And Ibn Abdullah thanks for the support. May Allah make Ramadan fruitfull for you.

    28. Ibn Abdullah August 29th, 2008 at 8:25 pm

      Br. MR u need to check some of the comments here…they r really disturbing…u need to get rid of those rude comments…this is an islamic blog…some ppl sound like wild animals.

    29. Musa Franco August 29th, 2008 at 9:38 pm

      I am interested in knowing what makes an individual simpleminded???

      Just curious…

      Ma3 Salaam

    30. Nameless August 30th, 2008 at 3:37 am

      “Actually…the overwhelming majority of scholars hold tawassul to be permissible.

      SUPPLICATING ALLAH THROUGH AN INTERMEDIARY
      http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?hD=1&ID=141&CATE=24

      Brother, I was not speaking of tawassul through people (living or dead). The majority of the Salafi (as far as I know) disagree with this practice on the basis that they consider it a bid`ah. I (and I believe brother Musa) was instead speaking of actually making du`a to a human, and seeking barakah from them. This practice has been rejected by all Islamic Scholars, even though some of the more ignorant of the Muslimeen still commit this regrettable practice (May Allah forgive them, and guide them away from their error).

    31. Musa Franco August 30th, 2008 at 11:26 am

      Jazak Allahu khair for the response. However, I do have some contentions. As stated before I and I am also sure that you will only take proofs from the Quran and Sunnah. So I am sure we are on the same page about that my brother. Therefore, As far as I understand Tawasul it means that you come closer to Allah. However, I have never understood it from a linguistic aspect or a religious aspect to mean shufa3a’ (intercessors).

      And quite the contrary Allah ta ala says in Suratu Zumar ” They the mushrikin say ” We do not supplicate to them and turn toward them except to seek nearness (lee yu qaribuhum) and intercession with Allah “. Aya 3.

      Allah says in Surat Yunus “They all worshipped other than Allah from what would not harm or benefit them; they say these are our intercessors with Allah”. Aya 18.

      As for the Shafa3 then they are of two types.

      1. As shifa3atu Ul manfiyah (denied and negated)

      2. As Shifa3atu Ul Muthabata (Is the one that is permitted)

      This one is the one in which the person doing it is honured by Allah and whose actions Allah is pleased with.

      Allah says “who is there that can intercede with him, except by his permission”. Baqara aya 255.

      This deals with two topics. One being the justification that the jahali arabs used to rationalize their shirk.

      The second is the topic of intercession in general.

      When I have a little more time I will respond further to the link provided bidhniallah.

      Wa Salaam Alaykum

      Ma3 Salaam

    32. Nameless August 30th, 2008 at 2:47 pm

      As-Salam Alaikum

      Brother Musa, that link was not my own, I was responding to the comment of another brother. As for tawasul itself, if I’m correct in assuming that you are, or at least favor, the Salafi path, then I was correct in what I said earlier, as far as I know. While tawasul through the virtue of creation is a point of disagreement among scholars, the dispute is whether it is a bid`ah or not, and not if it constitutes shirk. As I said before, however, there is a consensus that directly asking any creation in the form of du`a (i.e. as one would ask Allah (SWT)), whether that person is an Awliya or the Prophet (SWS) himself, is clear cut haram (and shirk too, if I’m not mistaken).

      For a better explanation, try the following website:

      http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/979

      I hope this helps.

      Salam Alaikum

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