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Mumbai Attacks [UPDATE: Some victims were Muslims]

Update: Some of the vicitms are Muslims.  You can see the list here.  Many of the names are clearly Muslim such as Mohammed Ansari, Abdul Shaikh Sohel, Abdul Razak, Asif Mohamed, and others.

These are attacks are really sad, becuase India has a large population of Muslims and some of the victims undoubtedly are Muslims.  Regardless of who the victims are, all of them came to Mumbai to stay at the hotels and visit some amazing architecture which Muslims built.  Now we have some idiots who claim to be “mujahideen” killing these innocent people.  Really makes me mad on why some of these terrorists think when they do these things.  Then again these terrorists do not follow the Qur’an or Sunnah.  They follow their leaders who have brainwashed them.  There is also a possibility that they could not be Muslim and just a group trying to make Muslims look bad.  I can definitely seeing extremist Hindu groups doing this.

There are Muslims in the government, in the police, in the army, in the hospitals and everyone in India (even in Bollywood!).  I pray and hope that these attacks will not bring a wave of Islamophobia in India against the majority (99%) of the Muslims there.

On another side note, the news media has calimed that the “Deccan Mujahideen” have claimed responsibility, but the US inteligence does not believe that.  I don’t have a source, I just heard it on CNN on TV.


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    1. Global Voices Online » Terror in Mumbai: Theories, strategies and more Media November 27th, 2008 at 1:18 pm

      […] Mujahideen Ryder writes on the possible backlash this may provoke against Muslims in India. Now we have some idiots who claim to be “mujahideen” killing these innocent people. Really makes me mad on why some of these terrorists think when they do these things. Then again these terrorists do not follow the Qur’an or Sunnah. They follow their leaders who have brainwashed them. There is also a possibility that they could not be Muslim and just a group trying to make Muslims look bad. I can definitely seeing extremist Hindu groups doing this. […]

    2. Gary Rowland November 27th, 2008 at 1:37 pm

      I believe these attacks show the cowardice of the terrorist. What do they want, I don’t feel sorry for them in any way for their way of life and beliefs and could never believe in what they believe. They have nothing that I want, couldn’t live they way they do.

      Who would want to, except those that are forced to and can’t make any better choices.

    3. Reader November 27th, 2008 at 1:37 pm

      http://umarlee.com/2008/11/27/american-muslims-should-not-condemn-the-mumbai-attacks/

    4. C L O S E R » Blogging Mumbai November 27th, 2008 at 2:26 pm

      […] Mumbai Attacks | MR’s Blog Regardless of who the victims are, all of them came to Mumbai to stay at the hotels and visit some amazing architecture which Muslims built. Now we have some idiots who claim to be “mujahideen” killing these innocent people. Really makes me mad on why some of these terrorists think when they do these things. Then again these terrorists do not follow the Qur’an or Sunnah. They follow their leaders who have brainwashed them. There is also a possibility that they could not be Muslim and just a group trying to make Muslims look bad. I can definitely seeing extremist Hindu groups doing this. […]

    5. Tom De Jong November 27th, 2008 at 6:18 pm

      I ‘ m expecting it to be the madness of some muslim group. Notice i choose not to differentiate between terrorists and muslims.

    6. Amad November 27th, 2008 at 10:54 pm

      good job MR, we all need to raise our voices against all types of madness.

      As Muslims, we condemn such senseless carnage against innocent civilians, wherever it may occur. This goes against the fundamental spirit of Islam, which promotes a culture of life and humanity, not bloodshed and violence. And another example of why extremist ideology, whatever that ideology may be, needs to be refuted and condemned.

      “Whoever kills a person [unjustly]… it is as though he has killed all mankind. And whoever saves a life, it is as though he had saved all mankind.” (Qur’an, 5:32)

      Today, we join all Indians in expressing our outrage and our condemnation of this senseless spilling of innocent blood.

      Terrorists on Murderous Rampage in Mumbai: As Muslims, We Condemn it

    7. Mangesh November 28th, 2008 at 1:09 am

      Before reading the blog I though mujahideen means muslim terrorists, I now know that it means probably something different. I just want to send this message across to all the terrorist who have trained so hard that killing young children and women is no act of bravery. They should be ashamed to even call themselves men and further more they should be ashamed to call them human beings.

    8. Tom De Jong November 28th, 2008 at 6:53 pm

      Deccan refers to the Deccan Plateau in southern India which encompasses the states of Maharashtra, Andhra Pradesh and Karnataka. The name is an anglicised form of the Prakrit word dakkhin, itself derived from the Sanskrit word dakṣiṇa-, meaning ‘South’ or ‘The South’.

      Mujahideen in Arabic literally means “strugglers”. However, some terrorist groups, such as Al-Qaeda, carry out terrorist acts under the rubric of “Jihad,” meaning “struggle.”

      But whether the group Deccan Mujahideen is local or foreign, a new group or operating under an assumed name, the undeniable fact is that it is comprised of the Islamic men.

      Some of the vicitms are Muslims. You can see the list here. Many of the names are clearly Muslim such as Mohammed Ansari, Abdul Shaikh Sohel, Abdul Razak, Asif Mohamed, and others.

      to bad there’s not 151 muslim names on that list.

    9. Tom De Jong November 28th, 2008 at 8:58 pm

      and killing people in the name of allah is okay

      The real mujahideen are those who fight, not because they hate something, but because they love their Lord so much that they are willing to give their lives, so that they can fulfill the order of their Lord to protect their brethren, and fight those who transgress against the boundaries of their Lord, of peace. They don’t fight for hate, they, and all of the people on the Muslim blogosphere, and all of those in the whole Muslim world breathe, live, fight, and die for the love of the All-Powerful, All-Mighty, The First, and The Last, what do you live and die for
      ya okay how about u join the 21st century.

    10. Tom De Jong November 28th, 2008 at 9:21 pm

      its a weird world when im called a hater for pointing out all the good muslims teaching their children to hate the west. Then im on a usa muslim associations blog and they are discussing whether or not they should condemn the terrorist attacks in Mumbai. Makes u wonder .

    11. Tom De Jong November 28th, 2008 at 9:22 pm

      lets blame it on hindus or the jews “they like to make us look bad” like they need any help.

    12. Tom De Jong November 28th, 2008 at 10:01 pm

      i kind of equate muslims to the gangs in the usa —- if they are killing themselves its one thing but killing innocent people thats something else.

    13. Tom De Jong November 29th, 2008 at 1:13 am

      I’m not saying mistakes have not been made. In fact i will grant u the history of US foreign policy. Unfortunately the middle east has been important to the west geopolitically and that does not excuse puppet governments, ruthless dictators and the like.
      The history of the world is full of injustices including religous wars, nations vs nations, world wars and nieghours against nieghbour. I would guess that at any given point one side or the other felt justified.
      Its my guess that u feel that these middle east wars are more to do about the west fighting Islam and i don’t believe that at all.
      The misguided notion that the middle east could be a hotbed of democracy is a pipedream but i truly believe the president saw iraq as an opportunty to make things right and start something new in the area. That i’m afraid is going to be unlikely. It seems that fighting for justice has more to do with fighting for some percieved imposition on religous freedom than joining the 21st century economy as imperiled as it is or fighting the opression of current leaders for some form democratic governments.
      Its interesting to me when u say its eay to find a few examples of extreme muslims here and there.
      When a group representing the muslims in the US has to question whether or not to condemn the attacks i say its not just a few here and there but a religon whose elders have lost control and given way to athe radical youth movement.
      Muslims seem to be looking back and not forward.

    14. vish November 29th, 2008 at 3:49 pm

      dear usmaan
      u have post very seductive argument with tom di jong. but why punish innocent people who had nothing to with the decisions made by some of the American’s when in power. Why not punish the people who made these decisions rather than mindlessly aiming the violence at innocent people. Why not put up United Muslim Front rather than this mindless killing?
      I don’t see your approach as a solution and I can see your internet save. Why not use this as a medium to garner support for such a front instead. Violence is no the only answer…

    15. Tom De Jong November 29th, 2008 at 5:13 pm

      Okay, As I see it the battles the people of the middle east should be fighting is against their governments. That seems like a battle worth fighting. Not that its any of my business.
      With power comes great responsibility. Many mistakes have been made along the way. Is the west and in particular the usa a force for good or bad in the world. Your statements denote a sense that they are more bad than good.
      Seemingly unjust wars, repressive regimes, dictatorships and what is the part played by the west in helping in its promotion. We put these things up against Kosovo, removing Sadaam from Kuwait and attempting to help feed the hungry in Somalia by attempting to stop a ruthless warlord from hijacking un food relief and ensuring food got to starving people only to be chastised for getting involved. I think they may be in a no win situation. They fund Israel in what seems like a disproportionate way – yet almost all of Israel’s neighbors do not recognize their right to exist. The freest Arabs and Muslims in the middle east live in Israel. I think its time to move on – stop the exploitation of the Palestinians and move forward toward a peaceful coexistence.
      I guess I should just be happy that everyone who has been wronged in this world is not looking to inflict retribution the likes of what we see today with the soft support of those who can feel empathy.
      So what would you have the west do? Where are we now? Yes many mistakes have been made, should we walk away from our investments in the middle east. Okay, lets do that, you know what we stand for supporting and oil industry that means little to the hoipiloi. Is the Middle East better off when we no longer promote women’s rights in the region? Our old friend sadaam stays in powerand we save the lives of our solders and the 500 billion it has cost to run this war when u factor in reconstruction costs not to mention the economic disaster the west is suffering from.
      To what end and for what benifit, lets be honest

      Terrorism: The Root Causes
      By David Meir-Levi

      The “roots causes” of terrorism:

      1) Poverty?

      The most frequently mentioned “root cause” of Arab hatred and pursuant terrorist assaults is poverty. This Marxist explanation is very seductive. Waging a war against poverty is far more appealing than waging a war against extremist Moslems. But we need to keep the following in mind:

      A) The most poverty-stricken areas of the world (south American indigenous, sub-Saharan Africa, parts of east Asia and India) have produced no terrorism – or almost no terrorists.

      B) Almost all terror leaders and many terror perpetrators are or were rich, or at least middle class. Osama bin Laden is a multi-millionaire, Zawahiri is a doctor, and Mohammed Atta, the leader of the 9/11 terrorists, was a dentist.

      C) The most poverty-stricken populations in the Arab world are in the countries where the rulers live in luxury and keep 90 percent of the country’s income for their egregiously luxurious life-style, or for the enhancement of their WMD’s and conventional arsenals, while their people starve (Arabia, Syria, Sudan, Libya, Saddam’s Iraq). So if poverty is the cause of hatred and terrorism is spawned by that hatred, then why are not the poor of these countries flying airplanes into the palaces of their evil rulers?

      The fact is that although poverty may assist in the recruitment of terrorists, it is not a “root cause” of terrorism.

      2) Hopelessness, desperation and lack of opportunity?

      Liberal, humanitarian Americans can really get behind a war against hopelessness.

      But terror groups draw their leadership and rank-and-file from all classes of society. The middle and upper classes in 2nd- and 3rd- world countries are far from hopeless or desperate. Even the lower classes in at least some these countries have opportunities to migrate to countries offering better opportunity (hence the tens of millions that knock on our doors, or slip illegally through our southern and northern borders, or relocate to Europe, every year).

      As noted above, many of the Palestinian suicide bombers have been well-to-do or even rich men; many of them are high school or college educated professionals with careers – far from hopeless or desperate.

      Even in the case of recruits from refugee camps where hopelessness may be a serious factor in defining the lives and futures of young people there, let’s recall that they have been forced to stay in those camps by their host governments (not by Israel and not by the USA), while much of the aid given to these populations by UNRWA is funded by the USA. So why is it that the hopeless and impoverished in these camps, out of the desperation of their hopelessness and lack of opportunity imposed upon them by their own corrupt and inhumane rulers, are not flying airplanes into the government buildings of the dictators who have oppressed them for 50 years?

      Consider as well one of several countervailing examples: hundreds of thousands of Burmese have been in refugee camps in Thailand, hopeless, poverty-stricken, desperate, for more than 20 years – terrorism doesn’t not hold sway there.

      Like “poverty,” “hopelessness/desperation” cannot be a root cause. But it is a great distraction from the real nature of terrorism.

      3) Fury at the West’s “mistreatment” of Moslems?

      This is perhaps the most frequent and vociferous of false causes. It sounds reasonable until one takes even the briefest look at the reality of the Moslem world:

      a) Moslems kill Moslems by the millions and no one in the Arab world cares.

      Saddam killed far more Moslems than any other leader in the world at any time in history (1,200,000 during his 32 year reign = 3,125 per month, on average), but he is a hero to many in the Arab world. Saddam killed thousands of children, letting them starve to death in the streets of his cities, while he used the Oil-for-Food money to rebuild his army and replenish his WMD arsenal. Yet Osama justifies his terror attacks by blaming the West, and especially the USA, for the deaths of those children.

      Mauritania and Sudan legally enslave Moslems, but no one in the Arab and Muslim world seems to care (except the enslaved).

      Syria’s occupation of Lebanon (1975-2005) has wrecked the country, destroyed the economy, killed literally tens of thousands, rendered close to a million homeless, but both Hafez and young Bashir are doyens of Arab leadership.

      Arafat killed, imprisoned, or tortured far more Palestinians than Israel, yet he was adulated as a modern Saladin.

      The Algerian government has maintained a 10-year war against Islamist Moslem Brotherhood groups that seek to replace the secular Algerian government with Shari’a law and Islamofascist rule. This war has resulted in the deaths of 200,000 and left a million homeless (due to government retaliation when there is an attack on government forces: level the entire village from which the attack came, kill thousands and render the survivors homeless). Yet no one in the Arab world cries out at the terrible slaughter of Moslem Arabs by the Algerian army.

      Sudanese Arabs have killed almost 2,000,000 Christian Arabs, black African Moslems, and Animists in their 21-year war, erroneously or misleadingly described by the western media as a civil war. In actuality, it is a genocide by the Moslem Arab north against the Christian, Moslem and animist black African south. This is part of a vast land-grab strategy now spearheaded by the mounted Janjaweed militias that are indiscriminately killing tens of thousands of black African Moslems in the western province of Darfur. They terrify and murder these people, so that the survivors will flee and the Arab Moslem gentry will take their lands. Two million dead and millions more homeless refugees…and until just recently, no one seemed to care.

      The Wahhabi Saudi royal family’s security forces have killed hundreds of thousands of Shi’ite Arabs over the past few decades. No one in the Arab world is threatening to fly planes into their buildings. [1]

      b) The USA defends Moslems and the Arab world does not notice.

      When Christians attacked Moslems in Bosnia, the Arab world was silent. Serbs massacred 8,000 Muslim men and boys in Srebrenica 10 years ago, but not a ripple disturbed the serene calm of Muslim opinion. Western Europe would not take up arms against the Christian Serbs to save Moslems, so the USA did instead. We will never know how many thousands or tens of thousands of lives were saved by U.S. intervention in Bosnia – but it hardly seems to matter. The Arab world still demonizes us.

      The U.S. invasion of Iraq in Gulf War 1 was an operation that saved two religious Islamic countries (Kuwait and Saudi Arabia) from conquest by a totalitarian Iraq.

      c) Moslem countries support Russia, which oppresses Moslems.

      Chechnya has been ravaged by Russian occupation for decades, yet last October, the Muslim summit in Kuala Lumpur (Malaysia) gave a hero’s welcome to Vladimir Putin, the man who has presided over the massacre of more Chechen Moslems than anyone in any other period in Russian history.

      d) U.S. and Western money has supported the Arab and Moslem world for decades.

      The USA, EU, UK and UN (with predominantly western money) have supported Moslems, Moslem states, and Moslem causes for 50 years. Far from having neglected or marginalized these countries, U.S. aid to Moslem countries throughout the world has been in the billions per year for decades (despite the fact that some of these same countries oppose us in the UN, vilify us in their media and sermons, and provide support and haven for the same terrorists that want to destroy us). Egypt alone receives almost $3 billion per year from the USA.

      A large part of Egypt’s population is alive today because of the millions of tons of free wheat that Eisenhower gave them in the 50’s when Nasser’s coup left their economy in a shambles.

      The EU has given 50 percent of its foreign aid to the Palestinian Authority for the past ten years, even while knowing that most of those billions were being used to fund terror.

      Of the billions and billions of dollars coming through the UN to UNRWA for Palestinian refugees, approximately 30 percent comes from the USA alone, while only about 3 percent comes from the Arab world. But none of the terrorist spokespersons faults the Saudis for not being generous enough, or thanks us for our assistance.

      In sum, even the most superficial glance as the last 50 years of USA-Moslem interaction demonstrates that far from attacking Islam or ignoring the plight of Moslems, the USA has been a strong supporter and defender of the weak, poor, hopeless, and helpless in the Arab world….and what good does that do us when the Islamofascists shriek about America’s war against Islam? Right now there are 22 active conflicts across the globe in which Arabs are at cause, but Islamofascist propaganda publicizes only those conflicts that can be twisted and spun to provide excuses for fomenting hatred against the United States.

      An excellent example is the recent spate of vitriolic anti-American demonstrations (in which scores died) throughout the Moslem world as expression of rage about the as yet uncorroborated report that some American official in Guantanamo may have flushed a Quran down a toilet. Surely disrespecting sacred text is wrong but the Saudi government authorizes the burning of Christian Bibles to the tune of 30,000 per year, confiscated from Christians in Arabia.

      Sunni Moslem terrorists have routinely blown up Shi’ite Moslem Mosques with Shi’ite Moslem worshipers in them, destroying Moslem holy places and killing hundreds of Moslems throughout Iraq. And the entire Arab and Moslem worlds are silent!

      If the “Arab Street” is silent to the destruction of Moslem holy places and the mass murder of Moslem worshipers by other supposedly hyper-orthodox Moslems, why are there massive riots across the entire Moslem world in response to an uncorroborated journalistic assertion of American mistreatment of the Quran?

      It should be obvious that the riots are staged by totalitarian Moslem governments as just another manifestation of the “hate America” strategy of Moslem leaders who support Islamofascism and seek to destroy the West.

      The hatred exists independently of the actions of the USA. But the terrorists create fictitious excuses for their terrorism by accusing the USA and the West (and Israel) of horrific crimes of which we are innocent, but which in fact are more akin to what the Moslem world has been doing to itself for hundreds of years.

      4) American military threats to the Moslem world?

      As noted above, the opposite is the case. Decades before Afghanistan and Iraq 2, we used our military power to support Arab causes: as when Truman forced Israel to return segments of eastern Sinai to Egypt after the 1948 war; or when Eisenhower forced Israel to return the entire Sinai to Egypt in 1956; or when Johnson forced Israel to agree to cease-fires in 1967, and Nixon in 1973, just when Israel’s armies were on the verge of decisive victories; or when we sent our Marines to Lebanon to protect Palestinians and to save Arafat from Sharon in 1982 (only to have 226 of those same Marines blown up by an Arab suicide bomber); or when Clinton pressured Israel to bring Arafat out of exile in Tunisia and set him up as governor of the Palestinian Authority so that the Oslo Accords could be implemented, or when we bombed Christian Serbs to protect Moslems in Bosnia.

      Our first war with Iraq was to protect the Moslem Arab states of Kuwait and Saudi Arabia from a secular Arab state (Iraq). Osama et al are avowed anti-secular Moslems. So why are they not grateful that we saved avowedly anti-secular Moslem states from a secular Arab state’s invasion?

      But despite 50 years of support, protection, money and aid – as well as our own American soldiers dead and wounded to aid and support Moslem countries – Osama, Hezbollah, Hamas et cetera shriek about how the USA is the “black Satan,” which wants to destroy Islam and kill Moslems.

    16. Tom De Jong November 29th, 2008 at 5:37 pm

      Usman Aktar i acknowledge your repudiation of terrorism i’m concerned with the word “but” it follows all your condemnations and to me it shows me unfortunately an Insidious soft support for what are reprehensible acts of cowardice. Bye for now Tom

    17. Tom De Jong November 29th, 2008 at 6:15 pm

      ok before u react to the word cowardice i will retract it

    18. Tom De Jong November 29th, 2008 at 6:34 pm

      Though a deliberate attack on unarmed innocent people would be the opposite of bravery. Lets replace the word with terror.

    19. Hussein Mahomedy November 29th, 2008 at 7:38 pm

      Salaams

      Interesting exchange. Terror in my opinion becomes a perpetuating ,vicious cycle once it erupts. It completely destroys peace and breaks the common threads that keep humanity together . The question is what causes human beings to terrorise ? Why do we resort to such inhuman cruel and dangerous methods to secure some ends ? Are we not civilized enough to apply our rational sense and find peaceful solutions? The problem of terror is that is manifests through both individual and state terror. The corrupt leaderships that hold power globally are not wise people.They are placed in responsible positions but lack genuine ethics and morality. Poor leadership creates problems for citizens as there is no guidance. Terror clearly shows that we as humanity is at war with ourselves because we lack inner peace and guidance. No one can clearly indicate that they are not part of some terror as violent behaviour is common in our very homes . We display anger and hatred for others and for our families . Terror manifests as an inherent sickness and spreads like a cancer . We care not to understand each other but seek to destroy each other for petty gain. Muslims feel victimized and express themselves when oppressed . Does oppression like war allow any human being to break the rules of humanity ? I think that entrenched oppression makes brutes out of the best of us when in trial . Terror is wrong .Period . But how do you explain that to someone whose child has been slaughtered . You cannot . He seeks revenge for his child and no good counsel will stop him from seeking revenge . Muslims sufferring is a global ohenomenon and it is escalating . How will muslims respond depends on how they are treated . Wise counsel and good advice is necessary and real goodwill to improve their lives . perpetual opporession is the bredding ground for terror and more danger for all of humanity . Muslims in crisis are responding by taking the law into their own hands because they feel that the justice system has let them down . In Palestine, we witness hopelessness . Is death not better than life in that country ? Can you stop terror when people are desperate ? You cannot . A crazed angry person will only seek to exact revenge and will spend his time in determining how to get even . Critics can advise but revenge is difficult to rationalize . The American war in Afghanistan and Iraq is state sponsored revenge for 911 . thats how an entire nation responded . Now if leaders respond by killing 1 million people in Iraq ,then how ill individual respond when their near ones are murdered . Theses are also innocent people who have been killed . So revenge makes way for more revenge and it will continue with or without force to stop it . The only answer to stopping terror is drumming sense into the human mind . But when leaders lack sense then it is free for all , the killing fields are open for destruction and in this way we will all destroy ourselves due to stupidity . Muslims or non muslims we all will destroy ourselves unless we aim collectively to establish peace . More war ad more hatred will lead us nowhere but to hell in this world .

      hussein
      south africa

    20. Tom De Jong November 29th, 2008 at 8:41 pm

      So what would u have the West do?

    21. Tom De Jong November 29th, 2008 at 9:28 pm

      Okay, Later Usman, opologies for my frustration. Tom

    22. Usman Akhtar November 29th, 2008 at 9:32 pm

      subhanullah….

    23. sweetie November 30th, 2008 at 3:46 am

      dear usman,
      its sad to see an empassioned person who is so sensitive to the suffering of his community,justify the violence done to another,perhaps war is the only answer for iyou t then,
      you seem to have closed all doors to reason, violence seem the only way for you.
      but atleast it should be fair t,then declare war….whosoever feels this injustice should garner their forces and people choose a place and a location and fight,instead of catching people off guard,inform them,so they have a chance to fight atleast,every one has aright to defend themselves,its cowardly to come in the stealth of night,not identify yourself,if you fight for a cause,and want to die for it,why the garb of terrorism,come out clean

    24. sak November 30th, 2008 at 4:06 am

      That was an interesting conversation, encouraging to see it evolve from a label fest to an actual exchange of ideas.

      I couldnt help but think about some stuff after I saw the picture of one of the mumbai attackers from a security camera or something…he looks like a kid going to school…except he has an AK-47 and a bag full of grenades.

      I feel like as muslims we talk alot about the plight of the people that actually commit these acts, and what they must have gone through to get to the point where they are ready to indiscriminately kill civilians. That makes sense. And I am totally cognizant of the role that western policies have had in creating some of these situations. But I wonder if there isnt a way, all of us who find these acts so abhorrent, to also turn the heat on the groups and supposed religious leaders who not only make it ok, but actively recruit these kids with so much pain and tell them to channel it into terrorist acts.

      It is absolutely right that we can never rid the world of people who have undergone extremely horrible situations, but cant we do a better job of controlling the people who take advantage of that pain to further whatever perverse goals they have?

      A kid in palestine who has seen his whole family die doesnt go and make his own suicide vest and blow himself up, hes recruited and coaxed and brainwashed into channeling all that grief into a suicide mission and then given a suicide vest by some organization there that is using his grief for their own gain

      I just feel like I know what western governments have done, and how we are supporting governments in places around the world that are inflicting so much pain. But just shooting and blowing up people indiscriminately, really? thats what muslims are doing? it just seems like a response that is so below us, and we shouldnt just condemn it with our words, we should try to figure out what part of our societal structures, whether it be the home, the mosque, the school, the government that is encouraging the use of terror as a goal and do whatever we can to stop them.

      Last musing: what does it accomplish? Even if one were to believe these people who say killing innocent civilians on purpose is an okay response to everything that is going on, what does it accomplish? I dont see the any country in the muslim world doing better off. I dont see any less pain being inflicted. I dont see any attitudes being changed, if anything were creating a generation of non-muslims who will grow up correlating islam with terrorism. is all this stuff really happening just to make “the enemy” feel our pain? How is that not our first and foremost argument for anyone who promotes these acts?

      Disclaimer: everything I wrote was kind of just a free flow of thoughts, maybe not completely reflected on yet, I know i prob made alot of generalizations and I know so many muslims are active, whether it be in blogs or out in the world, in combating the idealogies of these fanatic groups, but i just thought it was important to note that there are more concrete areas we can target in our desire to end terrorism that just blaming the west.

    25. sak November 30th, 2008 at 4:11 am

      sweetie, (really weird to start a response with that)

      i really dont think usman was justifying the violence. Rather, he was showing how it was conceivable that someone could even be in the state of mind to commit a terrorist act. if i gleaned anything from his responses, it was that he is would be fully committed to finding a peaceful solution.

    26. Hussein Mahomedy November 30th, 2008 at 5:16 am

      Leadership is lacking globally . The USA plays policeman selectively . Human beings are dying in millions as a result of poor leadership . Our wars are considered justified , yet it opens for more terror , not less . Stupid people are made leaders . Is this democracy ? Under the current circumstances , the system will destroy us all . Hypocrisy cannot make way for peace . Terror is a seriousproblem because there is a series of underlying problems . Let us focus on healing the roots , not the effect . Alternatively , terror will only increase as wars increase for mans greed .
      Hussein

    27. Usman Akhtar November 30th, 2008 at 10:47 am

      @ “sweetie”

      “dear usman,
      its sad to see an empassioned person who is so sensitive to the suffering of his community,justify the violence done to another,perhaps war is the only answer for iyou t then,
      you seem to have closed all doors to reason, violence seem the only way for you.”

      I doubt that you actually read my long-winded thoughts, and just came to a conclusion by skimming over them, so let me deliver an answer to your charge with somethings I already said.

      Usman says:

      “I want to re-inforce that I condemn all acts of terrorism, but in my opinion if you really want to end terrorism, then you have to eliminate the environment that breeds terrorism, and that is injustice.”

      “yes there are wrong things happening on both sides, you can’t just look at the injustice of one, and then ignore the other.”

      “Brother Tom, i would not condemn terrorism, unless I absolutely, completely, believed that it is wrong. And i think, that truly if someone really hates terrorism, and wants to see an end to it, then they would objectively analyze the root causes of the problems therein, whether they are muslim or non-muslim”

      Now all that being said, I have no idea what you’re rambling about.

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    29. rahul December 8th, 2008 at 4:52 am

      sir/madam,
      I feel that these terrorists are trying to make Hindus and Muslims in this country to fight against each other so as to de-stabilise the country.
      Look, at what they were talking to the media whan they were in Taj Hotel that “we are from Hyderabad (India) and we are here to take revenge of Gujrat riots. Muslims in this country are poor, downtrodden, backward, neglected etc “.
      When asked by India TV’s mews reader about “how can you say so, when India’s President has been muslim, so many actors in the film industry are muslims, so many cricketers are muslims, so many are the representatives of government are muslims and they all are accepted by Indian people (majority of them as Hindus)”, then, at that point, the terrorist had no answer and said “age age dekho, yeh to kuch bhi nahi hai” and put off his phone.
      Actually these terrorists were speaking in Pakistani accent and were telling that they were Indian.
      They have got nothing to do with the welfare of Muslims in India but to inject hatred in the minds of Hindus and Muslims, so that they fight against each other
      Indian Hindus and Indian Muslims should understand that they should not allow terrorists or politicians etc to use them against each other.
      See, THERE is only one power that has created this world, you and me.
      Muslims call that POWER as ALLAH
      Hindus call that same POWER as BHAGWAN
      The meaning is same.

    30. Meryill December 9th, 2008 at 4:44 am

      To Usman Akhtar, first let me quote you-

      “So Tom De Jong and all other Zionist/Anti-Islam/Anti-Thinking/Redneck/KKK/Nazi’s, ******* off, and you can take those stars as whatever meaning you want to interpret them as, as words cannot describe how disgusting your purpose is. You are so pitiful, that instead of using the time given to you in your life to try and promote something that you believe gives purpose, whether it be Islam or not, your entire existence is based upon hate,”

      “…based upon hate”? Well what would I presume you are professing now… Don’t know about hate but definitely I see no respect at the least. Anyways I know at least whom not to talk about Islam.

    31. krishna December 14th, 2008 at 9:50 am

      The one i love perished in these filthy attacks. Am totally destroyed, and i am publicly announcing my suicide. Maybe it’s cowardice from my part, but i can’t live without her. She was the only one i had in my life, in my heart. Maybe i should have lived to try n help the fight against terrorism, but let’s be realistic, if the Huge World Governmental Bodies cannot/don’t want to do enough to eradicate this plague, then how We, common people will do it! My love’s name is Saamiya Khan, and wherever she is, i just want to tell her that i loved her, i love her, and always will soul n heart! I am bidding farewell to this cruel world, which is not meant to live, but to die!

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