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By: loveProphet

loveProphet — Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:49:44 +0000

There are some people that are of no use to this Ummah. They are the type of people who just destroy things i.e. engage in desconstructive criticism at everything and don’t propose any alternatives themselves.

By: unconventionally-traditional

unconventionally-traditional — Thu, 15 Jan 2009 03:32:17 +0000

at kearns
ok the convo totally veered off.
obviously we’ll have to use a different strategy, and ours would probably be more effective, since we’re advocating for justice and our rights. Rather then blindly supporting a regime based on apartheid.
I was referring to mains stream media, and not in terms of lobbying since they are laws that assure a level of transparency. Hence, why their activities are available online.
I’m sorry i dont really understand the link between my post and your rebuttal.
By the way you never know circumstances do change, alliance, based on common ground and contribution, with the evangelics might happen. as UNLIKELY as it may seem.

By: MR

MR — Wed, 14 Jan 2009 05:56:19 +0000

@Umm4X – You are right. I do not mean to belittle small deeds. I am just saying we need to also do more than these small deeds.

By: Ummi4X

Ummi4X — Wed, 14 Jan 2009 02:36:01 +0000

http://www.givingbacktohumanity.org

By: Ummi4X

Ummi4X — Wed, 14 Jan 2009 02:34:49 +0000

Do not belittle small deeds, brother. Feeding the needy is no small task.

By: Kearns

Kearns — Wed, 14 Jan 2009 00:42:21 +0000

@unconventionally-traditional my comment isn’t defeatist at all, clearly my point is that if the main reason (and it is IMHO) that Israel receives such support from the American government is due to this “Christian Zionist”, then we cannot possible use the same strategy to improve our stature since these “Christian Zionists” will not seemingly coordinate with us.

I didn’t say we should do nothing, but we should recognize that:

1. Just because Isreael receives support from non-Jewish Zionists, doesn’t mean that said Zionists have any respect for the Jews. Quite the contrary, they frequently discuss the need to convert these Jews, and their belief that part of their understanding of the “end of days” includes mass conversions of said Jews

2. Attempting to combat this philosophy without understanding it will be difficult since it defies all reason we may put behind it. Certainly we will agree with many of the signs of the end of days, and much of what will happen, however Muslims (for the most part, perhaps not entirely) would never claim that they can somehow hasten judgement day by planning to bring about the signs. As if making your own road sign might may a city closer than it was previously.

and

3. Zionists work quite out in the open. Just check out http://www.aipac.com/ and you’ll see they work in the open and spend quite a bit of time lobbying every facet of the US government to ensure that their voice is the loudest and most listened to.

By: unconventionally-traditional

unconventionally-traditional — Wed, 14 Jan 2009 00:13:58 +0000

I was burning inside to comment, Mashallah, by far the best thing you have ever posted!!!
I wrote a post abt conspiracy theories, amongst muslims just yesterday. Mines a little satirical, and it just condemns, mashallah you’ve introduced solutions.
Kearns point 2 argument, is very defeatist, u’re basically saying what’s the point of doing this , if evangelics have combined their efforts with the zionist, Allah is the best of planners, just do ur job and Allah will take care of the rest. Truth be told we don’t put our trust in Allah(swt) anymore, only occasionally if we’re facing devastating adversity.
We should “think globally act locally” if we change ourselves and our immediate community, then others, whether they are across the sea or in the next city, will definitely reap the benefits, since Allah(swt) guarantees it.
No one really sees the contributions of the Zionist, evidently their doing it discreetly, just like you won’t hear about Zaytuna College on CNN. Just because it’s not visible, doesnt mean it’s not happening. Discretion works in our favor, just as it does for them. We shouldn’t expect to be plastered all over the media, at the occurrence of any initiatives done by muslims.

I had one issue with ur post abt holidays getting recognized. How many muslims do u know that are advocating for holiday “rights”? No one bothers cuz they believe it’s a losing battle. I’ve had friends who have gotten exams deferred on the basis of Eid. If we base our lack of rights on discrimination, “just bcuz they have it we should to” you’ll never reach a compromise in that matter. We should be saying we deserve those rights! Why? According to this law and that law! Subhanalah, We secure prayer rooms, what other group do u know that has fully furnished room with carpets and the whole works on campus? We should be applying the same argument for Eid.

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By: Jim

Jim — Tue, 13 Jan 2009 21:02:17 +0000

Same old thing all the Muslim want to do is fight and kill. They should focus their money on education and building their country instead of fighting Zionists. Muslin are always blaming some else for trouble instead of taking charge and trying to make their life better.