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		<title>By: Muslim bro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Muslim bro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 11:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@al-suyuufi (and others):

I agree 100% with you regarding the Madkhaliyoon, and that the extremist, pro-Taghoot, pro-palace “scholar,” anti-“J” Madkhaliyoon are indeed a very big fitnah to the ummah right now. But isn’t there a balance somewhere?

I mean at the same time, do you believe that it is halaal to intentionally target and slaughter ALL noncombatant kuffar everywhere in Western countries including intentionally killing women and children (as many of these AQ shuyookh preach and condone)???

For instance, Shaykh Yusuf al-&#039;Uyayri (ra) said that Muslims should intentionally kill millions of “civilian” (his word not mine) Americans including women, children and senior citizens, etc.

And do you believe that intentionally killing random noncombatant kuffar on the streets of London (including women and children), is just as great, rewarding, and just as very, very MashaAllah “excellent” and EQUAL as killing a fully armed dirty kaafir Crusader soldier on the streets of Afghanistan, Sheeshan, Iraq, or in the Arabian Peninsula, etc.???????? This is what I don’t “get” or understand about these brothers and their ideology.

Do you see these two acts as the “same” with no “difference”? Do you say that brothers who are against the first act (the intentional killing of noncombat kuffar) are “munafiqoon” or somehow “pro-taghoot,” etc.?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@al-suyuufi (and others):</p>
<p>I agree 100% with you regarding the Madkhaliyoon, and that the extremist, pro-Taghoot, pro-palace “scholar,” anti-“J” Madkhaliyoon are indeed a very big fitnah to the ummah right now. But isn’t there a balance somewhere?</p>
<p>I mean at the same time, do you believe that it is halaal to intentionally target and slaughter ALL noncombatant kuffar everywhere in Western countries including intentionally killing women and children (as many of these AQ shuyookh preach and condone)???</p>
<p>For instance, Shaykh Yusuf al-&#8217;Uyayri (ra) said that Muslims should intentionally kill millions of “civilian” (his word not mine) Americans including women, children and senior citizens, etc.</p>
<p>And do you believe that intentionally killing random noncombatant kuffar on the streets of London (including women and children), is just as great, rewarding, and just as very, very MashaAllah “excellent” and EQUAL as killing a fully armed dirty kaafir Crusader soldier on the streets of Afghanistan, Sheeshan, Iraq, or in the Arabian Peninsula, etc.???????? This is what I don’t “get” or understand about these brothers and their ideology.</p>
<p>Do you see these two acts as the “same” with no “difference”? Do you say that brothers who are against the first act (the intentional killing of noncombat kuffar) are “munafiqoon” or somehow “pro-taghoot,” etc.?</p>
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		<title>By: waqas</title>
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		<dc:creator>waqas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 00:21:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The extremism that &quot;moderate&quot; muslims condemn is often a more accurate version of Islam. Moderates don&#039;t want to be associated with the extremists because they are deemed backwards in western society.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The extremism that &#8220;moderate&#8221; muslims condemn is often a more accurate version of Islam. Moderates don&#8217;t want to be associated with the extremists because they are deemed backwards in western society.</p>
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		<title>By: Abu Rummi</title>
		<link>http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2009/02/13/lets-be-real-extremist-muslims-are-growing-and-popular-so-are-they-really-extremist/comment-page-1/#comment-158237</link>
		<dc:creator>Abu Rummi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 22:53:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yusuf u wrote &quot;Imam Ghazali said, “Islam will be harmed when the ignorant stand to defend it.” 

My question is &quot;where the learned ones? &quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yusuf u wrote &#8220;Imam Ghazali said, “Islam will be harmed when the ignorant stand to defend it.” </p>
<p>My question is &#8220;where the learned ones? &#8220;</p>
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		<title>By: Yusuf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yusuf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 14:27:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.islamagainstextremism.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.islamagainstextremism.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.islamagainstextremism.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Yusuf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yusuf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 14:26:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shaykh Ibn Uthaymeen (rahimahullah) said:

Do not be fooled by those sayings of the foolish people, those who say &quot;Those people are Non-Muslims, so their wealth is lawful for us (to misappropriate or take by way of murder and killing).&quot; For by Allaah - this is a lie. A lie about Allaah&#039;s Religion, and a lie about Islamic societies.

So we may not say that it is lawful to be treacherous towards people whom we have an agreement with. 

O my brothers. O youth. O Muslims. Be truthful in your buying and selling, and renting, and leasing, and in all mutual transactions. Because truthfulness is from the characteristics of the Believers, and Allaah - the Most High - has commanded truthfulness - in the saying of Allaah - the Most High -</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shaykh Ibn Uthaymeen (rahimahullah) said:</p>
<p>Do not be fooled by those sayings of the foolish people, those who say &#8220;Those people are Non-Muslims, so their wealth is lawful for us (to misappropriate or take by way of murder and killing).&#8221; For by Allaah &#8211; this is a lie. A lie about Allaah&#8217;s Religion, and a lie about Islamic societies.</p>
<p>So we may not say that it is lawful to be treacherous towards people whom we have an agreement with. </p>
<p>O my brothers. O youth. O Muslims. Be truthful in your buying and selling, and renting, and leasing, and in all mutual transactions. Because truthfulness is from the characteristics of the Believers, and Allaah &#8211; the Most High &#8211; has commanded truthfulness &#8211; in the saying of Allaah &#8211; the Most High -</p>
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		<title>By: Yusuf</title>
		<link>http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2009/02/13/lets-be-real-extremist-muslims-are-growing-and-popular-so-are-they-really-extremist/comment-page-1/#comment-149669</link>
		<dc:creator>Yusuf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 23:00:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The following initiatives have been put forth by global Muslim opinions:

www.ammanmessage.com

www.acommonword.com

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cairo_Declaration_of_Human_Rights

These have been put forth as political guidance for Muslims during these times of fitnah. One must remain steadfast in seeking knowledge objectively, being sincere in that, and trying to remain upright and to achieve IHSAN in character.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The following initiatives have been put forth by global Muslim opinions:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ammanmessage.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.ammanmessage.com</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.acommonword.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.acommonword.com</a></p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cairo_Declaration_of_Human_Rights" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cairo_Declaration_of_Human_Rights</a></p>
<p>These have been put forth as political guidance for Muslims during these times of fitnah. One must remain steadfast in seeking knowledge objectively, being sincere in that, and trying to remain upright and to achieve IHSAN in character.</p>
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		<title>By: Yusuf</title>
		<link>http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2009/02/13/lets-be-real-extremist-muslims-are-growing-and-popular-so-are-they-really-extremist/comment-page-1/#comment-149336</link>
		<dc:creator>Yusuf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 16:49:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exposing Anwar Awlaki:

http://www.salafimanhaj.com/pdf/SalafiManhaj_Awlaki

http://www.nefafoundation.org/miscellaneous/FeaturedDocs/nefabackgrounder_alawlaki.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exposing Anwar Awlaki:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.salafimanhaj.com/pdf/SalafiManhaj_Awlaki" rel="nofollow">http://www.salafimanhaj.com/pdf/SalafiManhaj_Awlaki</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.nefafoundation.org/miscellaneous/FeaturedDocs/nefabackgrounder_alawlaki.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.nefafoundation.org/miscellaneous/FeaturedDocs/nefabackgrounder_alawlaki.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Yusuf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yusuf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 16:43:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I cannot believe the horrible discussion on this blog. Al-Qaeda and its pundits are murderous animals who selectively quote and twist verses of the Quran to fight their dirty war which they were going to fight anyway!

Al-Qaeda and Awlaki are destroying and defaming our religion every day, why aren&#039;t Muslims outraged?

Imam Ghazali said, &quot;Islam will be harmed when the ignorant stand to defend it.&quot; This statement completely characterizes Al-Qaeda and the Khawaarij in general. 

Any Muslim who thinks it is his divine right to kill non-Muslims and take their wealth &quot;by default&quot; is an arrogant, satanic fool who follows the ideas of pre-Islamic tribalism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I cannot believe the horrible discussion on this blog. Al-Qaeda and its pundits are murderous animals who selectively quote and twist verses of the Quran to fight their dirty war which they were going to fight anyway!</p>
<p>Al-Qaeda and Awlaki are destroying and defaming our religion every day, why aren&#8217;t Muslims outraged?</p>
<p>Imam Ghazali said, &#8220;Islam will be harmed when the ignorant stand to defend it.&#8221; This statement completely characterizes Al-Qaeda and the Khawaarij in general. </p>
<p>Any Muslim who thinks it is his divine right to kill non-Muslims and take their wealth &#8220;by default&#8221; is an arrogant, satanic fool who follows the ideas of pre-Islamic tribalism.</p>
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		<title>By: Yusuf</title>
		<link>http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2009/02/13/lets-be-real-extremist-muslims-are-growing-and-popular-so-are-they-really-extremist/comment-page-1/#comment-149333</link>
		<dc:creator>Yusuf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 16:31:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Salaam Aleikum,

Your article totally glosses over the well-documented crimes of extremist groups, in particular Al-Qaeda.

Anwar Awlaki is a shame to our Ummah. I dare you to listen to his private tele-links where he says what he really believes, things he wouldn&#039;t dare say in a published lecture.

Know that Awlaki is a takfeeri khariji because he has made takfeer on ALL Muslim governments including Saudi Arabia. It is these poisonous ideas which lead ignorant fools in Al-Qaeda and the Taliban to use children as suicide bombers and kill innocent civlians in the markets. 

Furthermore, Awlaki is a liar who distorts the Quran and Sunnah and HIDES EVIDENCE in the Sunnah which contradicts his positions. THe problem is our youth are so ignorant of Islam they are allured by Awlaki&#039;s apparent knowledge, when in fact, Awlaki is a FRAUD.

WAKE UP O MUSLIMS AND TAKE OUR RELIGION BACK FROM Al-QAEDA AND ITS WICKED PUNDITS LIKE AWLAKI.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Salaam Aleikum,</p>
<p>Your article totally glosses over the well-documented crimes of extremist groups, in particular Al-Qaeda.</p>
<p>Anwar Awlaki is a shame to our Ummah. I dare you to listen to his private tele-links where he says what he really believes, things he wouldn&#8217;t dare say in a published lecture.</p>
<p>Know that Awlaki is a takfeeri khariji because he has made takfeer on ALL Muslim governments including Saudi Arabia. It is these poisonous ideas which lead ignorant fools in Al-Qaeda and the Taliban to use children as suicide bombers and kill innocent civlians in the markets. </p>
<p>Furthermore, Awlaki is a liar who distorts the Quran and Sunnah and HIDES EVIDENCE in the Sunnah which contradicts his positions. THe problem is our youth are so ignorant of Islam they are allured by Awlaki&#8217;s apparent knowledge, when in fact, Awlaki is a FRAUD.</p>
<p>WAKE UP O MUSLIMS AND TAKE OUR RELIGION BACK FROM Al-QAEDA AND ITS WICKED PUNDITS LIKE AWLAKI.</p>
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		<title>By: Muslim bro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Muslim bro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 02:35:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Talib

As salaamu alaykum bro:

Yes, I&#039;ve read these words of Allah (swt), but if you bring up this ayah (60.08) these brothers will say (and I&#039;ve seen them say this verbatim to me as I&#039;ve made the exact argument you have made using this ayah), that because Allah (swt) doesn&#039;t forbid you from dealing justly and kindly with the kuffar not fighting you, etc., then this Ayah is ALSO saying that Allah (swt) is not saying it&#039;s fard or wajib to deal justly and kindly with the kuffar, ie, Allah (swt) is saying that while you can be just or kind to the kuffar in various situations, it is also perfectly halaal, and Islamically correct, etc., to slaughter these same kuffar, including women and children, and if Muslims deny this then they are denying what Allah (swt) has made halaal and haraam for the Muslims, including the blood and wealth of the kuffar. Maybe you are not too familiar with these “SJ” type brothers/sisters and the arguments they use :)

They also say, although I may have touched on this in an earlier post, that basically ALL of the kuffar today that live on this earth, are halaal to slaughter, including women, children and babies, PERIOD. ALL of them. (**as a reminder, these brothers are saying this NOT me**) They say that they are all “combatants” either because their governments supported in some way the kaafir/Crusader invasions and occupations of Afghanistan, or Iraq, either directly or indirectly, or if not, then they are allies of the crusading kaafir countries that did. (ie, if they themselves did NOT send actual troops to these countries, then they are allies or friends with countries that did) Also, they say that because of the fact that basically all of the Western kaafir countries have “democracies,” then that means that ALL of the kaafir citizens of these countries are then deemed as “combatants” (because the Western/kaafir governments supposedly &quot;represent&quot; all of it&#039;s citizens) just as much as the Crusader combatant soldier armed with an M-16 on the streets of occupied Iraq, Afghanistan or Chechnya, etc is a combatant. 

They see NO difference in the intentional killing of a noncombatant kaafir child on the streets of London, and the intentional killing of a fully armed, kaafir Crusader soldier on the Streets of Fallujah. 

What don&#039;t you understand brother in terms of what these brothers think and are saying?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Talib</p>
<p>As salaamu alaykum bro:</p>
<p>Yes, I&#8217;ve read these words of Allah (swt), but if you bring up this ayah (60.08) these brothers will say (and I&#8217;ve seen them say this verbatim to me as I&#8217;ve made the exact argument you have made using this ayah), that because Allah (swt) doesn&#8217;t forbid you from dealing justly and kindly with the kuffar not fighting you, etc., then this Ayah is ALSO saying that Allah (swt) is not saying it&#8217;s fard or wajib to deal justly and kindly with the kuffar, ie, Allah (swt) is saying that while you can be just or kind to the kuffar in various situations, it is also perfectly halaal, and Islamically correct, etc., to slaughter these same kuffar, including women and children, and if Muslims deny this then they are denying what Allah (swt) has made halaal and haraam for the Muslims, including the blood and wealth of the kuffar. Maybe you are not too familiar with these “SJ” type brothers/sisters and the arguments they use <img src='http://www.mujahideenryder.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>They also say, although I may have touched on this in an earlier post, that basically ALL of the kuffar today that live on this earth, are halaal to slaughter, including women, children and babies, PERIOD. ALL of them. (**as a reminder, these brothers are saying this NOT me**) They say that they are all “combatants” either because their governments supported in some way the kaafir/Crusader invasions and occupations of Afghanistan, or Iraq, either directly or indirectly, or if not, then they are allies of the crusading kaafir countries that did. (ie, if they themselves did NOT send actual troops to these countries, then they are allies or friends with countries that did) Also, they say that because of the fact that basically all of the Western kaafir countries have “democracies,” then that means that ALL of the kaafir citizens of these countries are then deemed as “combatants” (because the Western/kaafir governments supposedly &#8220;represent&#8221; all of it&#8217;s citizens) just as much as the Crusader combatant soldier armed with an M-16 on the streets of occupied Iraq, Afghanistan or Chechnya, etc is a combatant. </p>
<p>They see NO difference in the intentional killing of a noncombatant kaafir child on the streets of London, and the intentional killing of a fully armed, kaafir Crusader soldier on the Streets of Fallujah. </p>
<p>What don&#8217;t you understand brother in terms of what these brothers think and are saying?</p>
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