Comments on: The Muslims Need a Modern Day Treaty of Hudaibiyyah: Replace Quraysh with the American Government http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2009/03/09/the-muslims-need-a-modern-day-treaty-of-hudaibiyyah-replace-quraysh-with-the-american-government/ Not the average Muslim blog... Wed, 11 Jan 2012 23:20:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: sadiq Ibrahim bello http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2009/03/09/the-muslims-need-a-modern-day-treaty-of-hudaibiyyah-replace-quraysh-with-the-american-government/comment-page-1/#comment-170601 sadiq Ibrahim bello Fri, 11 Dec 2009 22:27:29 +0000 http://www.mujahideenryder.net/?p=2106#comment-170601 its reaally fantastic,muslim brothers should avoid using sentiments and follow the sunnah of the prophet s.a.w strictly. its reaally fantastic,muslim brothers should avoid using sentiments and follow the sunnah of the prophet s.a.w strictly.

]]> By: Mustafa http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2009/03/09/the-muslims-need-a-modern-day-treaty-of-hudaibiyyah-replace-quraysh-with-the-american-government/comment-page-1/#comment-164915 Mustafa Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:51:27 +0000 http://www.mujahideenryder.net/?p=2106#comment-164915 i used to like this blog... now i LOVE this blog... Great job brother. i used to like this blog… now i LOVE this blog… Great job brother.

]]> By: Ibn Abdul-Haqq http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2009/03/09/the-muslims-need-a-modern-day-treaty-of-hudaibiyyah-replace-quraysh-with-the-american-government/comment-page-1/#comment-141711 Ibn Abdul-Haqq Fri, 27 Mar 2009 00:42:45 +0000 http://www.mujahideenryder.net/?p=2106#comment-141711 Solution to the Palestinian issue chek the link below for the fatwa by Sheikh Ibn Baaz (may Allah have mercy on him) http://ahlalhadeeth.wordpress.com/2009/03/27/solution-to-the-palestinian-issue/ Solution to the Palestinian issue
chek the link below for the fatwa by Sheikh Ibn Baaz (may Allah have mercy on him)

http://ahlalhadeeth.wordpress.com/2009/03/27/solution-to-the-palestinian-issue/

]]> By: muslim brother http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2009/03/09/the-muslims-need-a-modern-day-treaty-of-hudaibiyyah-replace-quraysh-with-the-american-government/comment-page-1/#comment-139572 muslim brother Wed, 11 Mar 2009 05:13:29 +0000 http://www.mujahideenryder.net/?p=2106#comment-139572 assalamu'alaikum as the first few words of your post said "The Muslims have established Madinah as their home and the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) has started to establish the laws of Islam as revealed from Allah." i don't see how that would apply to muslims today who have not established anywhere as their home and implemented the laws of islam, which country should make this treaty? as islam isnt the ruling ideology in any place. in Makkah when Muhammad(saw) had not yet established an islamic society, he was concentrating on aqidah and dawah until a society (ie madinah) accepted islam to be implemented, then the rules came in and were applied. we need muslims to return back to islam fully before things like this can happen. when the muslims at this time with no islamic society were being persecuted they made hijra to abyssinia, (ie where they were safe to hold their beliefs). assalamu’alaikum

as the first few words of your post said

“The Muslims have established Madinah as their home and the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) has started to establish the laws of Islam as revealed from Allah.”

i don’t see how that would apply to muslims today who have not established anywhere as their home and implemented the laws of islam, which country should make this treaty? as islam isnt the ruling ideology in any place.
in Makkah when Muhammad(saw) had not yet established an islamic society, he was concentrating on aqidah and dawah until a society (ie madinah) accepted islam to be implemented, then the rules came in and were applied. we need muslims to return back to islam fully before things like this can happen.
when the muslims at this time with no islamic society were being persecuted they made hijra to abyssinia, (ie where they were safe to hold their beliefs).

]]> By: Zecchetti http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2009/03/09/the-muslims-need-a-modern-day-treaty-of-hudaibiyyah-replace-quraysh-with-the-american-government/comment-page-1/#comment-139525 Zecchetti Tue, 10 Mar 2009 22:40:24 +0000 http://www.mujahideenryder.net/?p=2106#comment-139525 @ Suyuufi, sorry bro, not sure what you're asking. I was just replying to MR's comment above. @ Suyuufi,

sorry bro, not sure what you’re asking. I was just replying to MR’s comment above.

]]> By: Zecchetti http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2009/03/09/the-muslims-need-a-modern-day-treaty-of-hudaibiyyah-replace-quraysh-with-the-american-government/comment-page-1/#comment-139523 Zecchetti Tue, 10 Mar 2009 22:35:57 +0000 http://www.mujahideenryder.net/?p=2106#comment-139523 Sorry, my last comment was address to MR Sorry, my last comment was address to MR

]]> By: Zecchetti http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2009/03/09/the-muslims-need-a-modern-day-treaty-of-hudaibiyyah-replace-quraysh-with-the-american-government/comment-page-1/#comment-139521 Zecchetti Tue, 10 Mar 2009 22:28:25 +0000 http://www.mujahideenryder.net/?p=2106#comment-139521 @ But then why were the Makkans fighting the Medinans? It's because Madinah was on the way to Syria from Makkah, and so the Muslims were a threat to the trade routes of Makkah to Syria. So in reality, the Medinan economy was doing well and the Makkans were suffering, and that's one of the key reasons they went to war on Madinah. @ But then why were the Makkans fighting the Medinans? It’s because Madinah was on the way to Syria from Makkah, and so the Muslims were a threat to the trade routes of Makkah to Syria. So in reality, the Medinan economy was doing well and the Makkans were suffering, and that’s one of the key reasons they went to war on Madinah.

]]> By: MR http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2009/03/09/the-muslims-need-a-modern-day-treaty-of-hudaibiyyah-replace-quraysh-with-the-american-government/comment-page-1/#comment-139516 MR Tue, 10 Mar 2009 22:20:56 +0000 http://www.mujahideenryder.net/?p=2106#comment-139516 @Zecchetti - They won the battles, but they were still losing the war. The economic state of Madinah was worse then that of Makkah. Makkah was a city compared to Madinah which was a small town. @Zecchetti – They won the battles, but they were still losing the war. The economic state of Madinah was worse then that of Makkah. Makkah was a city compared to Madinah which was a small town.

]]> By: Zecchetti http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2009/03/09/the-muslims-need-a-modern-day-treaty-of-hudaibiyyah-replace-quraysh-with-the-american-government/comment-page-1/#comment-139515 Zecchetti Tue, 10 Mar 2009 22:17:59 +0000 http://www.mujahideenryder.net/?p=2106#comment-139515 @MR I see the point you are making, but, I'll have to disagree slightly that the Muslims were weak before hudaibiyyah. They were strong enough to beat the Quraish not once, not twice, but thrice with not a single defeat. I think we (that includes me) need to learn about the reasons and benefits of hudaybiyyah more closely. @MR

I see the point you are making, but, I’ll have to disagree slightly that the Muslims were weak before hudaibiyyah. They were strong enough to beat the Quraish not once, not twice, but thrice with not a single defeat. I think we (that includes me) need to learn about the reasons and benefits of hudaybiyyah more closely.

]]> By: MR http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2009/03/09/the-muslims-need-a-modern-day-treaty-of-hudaibiyyah-replace-quraysh-with-the-american-government/comment-page-1/#comment-139514 MR Tue, 10 Mar 2009 22:11:35 +0000 http://www.mujahideenryder.net/?p=2106#comment-139514 @al-Suyuufi - The Treaty of Hudaibiyyah isn't really for the Muslims living in non-Muslim lands. I meant it more towards the Muslim world and it's leaders and all those groups who are currently defending their homes. You are correct that after the Treaty, Abu Bakr, Omar, Uthman and Ali did not engage in this type, because the Muslims already were in power and control. They were stronger. Before the Treaty of Hudaibiyyah, the Muslims were weak. This treaty made the Muslims stronger. We need a treaty to make us stronger, because we are weak. It is clear we are weak because of our own actions and our own neglect of the way of the Prophet (peace be upon him). @al-Suyuufi – The Treaty of Hudaibiyyah isn’t really for the Muslims living in non-Muslim lands. I meant it more towards the Muslim world and it’s leaders and all those groups who are currently defending their homes.

You are correct that after the Treaty, Abu Bakr, Omar, Uthman and Ali did not engage in this type, because the Muslims already were in power and control. They were stronger. Before the Treaty of Hudaibiyyah, the Muslims were weak. This treaty made the Muslims stronger. We need a treaty to make us stronger, because we are weak. It is clear we are weak because of our own actions and our own neglect of the way of the Prophet (peace be upon him).

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