The End - 2000 to 2009
Looks like the construction is not just limited to Makkah. This is a proposal for a new Madinah.
None of the current buildings are taller than the minarets in Madina. If this does go ahead they will be contradicting the rule (from what I was told whilst in Madina by the tour operator) where no building can ever go above the minarets as a mark of respect. Allahu alam
this is totally wrong see the outer parts of the plan look from above it looks like an eye and who will have a one eye? exactly the dajjal. Dont agree with the opinion well this is my fact the new renovation in makkah has the same idea. If you have seen the clip from the new makkah plan they are planning to move thet urkish-ottoman heritage all the way to the back of the masjid ul haram. just like alll the heritage place that have been destroyed. this is not right.
I’m hardly one to argue against commercialism as the results are more mixed than most critics ever mention but its amazing how commercial its all getting to be. I don’t think it will take away from the beauty but it does disconnect us from arabia as it once was further and further. Reminds me of the movie Down in the Valley. The texas of the old westerns doesn’t exist any more and as Muhammad Asad and the American Arabists of old would say, there is something significant lost thereby inspite of the myriad of gains.
how in the world are they going to do all the construction while people are there for Hajj and Umrah? this will obviously take more than a year.
The plans look quite grand, now let’s see if we can bring the society itself into conformity with modernity and allow our sisters there to drive themselves on all these shiny new roads.
I think the new design liooks beautiful. Much better than the makkah design.
AnonyMuslim…you make me laugh, I agree though
The whole world is in/entering a depression – and they’re going to build a city? Aren’t there hungry kids the roam the streets of the Haramayn as it is…
Good point Kamal.
I’m all for progression and expansion, but seeing the Masjid of the Prophet (saw) surrounded by such tall skyscraper look a like buildings which are the epitomy of modernization and dunya just bother me. I pray that Allah allows this project to take place if it in in the better interest of the Muslim ummah, and to turn it away from our minds if it is not in that interest.
stranger… did the Prophet ever say his Masjid must be the tallest structure?… I think not, please come to the realization that you are attached to the Masjid’s structure, which was at one point, by your definition, the “epitomy of modernization and dunya”…
After all the Prophet’s (saw) Masjid is also a part of this dunya.
We do not pay respect to the Prophet by admiring his Masjid.
may be they believe in trickle down economics…lmao…actually its not funny…the arab countries used to have very robust and active safety nets for the people in the worst condition but they’ve moved away from that. It definately is odd that someone would have billions of dollars to spend while the population isn’t well taken care of.
Dear “so what”,
May Allah forgive you for trying to treat the Sacred masjid of our beloved Prophet sall Allahu ‘alaihi wa sallam as if it was just like anything else in this world. Our beloved sallAllahu ‘alaihi wa sallam walked in that masjid. He spoke there, he lived there. And he is now buried there! Sall Allahu ‘alaih. That place is worth WAY more than just any other part of the dunya. What you just said, was as if you wouldn’t mind if someone just came and wanted to knock the structure over cuz its “just a masjid”. Naaoodhubillah, may Allah save us!
The three places we are encouraged to go and visit are the Haram, the Prophet’s Mosque, and Masjid al Aqsa. If Allah swt has honored these places, who are we to try and make them seem so ordinary?
And it’s very obvious why the Prophet saws wouldn’t tell people not to build things higher than his masjid! He was the most humble of men EVER to walk this earth sallAllahu ‘alaihi wa aalihi wa sallam.
But would his companions remain seated if he walked in a room (unless he forbade them from standing)? Would they walk in front of him (unless he asked them to)? Would they stand before he stood? Would they interrupt him? Or did they have perfect adab with him sallAllahu ‘alaihi wa sallam… THIS is why we shouldn’t build anything higher that the masjid. Out of Love and respect and admiration for the Messenger of Allah sallAllahu ‘alaihi wa sallam who spent his life concerned with only pleasing Allah swt and worrying about his ummah.
It’s not about the structure”so what”, it’s the meaning behind the structure that I think we have a right to love. It’s where the most Beloved of Allah, worshipped Allah.
One of the seven people who will be shaded by Allah swt on the day where there will be no shade but His is the one whose heart is attached to the mosque.
May Allah forgive me if I’ve said anything wrong and for my bad adab–if your email address was here i’d have just emailed you. And if there’s any hikma in what I said it’s only from Allah. Otherwise, it’s all from me.
Ameen to your du’aa ya stranger. And may Allah make us all strangers Ameen.
building of skyscrapers- rings a bell?
anonymuslim- “now let’s see if we can bring the society itself into conformity with modernity and allow our sisters there to drive themselves on all these shiny new roads.”
pls dont judge a society by the standards of your own society.
sowhat: you are right, we do not and should not pay respect to the Prophet (saw) by admiring his Masjid, but by through our actions and our following of his sunnah. I am not “attached to the Masjid’s structure”, I don’t know why you would make that assumption. You could say however, that I am attached to the masjid, I wouldn’t care if it’s one room like in the time of Nabi (saw) or the grandest masjid on earth, the Prophet’s Mosque is still the Prophet’s Mosque. However when the issue arises of when the focus on doing ibaada in the masjid shifts to focus on shopping, touring etc etc, this is what bothers me. My post may have seemed a little judgmental, however I’m speaking from experience after recently completing umrah. There’s nothing wrong with shopping and buying things in Madinah, but if some of those buildings in the project plan are going to be added malls, then there is a fear that the focus will be shifted from worshipping at the mosque to the highlights of the city. Not a complete shift obviously, that would never happen inshallah, but I question anything that even promotes a centimeter of a shift in that direction.
Like I said before, if it’s in the best interest of the ummah, then may Allah allow us to see it through inshallah. If not, then may we come up with something better.
sowhat: you are right, we do not and should not pay respect to the Prophet (saw) by admiring his Masjid, but by through our actions and our following of his sunnah. I am not “attached to the Masjid’s structure”, I don’t know why you would make that assumption. You could say however, that I am attached to the masjid, I wouldn’t care if it’s one room like in the time of Nabi (saw) or the grandest masjid on earth, the Prophet’s Mosque is still the Prophet’s Mosque. And I don’t know if the Prophet (saw) ever said that no structure should be made taller than his mosque, it would be interesting to look that up inshallah, but regardless the tall buildings don’t bother me for that reason anyway, so mentioning that is futile here.
However when the issue arises of when the focus on doing ibaada in the masjid shifts to focus on shopping, touring etc etc, this is what bothers me. My post may have seemed out of context, however I’m speaking from experience after recently completing umrah. There’s nothing wrong with shopping and buying things in Madinah, but if some of those buildings in the project plan are going to be added malls, then there is a fear that the focus will be shifted from worshipping at the mosque to the highlights of the city. Not a complete shift obviously, that would never happen inshallah, but I question anything that even promotes a centimeter of a shift in that direction.
Like I said before, if it’s in the best interest of the ummah, then may Allah allow us to see it through inshallah. If not, then may we come up with something better.
Edit: sorry please delete my second post.
Don’t misunderstand me but I tend to think of it as St. Peters Cathedral in the middle of New York City. The comparison is flawed for many reasons but still noteworthy. The cathedral doesnt lose vaue becuase its not in a more pristine surrounding but the surroundings do effect it nonetheless. Environments are influencial, everyone knows this. I believe St. Peters is still aesthetic but it comes across as part of the beauty of the city and just another reflection its metropolitan beauty even if it does hint at its historicity. What more pristine surroundings do, is give the allure of something otherwordly. It gives us more of a connection to the past, to the time of the prophets and the israelites, of Moses, Jesus and Muhammad, peace be upon them all.
In all due honesty, our needs don’t outweigh those of the population and if they want to become a commercial metropolitan center then I honestly believe they will establish one. However, this doesn’t mean there is anything to worry about. Right now there is an upsurge in commericialism and consumerism and development but that doesnt mean that that is our collective future as the human race. There have been times of capital deterioration (as in right now) and material decline in human history. Its not impossible that we, humans, will someday live like w did in times past though thats not necessarily desirable.
The most important thing is to live our lives honestly, correctly and with enlightened pleasure because all too soon it will all be over, commercial centers or no commercial centers, tall buildings or no tall buildings. Whether we see the end of times or not, our individual time line will soon be at an end.
I will insha’Allah make dua that this monstrosity never comes to fruition.
you kids….. 🙂
It’s just another sign of the Saudis love for the dunya
concerned: dont we all?
Oh, you got owned Mr. Concerned! By a Muslimah!
@ Muhammad Khan: Your du’aas are being wasted. Get real. There are so many other things to make du’aa for.
BTW, this project may not come to reality in our life times. Living in Saudi Arabia, I know how slow things can go since everything is left for tommorrow. Hey, that rhymed very well. Five ‘ow’s in one sentence! Now that’s talent, no?
There’s no such thing as a waste of du’aas.
Allah swt is All Powerful and does what He wills. He can make the unimaginable happen, keep making du’a brothers and sisters!
my love for the dunya is different from your love for the dunya …lmao
sort of like president nixons stance on breaking the law ” when the president does it, its not illegal.” Ultimately this is a mixed issue and should be treated as such. The people of Medina should have the most to say on this. Our need for a pristine spiritual center to travel to may be once or twice in a lifetime isn’t equal to the needs of the local populance. And its obvious, consumerism is apt to destroy itself.
more here: http://traditionalrebel.wordpress.com/category/architecture/
In a weird way, it kind of reminds me of NYC …
Signs of Day of Judgement:
#17) Construciton of Tall Buildings
Among the signs of the Hour mentioned by the Noble Messenger of Allah – Allah bless and greet him and his Family and Companions – in Sahih al-Bukhari is “when the destitute (al-buhm) camel herds compete in building tall structures.” Another version in al-Bukhari has: “when the barefoot and the naked are the top leaders (lit. “heads”) of the people.” In Sahih Muslim: “you shall see the barefoot, naked, indigent (al-`âla) shepherds compete in building tall structures.” Another version in Muslim states: “when the naked and barefoot are the top leaders of the people.” A third version in Muslim has: “when you see that the barefoot and naked, the deaf and dumb are the kings of the earth.”
People who were poor and suddently became rich, and began competeting in tall buildings
Evidence in Gulf, b/c oil boom, competing in tall buildings.
Sign of People of ‘Ad; they would built monuments on top of mountains.
Sign of Day of Judgement:
#59) Al-Madina expelling the evilo
Hadith: A time will come when a man would call his cousin and his relative ‘come to the luxurious life, come to the luxurious life.’ Madina is better for them if they know. In the name of Allah, anyone who leaves Madina and gives it up, Allah will replace them with somones better. Madina is like a furnace, that expels the evils. Madina will expel evil
Hadith refers to people who would leave Madina and call relatives to come to their place.
Qayah said it is specific for time to Rasulallah (SAW)
Imam Nawwawi said it referring to time of Dajjal
Evidence: Hadith: Ad Dajal would come close to Dajjal to Madina. Madina would shake 3 times and expel every Munafiq and Kafir.
Ibn Hajar said it applies to both time of Rasulullah (SAW) and Dajjal
Towards end of time, after Dajjal and Mahdi, Isa , Madina will be deserted
Hadith: They would leave Madina in its best condition, and beasts and wild animals would come in. Then 2 shepherds from Muzaynah would go to Medina with their sheep and they would find it empty and when they reached to Saniya tha Wadua they would die.
Hadith: Al Madinah would be left and deserted in its best condition so a dog or wolf would come in and urinate next to the pillars of the Masjid or on the mimbar. Sahabah said, “Who would harvest the crop?” He (SAW) said it would be left for the animals.
It will be deserted for 40 years, because no one is worshipping there.
End of times prophecy? Dont know what to say to that. The stuff about indigents and competition over building tall edifices….during the cold war you know who was considered led by the indigent? Thats right. The commies. Who was competing over building tall structures amongst other things. Thats right. The U.S. and the USSR.
Prophecies are sometimes vague. This opens up the doors to interpretation and people typically interpret them to mean that in their own times the end of days are here or beginning to appear.
Lets just say that millions of people have thought that they lived in the end of days but they were wrong. What makes you so sure you are right today?
I do not think im right, These two signs just so happend to relate to Al-Madinah, and so did this post. So we can learn more about the past, present, and future of Al-Madinah according to our Beloved Prophet (peace be upon him).
Also, when the you referred to the Cold War buidling etc, this is irrelevant, because the Minor/Major Signs of the Day of Judgement were told to us by the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) that they will refer to Muslims. Not non-Muslims. Keep that in Mind.
Ahmed, my bad. I’m sure you’re right about that. I think though that these things ie prophecy get bent all the time. Its not just a Muslim issue. I remember when I was a kid, Christians used to talk about the southern beast and the northern beast or something like that. And they made that into the ussr and the us. There was alot of that imagery. And then I learned about how much Jehovas witnesses love to interprest Revelations in terms of contemporary events.
I never understood the point of end of days prophecies besides as reminders regarding the transient nature of life and as a way to support the supremacy of morality over materialism. Sure the world will not go on forever, everything around is finite which makes it really insane to believe otherwise.
I just never understand the emphasis that is given to the end of days. It almost seems a bit like a distraction. Its a bit like the 50 feet strawberries and the 200 pound grapes of paradise. It’s good to know but I think it somehow doesn’t capture or conjure up anything so significant in the long run. Isn’t what matters, what happens now, what needs to be done now, what is going on here, what is in front of you. There is a relationship between past present and future but even so the present is.
well since the earth quakes will kick all the hypocrites and kaafirs out of medina so i guess these buildings will also crumble…
but 40 years and no one will be in Medina ;“`-( that’s a really sad hadith
looking at al the aashiqeene rasool out there..i don’t think that is going to be any time soon…
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It’s nice to see the Saudi pigs wasting their money on this instead of helping the Ummah’s downtrodden.
These pics are old i saw this yr and half ago i dont understand why people are getting all hyped up about it Everything happens by the will of Allah swt be it good or bad. i doubt they will build this anyways hope not!
Abdul Aziz i found your comment distasteful ” saudi pigs” How would you like if i called you a Paki pig or Ethiopian pig or even American pig ? don’t tarnish Saudis because of the few ppl in the governments actions. Why would you Call a muslim person a filthy animal as described by the prophet saw ? say something good or remain silent.
This is one of the signs of the last hour…. see the hadeeth of jibril, in Sahih Muslim
“……… and that you will see barefooted, naked destitute shepherds competing in constructing lofty buildings.”
A Shaykh gave an explanation of this Hadeeth by saying:
“We only have to look to the Arabian Peninsula to see how people who were desert bedouins only a few decades ago are now literally competing with one another in constructing lofty sky scrapers. ”
“And there are some ahaadeeth from the Messenger sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam indicating that constructing tall buildings is hated, if there is no genuine need for doing so. “
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