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		<title>By: ibn Khalid</title>
		<link>http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2009/04/01/life-coaching-is-like-a-sufi-tariqa/comment-page-2/#comment-167345</link>
		<dc:creator>ibn Khalid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 23:57:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>interesting comments. wow some people are funny.</description>
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		<title>By: Abdul Malik</title>
		<link>http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2009/04/01/life-coaching-is-like-a-sufi-tariqa/comment-page-2/#comment-144887</link>
		<dc:creator>Abdul Malik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 07:50:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are very sensible comments posted here and some very irrational ones. I am not familiar with the organizations being blasted here, but I am planning to setup my own life-coaching business in the near future. I have worked in mental health for 11 yrs and presently provide in-Home services to those classified as severely mentally ill. Even though I work for a non-profit organization, the cost of such services is staggering.  Fortunately, for most clients, the money is paid by taxpayers and insurance rather than the clients directly - most of whom are receiving social security benefits. I am very successful in helping my clients to recover; my approach is essentially life coaching, though I can legally provide, counseling, case management, and med supervision. I spent over 20 hrs last week assisting clients in their daily living skills - both verbally and physically; I provided very crisis counseling to a suicidal client.  I have Christian, Atheist, Jewish, and clients of other belief systems. I have also worked with Muslims who were in the mental health system, as well. I see many Muslims in the mental health system that needs guidance but also crisis intervention to help them get their lives back on track. Though I will have a degree in Behavioral Health/Psychology in less than a yr, my conceptual framework is holistic, and I intend to offer Holistic Life -Coaching and Positive Psychology services to the public.
I also intend to be a referral source and I will utilize the services of qualified Imams, Shaykhs and Muslim physicians, in cases where their expertise is appropriate. 

All professional services cost money, as they require time and investment of the service providers. I worked 65 hrs last week, including assignments with in-home, community housing, and long-term residential clients. It cost me time, energy, money, and wear and tear on my vehicle. Many of the comments posted here are very unfair and uninformed. Perhaps, it was a mistake to compare life coaching to Tariqah. I have found that most Imams and Shaykh offer counseling to believers when they experience crisis. Life Coaching is not counseling, per se.  Rarely do the Imams and Shaykhs do the kind of systematic work that a trained Life-Coach does; I do not believe that most know how. Life-coaching is not quoting books and telling a person what they should or must do; it is objective and non-judgmental; sometimes I have to make non-Muslims feel comfortable with working with me, by alleviating their fears about Muslims in general and that I will not really help them because of their religion. For my In-Home clients, I am given access into the most private part of their homes and their lives.

Life Coaching is work - professional work! I do not know of any profession where one is expected to work full-time without compensation. Many Muslim organizations even charge for dawah pamphlets and classes. I know Arabic teachers who charge for their services; should they teach free.  There is a difference in the quality of services or instructions offered at no cost and those that require investment by the recipient. Of course, some services have to be free because there are those who cannot afford them. I often pick up free food boxes for some of my clients; there is noticeable difference in the quality of that food and that of the food offered in grocery stores at regular prices. 

In my conclusion, I say, if a person simply needs dawah, give it to him or her for no charge or refer them to someone who will. Stop comparing professions to Islam. I am cognizant, as I am sure that you are, of the reality that true spirituality is holistic and an approach cannot be called holistic if it divorces itself from spirituality. True spirituality is, in fact, Islam.  Please, brother and sister coaches, do not take advantage of believers for the sake of dunya -tokens. To all: do not make things haram that Allah has not forbidden, including foods, clothing, past-times, and professions....  Do not try to make yourself an authority in a field in which you do not have adequate knowledge.

Allah Hafiz!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are very sensible comments posted here and some very irrational ones. I am not familiar with the organizations being blasted here, but I am planning to setup my own life-coaching business in the near future. I have worked in mental health for 11 yrs and presently provide in-Home services to those classified as severely mentally ill. Even though I work for a non-profit organization, the cost of such services is staggering.  Fortunately, for most clients, the money is paid by taxpayers and insurance rather than the clients directly &#8211; most of whom are receiving social security benefits. I am very successful in helping my clients to recover; my approach is essentially life coaching, though I can legally provide, counseling, case management, and med supervision. I spent over 20 hrs last week assisting clients in their daily living skills &#8211; both verbally and physically; I provided very crisis counseling to a suicidal client.  I have Christian, Atheist, Jewish, and clients of other belief systems. I have also worked with Muslims who were in the mental health system, as well. I see many Muslims in the mental health system that needs guidance but also crisis intervention to help them get their lives back on track. Though I will have a degree in Behavioral Health/Psychology in less than a yr, my conceptual framework is holistic, and I intend to offer Holistic Life -Coaching and Positive Psychology services to the public.<br />
I also intend to be a referral source and I will utilize the services of qualified Imams, Shaykhs and Muslim physicians, in cases where their expertise is appropriate. </p>
<p>All professional services cost money, as they require time and investment of the service providers. I worked 65 hrs last week, including assignments with in-home, community housing, and long-term residential clients. It cost me time, energy, money, and wear and tear on my vehicle. Many of the comments posted here are very unfair and uninformed. Perhaps, it was a mistake to compare life coaching to Tariqah. I have found that most Imams and Shaykh offer counseling to believers when they experience crisis. Life Coaching is not counseling, per se.  Rarely do the Imams and Shaykhs do the kind of systematic work that a trained Life-Coach does; I do not believe that most know how. Life-coaching is not quoting books and telling a person what they should or must do; it is objective and non-judgmental; sometimes I have to make non-Muslims feel comfortable with working with me, by alleviating their fears about Muslims in general and that I will not really help them because of their religion. For my In-Home clients, I am given access into the most private part of their homes and their lives.</p>
<p>Life Coaching is work &#8211; professional work! I do not know of any profession where one is expected to work full-time without compensation. Many Muslim organizations even charge for dawah pamphlets and classes. I know Arabic teachers who charge for their services; should they teach free.  There is a difference in the quality of services or instructions offered at no cost and those that require investment by the recipient. Of course, some services have to be free because there are those who cannot afford them. I often pick up free food boxes for some of my clients; there is noticeable difference in the quality of that food and that of the food offered in grocery stores at regular prices. </p>
<p>In my conclusion, I say, if a person simply needs dawah, give it to him or her for no charge or refer them to someone who will. Stop comparing professions to Islam. I am cognizant, as I am sure that you are, of the reality that true spirituality is holistic and an approach cannot be called holistic if it divorces itself from spirituality. True spirituality is, in fact, Islam.  Please, brother and sister coaches, do not take advantage of believers for the sake of dunya -tokens. To all: do not make things haram that Allah has not forbidden, including foods, clothing, past-times, and professions&#8230;.  Do not try to make yourself an authority in a field in which you do not have adequate knowledge.</p>
<p>Allah Hafiz!</p>
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		<title>By: ExEx Blogger</title>
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		<dc:creator>ExEx Blogger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 05:27:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is by far the most twisted comparison based on that jumbled pile of spaghetti aqeedah in your head.  No!  Don&#039;t try to match the different noddles together and say it starts from here and end there.  No...  seriously.  Stick to your bhangras and chanting but don&#039;t try to compare because you&#039;ll sound like an infomercial sales man pitching the differences and similarities to stupid buyers like us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is by far the most twisted comparison based on that jumbled pile of spaghetti aqeedah in your head.  No!  Don&#8217;t try to match the different noddles together and say it starts from here and end there.  No&#8230;  seriously.  Stick to your bhangras and chanting but don&#8217;t try to compare because you&#8217;ll sound like an infomercial sales man pitching the differences and similarities to stupid buyers like us.</p>
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		<title>By: Nihal Khan</title>
		<link>http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2009/04/01/life-coaching-is-like-a-sufi-tariqa/comment-page-2/#comment-143079</link>
		<dc:creator>Nihal Khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 03:09:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DiscoverULife is an organization just as AlMaghrib, Zaytuna, and SunniPath are. Would it be right to critizise these institutes because they charge money? Society has changed. If an organization doesn&#039;t get money than how does it plan to run?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DiscoverULife is an organization just as AlMaghrib, Zaytuna, and SunniPath are. Would it be right to critizise these institutes because they charge money? Society has changed. If an organization doesn&#8217;t get money than how does it plan to run?</p>
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		<title>By: Usman Akhtar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Usman Akhtar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 17:24:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Salam

If you&#039;ve actually took the time to read any of my previous comments then you wouldn&#039;t be so quick to comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Salam</p>
<p>If you&#8217;ve actually took the time to read any of my previous comments then you wouldn&#8217;t be so quick to comment.</p>
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		<title>By: AlBaraa</title>
		<link>http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2009/04/01/life-coaching-is-like-a-sufi-tariqa/comment-page-2/#comment-142882</link>
		<dc:creator>AlBaraa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 15:29:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s another discussion on the merits of &quot;life-coaching&quot;, whether its &quot;advice&quot; or not, and more is being discussed here. Check it out:
http://muslimbestlife.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=5&amp;pid=24</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s another discussion on the merits of &#8220;life-coaching&#8221;, whether its &#8220;advice&#8221; or not, and more is being discussed here. Check it out:<br />
<a href="http://muslimbestlife.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=5&#038;pid=24" rel="nofollow">http://muslimbestlife.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=5&#038;pid=24</a></p>
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		<title>By: free it isnt</title>
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		<dc:creator>free it isnt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 14:05:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Salam

No.

@Nihal Khan

No.  

I hope you don&#039;t think that means that if the Prophet (SAW) could drive he would have been charging money for advice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Salam</p>
<p>No.</p>
<p>@Nihal Khan</p>
<p>No.  </p>
<p>I hope you don&#8217;t think that means that if the Prophet (SAW) could drive he would have been charging money for advice.</p>
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		<title>By: Nahyan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nahyan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 04:03:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>man, muslims really like to fight things out. 

It was an interesting article, i &quot;get&quot; the analogy. 
However, some of the comments about coaching are baseless.

don&#039;t get offended by it because nobody wants to offend you, and make dua that those who like it benefit from it. 

interesting discussion nonetheless, 
Nahyan

ps. I am a DiscoveU LifeCoach so that makes me a bit biased i guess :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>man, muslims really like to fight things out. </p>
<p>It was an interesting article, i &#8220;get&#8221; the analogy.<br />
However, some of the comments about coaching are baseless.</p>
<p>don&#8217;t get offended by it because nobody wants to offend you, and make dua that those who like it benefit from it. </p>
<p>interesting discussion nonetheless,<br />
Nahyan</p>
<p>ps. I am a DiscoveU LifeCoach so that makes me a bit biased i guess <img src='http://www.mujahideenryder.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Nihal Khan</title>
		<link>http://www.mujahideenryder.net/2009/04/01/life-coaching-is-like-a-sufi-tariqa/comment-page-2/#comment-142843</link>
		<dc:creator>Nihal Khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 02:37:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Salam,

Did the Prophet (SAW)&#039;s drive cars?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Salam,</p>
<p>Did the Prophet (SAW)&#8217;s drive cars?</p>
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		<title>By: Salam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Salam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 19:50:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Usman

Did the Prophet (peace be upon him) charge money for his advice?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Usman</p>
<p>Did the Prophet (peace be upon him) charge money for his advice?</p>
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