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Obama: Please get new advisors and experts on Islam and Muslims

The US president began his visit to Turkey on Monday morning by laying a wreath at the tomb of the founder of modern Turkish state, Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, whose “vision and courage” he praised.

Mustafa Kemal Ataturk is not a hero amongst the Muslim world. The majority of Muslims do not like him and what he did.
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Edit: For those who say Obama was complying with the Turkish law, look at what he said in his speech:

This morning I had the privilege of visiting the tomb of the great founder of your Republic. I was deeply impressed by this beautiful memorial to a man who did so much to shape the course of history. But it is also clear that the greatest monument to Ataturk’s life is not something that can be cast in stone and marble. His greatest legacy is Turkey’s strong and secular democracy, and that is the work that this assembly carries on today.

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He didn’t need to mention it if he was just going to visit the the grave in order to comply with the law. Let’s be real, Obama will never want an Islamic state to arise anywhere. I still appreciate Obama’s plan of action in America. It’s just the foreign relations with the Muslim world has me very critical of his words and actions.


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    1. Ahmed April 8th, 2009 at 1:15 pm

      No one is saying Ataturk is a Muslim hero. Obama was honouring him because he wants to see the rest of the Muslim world follow in his footsteps, not because Muslims “like him and what he did”. And despite our dislike of Ataturk’s actions, you have to concede that he laid the foundation for the success of modern day Turkey.

    2. BostonMuslim April 8th, 2009 at 1:46 pm

      Well, he is a hero to Turkish people and Obama was in Turkey —-

    3. Adil April 8th, 2009 at 2:32 pm

      Bismillah,

      He is NOT a hero to the Turkish people, just the secular Turks. You will find many of the practicing Turks to consider him a major fitna, with some even labeling him to be one of the lesser dajjals that came to destroy Islam.

    4. Arslan April 8th, 2009 at 3:55 pm

      Funny..not too long ago, I was reading about how the Turkish elite have all politicians do just that.

    5. Abu Yusuf April 8th, 2009 at 4:27 pm

      Mustafa Kemal Ataturk abolished the Ottoman Khilafah in 1924 once he became president. In doing so he ended the rule of Islam. Hero he certainly is not and I’m pretty sure Obama and his advisors knew this.

      Visiting his grave is a slap in the face to the Muslims. Obama Muslims when will you wake up?

    6. Abdullah April 8th, 2009 at 4:28 pm

      Ataturk was a criminal. When I see Turks who love and admire him I want to slap some sense into them.

    7. isa April 8th, 2009 at 4:47 pm

      sorry i dont know much, what did this mustafa Kamal Ataturk do that went against Islam?

    8. dawud April 8th, 2009 at 5:05 pm

      actually, this is a formal requirement of state visits to Turkey and implies nothing about Obama’s feelings about Ataturk; the English Queen and everyone else who has visited Turkey in the past has done the same. Obama deserves neither credit nor blame for that action – look to what he actually does as a reflection & implementation of his rhetoric…

    9. Mohammed Khan April 8th, 2009 at 7:01 pm

      Western leaders have great empathy for Ataturk for creating a secular state, which is what the western world, especially America would like to see everywhere.

      In laying the wreath Obama was not admiring a Muslim figure, he was admiring a secular western(ised) leader.

      If you don’t mind me saying, there is no point to your post. He wasn’t sending a message to the Muslim world (That’s what he’s speech to parliament was for) He was just following state protocol as mentioned by Dawud.

    10. Arslan April 8th, 2009 at 8:59 pm

      I don’t know if your edit was in response to my post as well, but what I meant was that the Turkish elite expect people to visit his grave and show their respects. It’s not a law or anything, as far as I know, but it’s something they expect you to do.

    11. MR April 8th, 2009 at 9:11 pm

      @Arslan – Nah it wasn’t to you it was the other comments that said it was a law.

    12. Asim April 8th, 2009 at 9:12 pm

      As secular as he was, and as much as he tried to remove Islam, Attaturk revitalized and revolutionized Turkey economically from a bankrupt state under the Ottoman empires. I don’t really like Attaturk but he did a lot of good for the Turkish economy.

    13. BostonMuslim April 8th, 2009 at 9:30 pm

      And why should Obama want an Islamic state. To me Turkey – the secular state, is doing just fine compared to a lot of so called Islamic countries out there. Nothing wrong with visiting Ataturk’s tomb in my view – people are just trying for a bone to pick – if that’s the message you got from Obama’s visit to Turkey, then good luck to you.

      As far as Ataturk being a hero to Turkish people, i probably misspoke however if you look at who was at the tomb with Obama, it was President Gul, who is from the AK party, which is an islamist party and has actually had a few problems with the secular Turks. There is really nothing wrong with visiting the tomb, just concentrate yourselves on more important issues. For example if you say that Obama’s policy towards Palestinians in WHACK – then i agree with you but to pick on him for visiting Ataturk’s tomb – com’on, let’s get our priorities straight – that’s the last thing we should be concentrating on, otherwise people will think we are not serious.

    14. awesome April 8th, 2009 at 10:14 pm

      The vast majority of Turks in Turkey love Ataturk more than the vast majority of Americans love George Washington. This should give people an understanding of the formal respect due Ataturk. You don’t have to like him personally any more than a British person needs to like George Washington, Thomas Jefferson or Patrick Henry but it would be wrong to ask the Turks to hate their own leader. Its simply absurd.

      Secular republics are not universally good but as can be evinced from current events, they tend to fare better than other types of states.

      Again the theocracy oriented Muslims may not like Ataturk any more than the theocracy oriented Catholics liked the Protestants or the Republicans in their midsts considering them Apostates. Thats your opinon and by God you are entitled to it. Just remember opinons are like assholes, everyones got one and if you’re entitled to yours, others are entitled to theirs. If you want to disucss it on a serious level, lets look at it statisically. Which sort of government is better at enforcing and providing via a social contract. How does Turkey fare compared to states with similar resources with a theocratic orientation?

      Muslims speak so often about Islam not being an Arab/Desi ideology but a faith for all people and then quickly follows denigration of the Persians for being Shias, of the Turks for being Secular and so on. Excluding millions of people does not make you inclusive and I’m sorry but with a mentality like that you can’t put a household in proper order let alone create interstate alliances. Obama’s right, the foundation for a positive future lies in mutual respect.

    15. Mohammed Khan April 9th, 2009 at 5:27 am

      In response to your edit:

      If someone admires a particular individual (As most western politicians will admire Ataturk) that does not mean it is not state protocol for foreign dignitaries to visit his mausoleum.

      However even if it wasn’t state protocol, I’m sure Obama would have still visited it out of respect for the Turkish government. His visit and praise of Ataturk was a message to the Turkish people, not the Muslim world, as you implied in your original post.

    16. Scott April 10th, 2009 at 5:53 pm

      “Obama will never want an Islamic state to arise anywhere.”

      Nor should we expect him, or any other non-muslim leader to. Wanting and creating an Islamic state is for the Muslims to work for, damn the torpedoes.

      Don’t fault the secularists for having secular heroes.

    17. awesome April 11th, 2009 at 12:20 am

      lol …Scott. You make alot of sense in the whole don’t fault secularists for having secular heroes….the ego won’t leave the world be, must try to inforce its own will, however puny it might actually be, the desire for power, the desire to believe in ones own importance never fades….

      Sometimes I just don’t understand why so many muslims living in secular societies hate secularism (at least verbally and in print). I mean they love the tolerance they are shown by liberal societies and at the same time they decry the “decadence.”

      What few muslims realize is that christian conservatives and many social conservatives when they speak about decadence include muslims as a manifestation of decadence. Islam is right there alongside heavy metal, gangsta rap, the me culture, corporate irresponsibily etc. in these critiques. I think its funny when muslims then launch the same sort of rhetoric in the reverse.

      Who will actually think that its original? The funny thing is that the only people that muslims may appeal to with such a empty, vacous, hallow critique is liberal americans who are so liberal that they have a thing against spiritual revivalism and social reform when it arises from christianity but will go anywhere on the surface of the earth to find it in other religions.

      Its not simply ironic, its a chimera, a mirage, an illusion. Its looking for in another what already exists within you. Its false love, false hope, false consciousness, but tell that to the person who speaks to you about romanticized notions of theocratic societies and he’ll call you the dreamer, you the deranged one, you the westernizer.

      All I can say to someone like that is, I can see right through you.

    18. Mohammed Khan April 15th, 2009 at 6:10 pm

      http://www.suhaibwebb.com/blog/general/obamas-recent-trip-to-turkey-by-haris-tarin/

    19. als April 19th, 2009 at 7:34 pm

      Ataturk revitalised Turkey…

      It’s place on the world’s stage, it’s language and literacy and also the Turkish Identity.

      Obama was just being respectful and showing his respect to what was once a powerful and admirable leader.
      How can this be a slap in the face to Islam.

      Turkey is a secular country and Obama was showing respect to Turkey, the country.

    20. Sabir April 19th, 2009 at 7:49 pm

      I don’t like Ataturk in the slightest, but it’s important to place his legacy in context. Ottoman Turkey had been decimated by WWI after undergoing three centuries of decline. By signing the Treaty of Sevres, the Sultan had essentially ceded the country’s sovereignty to the Allies in order to save his throne. The modern Turkish nationalism that Ataturk conceived of was an entirely new concept, as until then, the term ‘Turk’ was a loose designation referring to a Central Asian person or any Muslim subject of the Ottoman Empire. But he needed a basis upon which to rally people against the occupying forces and restore the country’s morale. He was also one of the only Turkish leaders at the time who had the credibility to pull it off, since his successful command of Ottoman forces at Gallipoli was one of the few bright spots in an otherwise disastrous performance by Turkey in WWI. Once in power, he sought to make a clean break with norms that he felt were responsible for the Ottomans’ long and painful decline. He introduced some abhorrent policies, but the unfortunate reality is that he was a visionary who filled the leadership vacuum left by the regression of traditional Ottomanism. A visionary of the wrong kind, but nontheless a visionary in an era in which the Muslim World lacked visionaries.

      As for Obama’s visit to Ataturk’s mausoleum, this is really a non-issue, since, as mentioned above, it’s protocol for foreign dignitaries to pay their respects to national heroes during state visits.

    21. Mehmet June 24th, 2009 at 9:00 am

      Accept it or not, ataturk was the biggest figure and leader of our century. Noy only he has crashed the western enemies in world war one but also he created a secular society consisting ofd muslims. He has the only person who transmited a muslim world in to a western modern society, yet, he respected everyone else’s religion. I am from Iran and i wish we could have Ataturk as our leader.

    22. Mehmet June 25th, 2009 at 6:18 am

      Not really, ataturk has modernized and educated , backward mutants like you. I don’t want to live like filthy arabics. I don’t want iran to be extremist like that.

      A state cannot be bontrolled with religious laws, it is just backward arabs who has invented these customs and demonstrated world as it was real. It has nothing to do with islam

    23. Al Sudani June 25th, 2009 at 7:05 am

      I agree with Al-Suyuufi.

      Mehmet – “Filthy Arabs/Backwards Arabs”. Do you realize the Prophet Muhammed {Salalahu Alyhi Wasalam} was an Arab?

      Sharia laws has nothing to do with Islam? And Arabs didn’t invent those Religious laws and customs.

      Why can a state not be controlled by Religious laws? Why can it be controlled by man-made laws?

      You don’t even know what you’re talking about. You’re just an angry person, which is reflected in the ignorance of your comments.

      Relax, calm down, think, before you speak.

    24. Mehmet June 25th, 2009 at 9:45 am

      Hz Muhammed (S.A.V) was born as arab but he was a universal prophet. I am tlakign about the fact that arabs live like in primative eras today.

      Dear Al Sudani, you are proposing sheri-laws and you are calling me ignorant ? Well, every religion can be modernized without any changes made. Islam has ability to modernize itself. This is its nature. You cannot beat yoru wife just because you are angry or if you just drink a beer, it doesnt mean you are a kafir.

      I know alot of HACI who went to Mekke and they look at women and touch their pen*s but if you ask them they are real muslims and all people who drink a beer must be punished.

      To be honest arabic world is not applying islam correctly, they jsut applying their own customs and traditions. The most Zina, etc and such shames are comign from arabs.. Not Iranians or turks or western people.

      Best Regards

    25. Al Sudani June 25th, 2009 at 11:59 am

      Yes like what Al-Suyuufi said.

      Mehmet – “Hz Muhammed (S.A.V) was born as arab but he was a universal prophet. I am tlakign about the fact that arabs live like in primative eras today.”

      Arabs? Why are you making such a sweeping comment, and labelling ALL Arabs, ‘backwards’ and ‘filthy’? Where is your proof? Show it if you’re truthful. As I said, you’re ignorant.

      Mehmet – “Dear Al Sudani, you are proposing sheri-laws and you are calling me ignorant?”

      Yes I would like to see Shariah laws implemented. I do not wish to follow laws, created by other humans. Why should I? I believe in the laws of God.

      Mehmet – “Well, every religion can be modernized without any changes made. Islam has ability to modernize itself. This is its nature.”

      Islam is complete and perfect. We do not need to add or take anything from it. We do not need to ‘modernize’ something complete and perfect, and a Religion which is suitable for all times.

      الْيَوْمَ أَكْمَلْتُ لَكُمْ دِينَكُمْ وَأَتْمَمْتُ عَلَيْكُمْ نِعْمَتِي وَرَضِيتُ لَكُمُ الإِسْلاَمَ دِينًا (This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion.)

      Mehmet – “You cannot beat yoru wife just because you are angry or if you just drink a beer, it doesnt mean you are a kafir.”

      Under Shariah laws, you are not a Kafir for drinking beer. And neither can you beat your wife just because you’re angry.

      Where do you get such information from? CNN, Fox news?

      Mehmet – “I know alot of HACI who went to Mekke and they look at women and touch their pen*s but if you ask them they are real muslims and all people who drink a beer must be punished.”

      May Allah {Azza Wa Jal} guide such people, and help them lower their gaze and protect their private parts, Ameen.

      Mehmet – “To be honest arabic world is not applying islam correctly, they jsut applying their own customs and traditions. The most Zina, etc and such shames are comign from arabs.. Not Iranians or turks or western people.”

      Well I agree with you, there is not a single country in the world that is ruled 100% by Shariah. That is why I want to see Shariah laws fully implemented.

      Most Zina and shames is coming from the Arabs, not Iranians, Turks, or Western people?

      Subhana’Allah, where is your evidence to such a statement? Are you aware of the huge prostitution problem in the West, and yes, even in so-called “Islamic republic of Iran”?

      Please bring the proof the comments you have been submitting. It will be interesting to see.

    26. Arab ‘Aribah June 25th, 2009 at 7:31 pm

      The Ottoman Empire was a corrupt, racist and criminal organisation going under the guise of religion….those who view it as some Khalifa utopia are truly deluded and I’m surprised that someone going under the pen name ‘al-Sudani’ can speak of it in a positive light knowing fully well the relationaship the Turkish occupiers had with the Sudanese whom they enslaved, treated like dogs and demanded tax from Muslims….muslims whom they used to enslave other muslims as well as non-Muslims….the Turks DELIBERATELY targeted Africans as slaves….the Turks under the banner of Khalifa-ism commited GENOCIDE against Armenians during the 1920’s…a major holocaust which many are not familiar with…..any African Muslim who supports the Ottomans is nothing but a mental slave…..the Ottoman empire was only ‘Islamic’ in name but apart from that they were no different to the ancientRoman empire and having the same aspirations as the Nazis of Germany…..

      Kamal Attuturk….well done

    27. Mehmet June 25th, 2009 at 8:47 pm

      saudi arabia, iraq etc, they all are backward 3. world countries. IRanians are modern, nobel people actually but a semi-arab called Humeni has turned us into a islamic country.

      Islam is a religion, not politican. Islam has nothign to do with politics and if you involce islam in to politics in 21 centruy, sorry but you are just piece of animals and not humans :)

      Being a good person is not just having no alcohol or meeting girls, i know thousands of christians or athesits or whatever who are way betetr and helpful to the mankind than avarage muslims of Suudi countries.

      Of corus enot all arabs are liek that, i have an egyptian fiance and i know many decent arabs but most of the arabs , pakis and afghans are branwashed peopel with zero mentallity and they are a bad represantative of the Islam.

      Islam coudl seperate more and more if there were not backwards tradioners like you were exist.

      And yes, i am a Muslim, i just dont belive that Sheria lwas are exist in Islam, Quran has got alot of commented version and sheria and other laws are just missrepresentation of arabs, especially Suudi animals.

    28. Mehmet June 25th, 2009 at 8:50 pm

      you guys will never understand because you are really backwards. I am just wasting my time here with you.

      You are brainwashed and you have no respect to human dignity and personal choice.

      So i wont write you anymore guys,

      i am sorry.

      Regards

    29. Al Sudani June 25th, 2009 at 9:50 pm

      Blah blah blah. Keep barking on.

      You have not produced any single EVIDENCE and PROOF I asked you to provide for the statements you were making.

      You have not refuted anything I said.

      You are simply an angry person, letting out their anger on this thread, hence not thinking before you type, which is shown in the ignorance and stupidity of your comments.

      So my suggestion is you first need to relax. Calm down. We are here talking about facts. If the truth is bitter to you, which it’s clearly is, close the tab, and leave this thread. Simple.

      Mehmet – “”saudi arabia, iraq etc, they all are backward 3. world countries. IRanians are modern, nobel people actually but a semi-arab called Humeni has turned us into a islamic country.”

      How is Saudi Arabia and Iraq backward? In what ways exactly?
      Once again, bring forth your proof if you’re truthful.

      And you claim Saudi Arabia is a 3rd world country? Sure about what you’re talking about?

      “Islam is a religion, not politican. Islam has nothign to do with politics and if you involce islam in to politics in 21 centruy, sorry but you are just piece of animals and not humans :)”

      Islam is a way of life. It encompasses everything, which includes Politics.

      وَمَن لَّمْ يَحْكُم بِمَا أَنزَلَ اللّهُ فَأُوْلَـئِكَ هُمُ الْكَافِرُونَ (Whoever does not judge and rule according to what Allah has Revealed, such are the disbelievers) [5:44]

      The Holy Qu’ran is suitable for all times, and yes, even the 21st Century. And no, involving Islam, into Politics, in other words, judging and ruling by what Allah {Azza Wa Jal} has revealed, does not make someone an animal.

      Mehmet – “Being a good person is not just having no alcohol or meeting girls, i know thousands of christians or athesits or whatever who are way betetr and helpful to the mankind than avarage muslims of Suudi countries.”

      Once again, generalizing, and making baseless sweeping remarks.

      How are they better than Muslims in Saudi? How are Atheists and Christians better than Muslims in Saudi? Please for once, stop talking nonsense, and show any hint of evidence to support the ignorant comments you are submitting.

      Mehmet – “Of corus enot all arabs are liek that, i have an egyptian fiance and i know many decent arabs but most of the arabs , pakis and afghans are branwashed peopel with zero mentallity and they are a bad represantative of the Islam.”

      Most? Where is your PROOF? The basis for your comments? You can not make a sweeping comment based on the attitude of a few individuals you came across. So I would like to see your PROOF that MOST are ‘brainwashed’ with ‘zero mentality’ as you claim. Show your proof. You’re entitled to an opinion, like everyone else. It’s not a fact, unless you can support and prove it is.

      Mehmet – “Islam coudl seperate more and more if there were not backwards tradioners like you were exist.”

      I don’t respond to insults from strangers On-line. Keep labelling me with whatever terms you may wish. Feel free to do so. I will keep silencing and refuting your ignorance.

      Mehmet – “And yes, i am a Muslim, i just dont belive that Sheria lwas are exist in Islam, Quran has got alot of commented version and sheria and other laws are just missrepresentation of arabs, especially Suudi animals.”

      You don’t believe Shariah laws exist in islam? I can see you harbor a dislike for Saudi’s. Which is blinding you from the truth.

      وَمَن لَّمْ يَحْكُم بِمَا أَنزَلَ اللّهُ فَأُوْلَـئِكَ هُمُ الْكَافِرُون (Whoever does not judge and rule according to what Allah has Revealed, such are the disbelievers) [5:44]

      وَمَن لَّمْ يَحْكُم بِمَا أنزَلَ اللّهُ فَأُوْلَـئِكَ هُمُ الظَّالِمُونَ (And they who do not judge in accordance with what God has revealed – they, they are the evildoers) [5:45]

      وَمَن لَّمْ يَحْكُم بِمَا أَنزَلَ اللّهُ فَأُوْلَـئِكَ هُمُ الْفَاسِقُونَ (Whoso judgeth not by that which Allah hath revealed; such are evil-livers.) [5:47]

      Your second post doesn’t have anything interesting to reply to. So having said that, Assalam Aliekum.

    30. Mehmet June 25th, 2009 at 10:16 pm

      Al Sudani, i ma not angry with you so you should not take my words on yourself.

      My response was clearly for these arabic guys who blindly support that a religion should be over everyone’s life and they try to empose their belife on everyone. They think every human being has to think like themselves and they have no respect to non-muslims.

      Ottoman Empire was not liek that. You have no capacity to practice Islam like them. The way you understand and comment religion has become more and more primateive over the years.

      Secondly, what i wanted to try to say that is i knoıw many christian who are better people. The Term ”better” refers to be a better person. more respectfull to human dignity, society, people and helping more to those who need help and aid. Persoanlly i have been to Suudi Arabistan and i was barely able to see people that were fitting my expression.

      You are also talking nonses, my friend… more than me. You are copying and pasting parts from Quran which has nothing to do with our topic.

      Personally, i respect the way you view life and it is your choice but since you do not know the real meaning of term ”respect” , how can i argue with you here? You do not look at lif ein the same way i do. Whatever i talk here, we wont be able to communicate, unfortunatelly.

      I am not running away or anything, i just belive that whatever i talk with you, you will have no capacity and sight to understand me and my perspective. (that is not an insult please dont be offended). Thus, i see no point of arguing with you here. You can find another person to argue with , my bro.

      Ve Aleyküm Esselam

    31. Al Sudani June 26th, 2009 at 8:07 am

      Yet again … You’re barking, Blah blah blah blah blah.

      Do you understand the meaning of evidence and proof?

      I’ve been asking for it all the time from YOU to prove what you’ve been saying throughout, the outrageous claims you have been making, and you haven’t brought ANY yet.

      Go here please to gain some understanding of what I’ve been asking for; http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/proof?r=75

      Mehmet – “My response was clearly for these arabic guys who blindly support that a religion should be over everyone’s life and they try to empose their belife on everyone. They think every human being has to think like themselves and they have no respect to non-muslims.”

      How do they have no respect for non-Muslims?

      And how do they blindly support a Religion, and think every human has to think like themselves? Do you even read what you’re typing? Do you know what you’re talking about? Or you type before you think?

      Can I tell you what actually, why don’t YOU start bringing forth the evidence to support your comments? Where do you get your information from, if any? I’m NOT interested in YOUR opinions, I’m interested ONLY in the FACTS. So until you bring something to prove what you’ve been saying here, I will not waste my time responding to your OPINIONS.

      Mehmet – “Ottoman Empire was not liek that. You have no capacity to practice Islam like them. The way you understand and comment religion has become more and more primateive over the years.”

      Again that’s your opinion. I’m not interested in what YOU think about me. Doesn’t bother me at all.

      Mehmet – “Secondly, what i wanted to try to say that is i knoıw many christian who are better people. The Term ”better” refers to be a better person. more respectfull to human dignity, society, people and helping more to those who need help and aid. Persoanlly i have been to Suudi Arabistan and i was barely able to see people that were fitting my expression.”

      I can argue the same. I have been to France, and have barely seen people that were fitting my expression. But the truth is, one can not make a sweeping opinion based on a number of individuals they’ve came across. There will always be bad Muslims, bad Christians. Good Muslims, and Christians. So I’m not interested in your experience. I would like you to prove GENERALLY how Christians are “better” people than Muslims in Saudi Arabia.

      Mehmet – “You are also talking nonses, my friend… more than me. You are copying and pasting parts from Quran which has nothing to do with our topic.”

      I’m talking nonsense? I’ve showed you the verse number. Why don’t you go open the Qu’ran before making lame comments? [Verses 5:44, 5:45, 5:47]. Go read them yourself.

      I refuted you, and proved to you that POLITICS is indeed PART of Islam. That SHARIAH LAWS do indeed exist in Islam. So of course it has something to do with our topic. Or maybe you’re not aware of what you’ve been typing.

      Mehmet – “Personally, i respect the way you view life and it is your choice but since you do not know the real meaning of term ”respect” , how can i argue with you here? You do not look at lif ein the same way i do. Whatever i talk here, we wont be able to communicate, unfortunatelly.”

      Once again, I honestly don’t care about your opinions about me. You don’t even know me, yet you try to foolishly judge me.

      You’ve been using offensive terms such as ‘backwards’, ‘filthy’, ‘animals’, and other terms to describe Arabs. You would do very well to take in your own advice about respect. Don’t tell others about respect, until you learn about it’s meaning yourself.

      Mehmet – “I am not running away or anything, i just belive that whatever i talk with you, you will have no capacity and sight to understand me and my perspective. (that is not an insult please dont be offended). Thus, i see no point of arguing with you here. You can find another person to argue with , my bro.”

      Your problem is you realized that I’m not accepting YOUR OPINIONS WITHOUT PROOF. You can not even show me any evidence as to what you’ve been saying. You have found yourself trapped, and decided instead of wisely leave the argument, you resorted to accusing me of lacking ‘understanding’ and ‘perspective’, and ‘primitive’.

      You’re entitled to submit your opinions, and I’m also entitled to reject them, unless you can show me facts to support your opinions. I do not like, nor agree with what you’ve been saying. You have been making accusations against Arabs and Muslims, yet you can’t support any of the arguments you’ve based. Rather base it on experience with few individuals.

      My advice to you is;

      – Stop submitting comments, you can not later support when asked. Don’t talk about something you can not prove, and have no evidence for.

      – Stop with the sweeping comments. Stop making opinions based on experience, without any data at all to prove your views.

      – Accept that people will not always agree with your opinions, unless of course you can prove such opinions you hold.

      – If you don’t have something good to say, silence is better than idle words.

      Assalam Aliekum.

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