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Obama’s stance worries Israelis
Jason Koutsoukis

CAN Israel still call the United States its best international friend? Apparently not, if you believe the tone of the local media.

Watching the drama unfold inside Israel, the increasingly tense dialogue between US President Barack Obama and new Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is taking on all the trappings of a duel.

Almost every day brings news of another sore point between the two countries, a source of yet further inflammation of their once warm relations.

One could be forgiven for thinking that the more immediate threat to Israel’s national security lay across the Atlantic rather than from closer to home.

It is bad enough that President Obama uses almost every opportunity he can to set the parameters of a final peace agreement between Israel and the Palestinians. Now US officials are openly using Israeli anxiety over Iran’s fledging nuclear program as a bargaining chip to force Israel’s hand on giving up control of the West Bank Palestinian territory.

No less a figure than White House chief-of-staff Rahm Emanuel — whose father fought with the militant Zionist group the Irgun, and whose appointment had provided such reassurance to Israeli officials — was quoted this week laying down the law to Israel.

If Israel wants US help to defuse the Iranian threat, Mr Emanuel was reported to have told Jewish leaders in Washington, then get ready to start evacuating settlements in the West Bank.

Talkback radio blazed with fury across the country the same day, as Israelis protested that no US official had the right to tell them where to live.

Then on Thursday came the news that Mr Netanyahu’s planned first meeting with President Obama in Washington next month had been called off.

Mr Netanyahu had hoped to capitalise on his attendance at the annual American Israel Public Affairs Committee conference in Washington to visit the White House.

But Administration officials informed Mr Netanyahu’s office that the President would not be “in town”.

Washington sources added that the Obama Administration would not be continuing the tradition that had developed during the Bush years of hosting Israeli prime ministers whenever they showed up in town, sometimes with just a phone call’s notice.

It might have been no more than coincidence, but yesterday Israeli defence officials told the liberal daily Haaretz that Israel’s $US15 billion ($A21 billion) purchase of 75 US-made F-35 Joint Strike Fighter jets was now under review due to “the unexpected high cost and disagreements with the manufacturer”.

Contrary to initial expectations, President Obama has wasted no time becoming fully engaged in the Middle East peace process, despite the magnitude of his domestic political agenda. While Mr Netanyahu has refused to endorse a two-state solution to the Israel-Palestinian conflict agreed to by his predecessor, President Obama has made it abundantly clear that the US will accept nothing less than Israel living side by side with a sovereign Palestinian state.

Mr Obama is also demanding a freeze on Jewish settlement expansion in the West Bank, and has dropped the Bush administration’s opposition to Hamas being part of a future Palestinian Authority government.

According to prominent Israeli political commentator Maya Bengal, who writes for the country’s second-largest selling newspaper Maariv, the holiday is over.

“As Passover comes to an end, so comes to an end, it seems, the days of grace granted to the Netanyahu Government by the American Administration,” says the commentator.

Tel Aviv barman Meir Avraham, 30, says he can feel on the street the tensions being played out between the US and Israel.

“This is one of the the main things that the people are talking about at the moment,” says Mr Avraham, who recently returned to Israel after several months in Townsville.

All Israelis, says Mr Avraham, understand the vital nature of the relationship between Israel and the US. “If we lose America, then we are alone,” he says. “So we must listen to what America wants. But really I think this is more about the little brother testing the limits of the big brother.”

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  • 26 Responses for "Rahm Emmanuel: “If Israel wants US help to defuse the Iranian threat then get ready to start evacuating settlements in the West Bank.”"

    1. Green Child April 19th, 2009 at 12:32 am

      Good Jews really exist?

      Joking of course.

      dude, i can’t believe someone who has as much of a hardcore background as Rahm Emanuel to say something like that.

      WOW!!!

      I’m liking this black fellow more and more.

    2. N April 19th, 2009 at 3:23 am

      Muslims are not allowed to give up even a hand-span of land to the non-Muslims (Kafir or otherwise) under any condition.

      A recipe for endless violence and destruction.

    3. aamer Khan April 19th, 2009 at 11:05 am

      interesting how he said that right around the time the U.S. decided to boycott the U.N. racism summit for “targeting” Israel.

    4. Green Child April 19th, 2009 at 12:36 pm

      “Muslims are not allowed to give up even a hand-span of land to the non-Muslims (Kafir or otherwise) under any condition.”

      Why?

      Not that I don’t want to have what belongs to us, but what is the shari aspect of this?

    5. tasnim April 19th, 2009 at 3:00 pm

      @ suyuffi: stop being such an idiot

    6. Green Child April 19th, 2009 at 7:25 pm

      Hey, hey, no name calling now.

      The thing is al-suyuufi, we have no muslim leadership to arrange any real treaty. We have no real islamic government in the world, including saudi arabia, so who should issue a proper treaty? We have no real Islamic Khalifa, or an islamic army, so what are we suppose to do? The ulema can keep telling us what is right, and what is wrong, but who is actually doing anything for the people of countries like Palestine? So naturally, it is the people of a country who will arrange a treaty, and they will do so out of the desire for peace for their people.

      It’s very easy to point a finger like many of us muslims do, however it’s very hard to offer a real alternative solution that doesn’t lack in the level of sophistication needed to solve any of our problems.

    7. MR April 19th, 2009 at 9:23 pm

      @al-Suyuufi – I’ll stick to what the Prophet (saas) said about the coming of the Mahdi and the return of ‘Isa, alyhisalam. The signs are clear.

    8. Farooq April 20th, 2009 at 1:11 am

      @MR
      the Khilafah will be established before the Mahdi

    9. Farzana April 20th, 2009 at 5:19 am

      Err, No! The Mahdi (as) will come and establish the khilafah. Allegience cannot be given to him until he arrives first – hence no khilapha till he comes.

    10. MR April 20th, 2009 at 9:24 am

      @al-Suyuufi, @Farooq –

      Abu Dawud reported a Hadith about Al-Mahdi that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said: “Al-Mahdi will be of my stock, and will have a broad forehead, a prominent nose. He will fill the earth with equity and justice as it was filled with oppression and tyranny, and he will rule for seven years.” (Reported by At-Tirmidhi)

      Basically the world is fill with opression and tryanny and the Mahdi will come and establish justice aka Islamic rule.

      😀

      BUT, I must make it clear that this does not mean we as Muslims just “sit around” and wait. It is our obligation to follow Islam completely including yearning for the true laws of Islam established.

      As of right now, there is no clear sign that this will happen anytime soon anywhere in the world, including Iraq and Afghanistan/Pakistan. All this is just my opinion. I can be 100% wrong, but this is my observation.

      Allah knows best.

    11. Farzana April 20th, 2009 at 9:39 am

      Have you read any hadith regarding the end of times?

      The Holy Prophet Muhammad(SAW) has prophesied about several events that will occur just before the advent of the day of judgment. Among these, Rasulullah(SAW) has foretold the advent of one of his descendants, Al Mahdi (the guided one), *which will materialize when the believers are severely oppressed in every corner of the world*. He will fight the oppressors, unite the Muslims, bring peace and justice to the world, rule over the Arabs, and lead a prayer in Mekkah at which Isa(pbuh) (Jesus) will be present.

      Abu Sa’id al-Khudari(RA) has related a tradition from the Prophet(SAW) who declared: *The earth will be filled with injustice and corruption. At that time, a man from among my progeny will rise and will rule for seven or nine years and will fill the earth with justice and equity*. (Ahmad b. Hanbal, Musnad, Vol. 3, P. 27)

      Abu al-Hujaf(RA) quotes the Prophet(SAW) saying three times:
      Listen to the good news about the Mahdi! He will rise at the time *when people will be faced with severe conflict and the earth will be hit by a violent quake. He will fill the earth with justice and equity as it is filled with injustice and tyranny. He will fill the hearts of his followers with devotion and will spread justice everywhere*.
      (Bihar al-anwar, Vol. 51, P. 74)

      Ali b. Abi Talib(RA) said, I asked the Prophet(SAW):
      “Is Mahdi going to be among our own family or from some other?” He replied: “He will be among us. God will conclude His religion through him, just as He began it with us. It will be through us that people will find refuge from sedition, just as it was through us that they were saved from polytheism. Moreover, it will be through us that God will bring their hearts together in brotherhood following the animosity sown by the sedition, just as they were brought together in brotherhood in their religion after the animosity sown by polytheism.”
      (Bihar al-anwar, Vol. 51, P. 84; Ithbat al-hudat, Vol. 7, P. 191; Majma` al-zawa’id by `Ali b. Abi Bakr Haythami (Cairo edition), Vol. 7, P. 317)

      Clearly we are living in the times described in these hadith, where Muslims are being severely oppressed in every corner of the world, there is injustice corruption and tyranny. These hadith clearly indicate that it will be the Mahdi who will fight the oppressors, unite the Muslims, bring peace and justice to the world and not anyone else!!! No OTHER name has been mentioned here. (Not Hosni Mubarak, not Obama, not Assad, not Hizb Tahrir BUT only Imam MAHDI (as) will unite the muslims and bring peace and justice to the world).

      Fighting oppressors, uniting the muslims and bringing peace and justice in the world is to establish the khilaphah. That is it’s purpose. So in this case, the Mahdi will establish the khilapha. And as in that last hadith God will conclude His religion through him, just as He began it with the Prophet (saw).

      No hadith mentions that anyone else will do this prior to him or that we ought to pledge our allegience to anyone other than the Mahdi (as)during the end of times. May he be with us soon. Ameen.

      I am not up for arguments or rebuttles, therefore do not expect a reply.

    12. Farzana April 20th, 2009 at 9:40 am

      I agree that this does not mean we should sit around and do nothing, we still have a duty to fight for truth and justice.

    13. Where's Jinnzaman When Ya Need Him? April 20th, 2009 at 4:12 pm

      In the mean time we should read up on the muslim intellectual revolution, like Jinnzaman talks of on his site, which is now dead for some reason.

      http://www.geocities.com/fbzaman007/intellectualrevolution1.html

      http://www.geocities.com/fbzaman007/intellectualrevolution2.html

      http://www.geocities.com/fbzaman007/intellectualrevolution3.html

      Where are you Jinnzaman?!!!!!

    14. David April 20th, 2009 at 8:49 pm

      Or let Ahmadinejad rant when ever he wants to so everyone can be distracted from any fair and peaceful work that may end up happening between Obama and anyone else decent.

      I loved that “anti-racism” UN conference sh*t storm.

      President Ahmadinejad beat his dead horse some more (targeting the US, Israel and inciting American/European Jews for their fake Holocaust Zionist agenda). Yeah, he went about it in such an eloquent way so that the only excitement heard came from his few cheering friends and the two screaming clown wigs .

      Using colorful language did not enlighten the protesters in brightly colored wigs nor did it enlighten

      Austria
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      Cyprus
      Czech Republic
      Denmark
      Estonia
      Finland
      France
      Greece
      Hungary
      Ireland
      Latvia
      Lithuania
      Luxembourg
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      on Monday as he accused Israel of having a “racist government” and committing genocide. Ahmadinejad’s speech at a controversial U.N. anti-racism conference in Switzerland was also interrupted by protesters in brightly colored wigs. The U.S. deputy ambassador to the U.N. called Ahmadinejad’s remarks “vile” and “hateful.

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    16. Green Child April 21st, 2009 at 6:46 pm

      @ David:

      I don’t agree with lots of things Ahmedinejhad says, but for an anti-racism conference, his talk about Israel’s oppressive regime on Palestine made perfect sense to me. And I’m not a Jew-hater either, ex-President Jimmy Carter, and I believe Nobel Peace Prize Winner, said that the situation between Israel and Palestine was that of Apartheid.

      Therefore what Ahmedinejhad said was, in my eyes, appropriate because the Apartheid in Israel has a huge racism factor.

      And like Iran has no credibility for European governments, that large an unmoving list of European nations has no credibility for those people oppressed in Palestine for the past 60 years, who haven’t got any real support from the West.

    17. Green Child April 21st, 2009 at 6:53 pm

      @ al-suyuufi

      Assalamualaykum brother, you seem like a very intelligent and knowledgeable brother, who knows a lot more than I do, which is especially demonstrated by your ability to quote hadith, and opinions of great scholars, mashallah.

      I’m interested in talking about Khalifah with you, because although i wish we could accomplish it, I see a lot of Muslim groups out there who claim they are trying to accomplish it also, and claim they are “mujahideen” fighting for this very cause, yet the only result I see is oppressive regimes, that kill many innocent Muslims in the process.
      I think these people are not really fighting for the sake of Allah, they are fighting for the control of power.

      The taliban are an example of what I am talking about, although quite honestly I don’t know whether they are so good, or bad.

      Any opinions, (ha- trick question, of course you have opinions!!)

    18. David April 21st, 2009 at 8:24 pm

      Green Child,

      Yes, Ahmedinejhad’s main complaint (US/Israeli government) is what most people agree on. The controversy is common knowledge. It just so happens that Ahmedinejhad is running around in circles whether or not he’s even attempting to hurt or help either side. His predictable rant prevented a real debate from even being planned out.

    19. Green Child April 21st, 2009 at 9:04 pm

      But you can’t really call it a rant since the oppression of the Palestinian people by the Israeli Apartheid regime is a relevant issue in this era that is not being addressed properly, at an anti-racism UN conference.

      I don’t see anyplace that this little speech from Ahmedinejad would be more appropriate.

      And why is common knowledge a controversy? Racism in America was common knowledge, so should Martin Luther King Jr. have been condemned for what he said? The presence of terrorism is common knowledge, so is it inappropriate to talk about it?

    20. Green Child April 21st, 2009 at 10:33 pm

      I’m not really comfortable giving out my e-mail in the comments section, but I have a feeling we’ll be discussing our opinions with eachother regardless of the e-mail, on this site.

      Before I go any further I want to say, that I think we DO need to organize ourselves, and defend our oppressed Muslim brothers across the world.

      Now, one thing that is hard for me about the issue of Khalifah is the fact that we haven’t had a real Khalifah for over 1000 years, in my eyes, and the history of the Khulafa after Umar RA is filled with eras of war and dynasty.

      For those 1000 years the iman of Muslims has declined steadily, so in what reality can the Muslims of today, infected with disease in their hearts, and defeated by their weakness of iman, have the ability to re-establish a Khalifah?

      Also, I believe that the reason behind people’s desire for the Khalifah today is not purely for the sake of Allah, but more for the weakness of our political power in the world, and the desire to gain political power.
      That is why when the Afghani mujahideen defeated the Soviets – with the help of America – and joined together to make a government system, they split into factions and started killing eachother. I think their disunity was because their common interest in fighting the soviets was not fighting for the sake of Allah, instead their common interest was to gain power, and defeat their common enemy; the soviets.

      But when their enemy was gone, they found the enemy in eachother, and killed eachother, not for Allah, but for the desire of power.

      In my opinion, the real leaders of Islam for the past hundreds of years are the ulema. It is they who have kept us connected to our past. And that is why, in my eyes, you don’t see many ulema involved in politics (except Imam Awlaki, and you don’t see him in a mujahideen group either), they invest their time into teaching and learning, because they realize that the future of Muslims is not in our armies, technology, or political power, it is in the continuance of Ilm, through students who eventually become the next generation of ulema.

      They are the generals fighting against the armies of Shaytaan. They are our shepherds leading us on the path to Jannah. And it is they who are the ones preserving the deen taught to us by Sayyidina Muhammad Sallallahu Alayhi Wassalam.

      As for the re-establishment of Khalifah, well, I honestly am confused. I do want a Khalifah, but I don’t see any reasonable way to get there from where we are now. I see many excited people, with no reasonable solutions, and no reasonable progress. And instead of holding our breath waiting for those solutions, I think we should take a step towards dawah.

      But if there are real solutions, I will always be willing to accept them.

    21. Green Child April 21st, 2009 at 11:12 pm

      Im not talking about the taliban, they came soon after, and formed later, there were other groups of “mujahideen” who were led by different factions of the government that defeated the communists. For example, Ahmed Shah Massoud. The taliban came later and fought against him, and other leaders of different Mujahideen.

    22. David April 21st, 2009 at 11:41 pm

      Another speaker’s speech questioning Israel and the US government sure, but certainly not the best place for Ahmedinejad. He does it all wrong. Of course it’s alright to talk about it, but he gets no where. He made it a rant not only by his inappropriate way of addressing it, but mainly because of his off on a tangent Nazi era references.

    23. Green Child April 23rd, 2009 at 10:11 pm

      David, call it what you want to call it.

      Like I said, I don’t agree completely with a lot of Ahmedinejhads opinions, but whenever you see someone calling out Israel on its oppressive policies, they automatically get associated with Hitler, the Nazi regime, and Anti-Semitism.

      And if the focus is just “the misuse of Ahmedinejhad’s rhetoric”, then I think the priorities of the West are completely flawed since the central argument of Ahmedhinejhad regarding Israel is something agreed upon by various people in the world, from Ultra-Orthodox Jews, modern jews like Jon Stewart, and President Jimmy Carter. Why do they care more about “the way he said things”, when the issue is as terrible a force as apartheid, and its oppression of other people?

      Personally, I think the West just doesn’t want to listen to the “Palestinian Issue”.

    24. Green Child April 23rd, 2009 at 10:20 pm

      And might I add the extremely offensive cartoons, that were defended under “freedom of speech”.

      It’s absolutely ridiculous that those who intentionally attack the Prophet Muhammad (may peace be upon him), the exact role model that every Muslim attempts to be like, in effect attacking the religion and by extension purpose of every Muslim life, is defended under “freedom of speech”, when the West cannot even listen to the addressing of an issue that has oppressed millions, and has made them suffer.

      Like I said, it’s not Ahmedinejhads manners that are the real issues, its the Wests indifference and some could argue support, for the issue of oppression in Palestine.

    25. bark April 25th, 2009 at 7:42 am

      this is all absurd barf-worthy conversation. talking about mahdi and sharia. fix the damn sharia in your personal life and fix your own respective lives and get off the damn internet and shut up and better yourselves as people. muslims are down because they’re wasting time on youtube and google. shame on everyone here. wakeup we’re wide ASLEEEP. there is not one scholar in these forums–period. so nobody should say anything controversial. youve abused this concept of western freedom of speech. think before you speak is the only sunnah needed in the world at this instant.
      peace yo.

    26. Naz April 26th, 2009 at 6:35 pm

      so back to the article….finally something that at least seems like the U.S. is no longer kissing Israel’s feet (for now)…insha’Allah this does bring change we can believe in.

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