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Sh. Yasir Qadhi Dominates Asra Nomani at the Doha Debates

  • Author: MR
  • Filed under: Islam
  • Date: Jun 11,2009 | 01:00 PM


May Allah preserve Sh. Yasir!


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  • 39 Responses for "Sh. Yasir Qadhi Dominates Asra Nomani at the Doha Debates"

    1. Kamal June 11th, 2009 at 1:56 pm

      Asra was incomprehensible anyway – so was the syrian sitting next to . Whats shocking is that that vote ended with 62% to 38% in favor of the motion

    2. akhan June 11th, 2009 at 2:31 pm

      ahh this is what happens when a motion is too broad. It causes too many debates on different topics to go on at the same time and keeps the discussion from moving on.

    3. BelHasan June 11th, 2009 at 3:18 pm

      Man, Shaykh Yasir – God bless you and preserve you.

    4. farooq June 11th, 2009 at 4:10 pm

      May allah preserve shaykh Yasir, and guide that entire panel. Because that lady on the far left is just trying to be a rebel and thats it. She thinks that using your inteligence means going against what the scholars say=rebel

    5. Fouad London June 11th, 2009 at 4:42 pm

      Yasir Qhadi smacked it , i found it rather very funny how Asra.N used ” i am a woman i know how you feel” vibe to win support.

    6. Dawud Israel June 11th, 2009 at 4:55 pm

      “Yasir Qadhi is a baller!”
      -Shaykh Suhaib Webb

      :)

    7. Kearns June 11th, 2009 at 5:32 pm

      I don’t understand the format, why is the moderator challenging their statements? Clearly if his arguments are weak, it can greatly influence the debate either way. Plus, as he pointed out, the Syrian representative was not even agreeing with the side he had picked. Plus the original woman argued that women shouldn’t be forced into marriages that they don’t want, which of course is not the position is “This House believes that Muslim women should be free to marry anyone they choose” the opposite of which is NOT “Muslim women should be forced to marry people and have no say in the matter”, in fact the motion against would be “There could be some restrictions on Muslim women and who they can marry”. Apparently only Shaykh Yasir understood this, and perhaps 38% of the audience.

    8. AS June 11th, 2009 at 11:30 pm

      When laymen get on TV and win over people, it’s sad. A downside to technology.

    9. Koorosh Vahabi June 12th, 2009 at 3:33 am

      Inshallah, we learn from this.

      Many of us know something in Islam, but can’t explain or articulate the reasons or wisdom behind them.

    10. Sameer June 12th, 2009 at 6:59 am

      Wait… he lost. how is that domination?

      she killed him when she said that hes taking women who are looking to avoid abuse out of islam… qahdis chances fell apart right there

    11. Kalimaat June 12th, 2009 at 8:25 am

      Motion was vague, it touched on many topics such as forced marriages, marriage between women (no one was interested, but Yasir Qadi kept repeating it), marriage between a Muslim woman and a non Muslim man. The audience were thinking in lines of marrying another Muslim who is outside of your nationality, ethnicity etc, voting for the motion reflected that. I have not heard of Asra Nomani before and thought she was articulate.

    12. right June 12th, 2009 at 8:51 am

      wow… YQ got schooled

    13. right June 12th, 2009 at 9:37 am

      I think YQ came across very naive when Asra asked hypothetically about his daughter. He should’ve gave a clear and confident answer right there “My daughter would not be a Muslim”.

      Before watching this video I held the same opinion as YQ. But now I’m rethinking my position. If I had a daughter who I helped educate and raise as a Muslim and she decided to marry a non-Muslim, would I still be able to say “Assalamu Alaikum” to her? Or more importantly if she was facing difficulty in her life, would she not be able to ask Allah for help?

      Not all decisions made by scholars make sense, they can’t even agree with each other. If all scholars today can’t reach a unanimous agreement, then there is something flawed in the previous agreement. Unless we live in the past and believe no one qualifies to be a scholar in current times.

      I say women should marry who they wish and still be treated as Muslims.

    14. Yahya June 12th, 2009 at 11:17 am

      Wow, did anyone actually listen to Yasir Qadhi or did they just make up their mind in advance and then approvingly concur with him.

      His argument is the paragon of circular reasoning.

      The ruling on marriage is unchangeable by scholars because scholars said it is unchangeable when they deduced the ruling.

      Fantastic, I suppose also the bible is the inerrant word of God because the Bible says it is inerrant and then says it is the word of God.

      Great!

    15. sari June 12th, 2009 at 12:09 pm

      Salamu alaikum,

      i feel sorry for myself that I am a syrian.

      Sub7ana Allah, I never knew the situation was that bad (63%) – what’s so hard about accepting the ruling of islam?

    16. akhan June 12th, 2009 at 12:10 pm

      right, Yasir Qadhi did not say that it would take the woman out of the fold of Islam, he basically said that the action of a woman marrying a nonmuslim is unislamic. She’s still a Muslim, but committed a sin. And as YQ said this ruling is based on the consensus of all the major scholars of past and present.

      Yahya, I don’t think there would have been time for him to explain the why behind the ruling. All he wanted to say was that this ruling is an agreed upon part of Islam and that its contradictory to say that a Muslim should be allowed to do something which is not allowed in Islam.

      I guess Shiekh Yasir Qadhi could have made his argument stronger by emphasizing that the consensus is based on the Quran and Sunnah. People may have thought it meant that a bunch of people came together and made a decision based on how they felt.

    17. PakistaniMD June 12th, 2009 at 4:06 pm

      Mr. Qadhi made a lot of great points. He also gives his thoughts on MM
      (http://muslimmatters.org/2009/05/26/the-doha-debates-an-insider%E2%80%99s-perspective-yasir-qadhi-asra-nomani-womens-freedom-to-marry/).

      Also, we all need to get the word out about MS. Nomani’s release of documentary of Muslims and her battles for so-called “reforms”. “The Mosque in Morgantown” is going to air next week. Like the press release from the Mosque (http://icmorgantown.org/), we should use the web feature of the documentary to voice the true Islam. Please take heed of this call!

    18. Chip June 12th, 2009 at 6:34 pm

      One of the fundamental responsibilities of a muslim is to raise a muslim family (muslim sons and daughters). How is that possible if a non-muslim woman marries a non-muslim man? I’d even say that a muslim man marrying a non-muslim woman (while allowed in Islam) is following the same path. How can one’s children be raised as muslim if one parent doesn’t at all adhere to those views. One spouse would teach and educate their child about the virtues of going to mosque, praying, and abstaining from many acts, while the other spouse wouldn’t care at all about that. One parent would act as a Islamic role model, while the other spouse would do the opposite in many respects. for example, what impression would it lay on the child to find their non-muslim mom or dad enjoying a glass of wine or a beer on a daily basis? As well, in many of these interreligious marriages, the non-muslim does not really practice their own religion (i.e. rarely goes to church or rarely prays). Under those conditions, the marriage between a muslim man and non-muslim woman itself would be invalid.

      Nomani talks about “love” and her own experiences, but it is just that, her own experiences. Obviously, no woman should be forced to marry someone that they don’t want as their spouse. But it is then the woman’s responsibility to find a muslim spouse that fits her needs or criteria (i.e. someone who you can love). There’s plenty of muslims out there. So, there’s really no excuse. I am all for freedom and rights, but If you want full freedom to do as you want and feel that any restriction or abstinence is an infringement upon your “rights”, clearly you may not at all care for religion. Religion has always been about boundaries – not a “do as you wish” type of lifestyle. If the woman and even a man wants to remain a practicing muslim and not be led astray to a different lifestyle, it is in their best interest and salvation to not marry a non-muslim.

    19. Arslan June 12th, 2009 at 6:56 pm

      I completely agree with the above post. Very well said.

    20. Umm Makhtoom June 12th, 2009 at 9:06 pm

      Sheikh Yasir Qadhi rocked it! Mashallah, May Allah bless him. Ameen.

      “No conditions is no boundries and no boundries is no religion. It’s that simple.” – Shekh YQ

    21. Salam June 12th, 2009 at 9:10 pm

      Shaykh Yasir Qadhi did not dominate. MR I am not sure what debate you saw. Also, his side lost where the dominant crowd are comprised of Muslims, quite pathetic, especially when someone like asra nomani is on the other side! Shaykh Yasir did not express himself in an articulate, innovative way. Shaykh Hamza Yusuf, Dr. Umar Faruq, Imam Zaid, would have done a much better job as they are at the forefront of dealing with these issues in the current times. Shaykh Yasir Qadhi (along with the al-Maghrib Institute) is focused on a certain religious interpretation of Islam, they are not focusing on issues in the current times (just take a look at the courses they offer). Unfortunately, the wrong scholar was selected for this job. However, I love the older Saudi woman!

    22. farooq June 12th, 2009 at 9:32 pm

      @ Salam, It seems to me as if you are agreeing with what the shaykh says but because of your unreasonable hatred towards him you are causing troubles amongst the Muslims saying dont listen to Shaykh Yasir but listen to Shaykh Hamza, Even when they would say the same thing in the end! maybe with just different words. Shaykh Hamza would not approve of your actions, as I know him quite well….backstage passes ;P!

    23. ahmad June 12th, 2009 at 9:36 pm

      @Salam
      Yasir Qadhi had very good points, and his logic was flawless. As he said, the motion was very broad and that most likely caused confusion in the audience, thus the results must have been skewed.

    24. right June 12th, 2009 at 9:39 pm

      You mean the Christians and Jews back then were better than they are today? The same people who were against the teachings of Prophet (saw) while he was ALIVE were actually better for us to marry? … Interesting viewpoint.

      So when Allah says in the Quran that it’s ok for men to marry the women of the book, it really doesn’t apply these days?

    25. Koorosh Vahabi June 12th, 2009 at 10:06 pm

      Here is what I saw:

      Nomani had a bad personal experience in marriage and based her whole argument on that. Habbash was also coming from a personal narrow viewpoint.

      Thurraya’s main point was that all women may choose the wrong husband based on their physical desires and therefore the family should guide her and protect her from that. This was her main and only point.

      Yasir Qadhi on the other hand spoke from the Quran and Sunnah and NOT from a personal experience or viewpoint.

    26. Koorosh Vahabi June 12th, 2009 at 10:15 pm

      One thing that they didn’t mention was that one of the reasons Islam has forbidden Muslim women to marry non-Muslim men is because the husband (usually being the more dominant one) can impose his religious views on the children.

    27. Chip June 13th, 2009 at 1:58 am

      al-suyuufi, I totally agree. Even though Islam is a unique religion which I believe represents the final word of God, there is more common ground between practicing Christians and Jews than those that hardly do. A Muslim man cannot marry a woman just because she comes from a Christian and Jewish family. She has to actually have faith and be observant of her religion.

      While Christians and Jews did not have had the belief in the Prophet (PBUH), but their day to day lifestyle was not as different from muslims. Moreover, most actually practiced their religion. And of course, even back then, God still made a distinction between those non-muslims that practiced and those that didn’t.

      Point is that even a muslim man has to be very careful when deciding to marry a non-muslim woman. There are still conditions that could make his marriage invalid in the eyes of Allah. Just as importantly, he has to decide if the marriage will allow him to stay close to Allah. Otherwise, the family would be practically without any faith in God. His own salvation and his future children’s salvation depends on this decision.

    28. Sista June 13th, 2009 at 4:32 am

      The motion was just way too broad.
      Subhan’Allah, Shaykh YQ has a whole lot of patience Masha’Allah.
      I was boiling up just sitting in my chair. lol.
      “No conditions is no boundaries. No boundaries is no religion. It’s that simple. ” worrrd. may Allah grant you the highest stage in Jannah, Shaykh!!!

    29. Salam June 13th, 2009 at 9:56 am

      @Farooq: Wow, you are accusing me of hatred simply b/c I gave my opinion. I “agree” with what Shaykh Yasir said, it is the “way” it was said. This is something that is developed over time a/f dealing with these issues. If I hated Shaykh Yasir, I would not refer to him as Shaykh, plus, read my post, I said the “wrong scholar” was selected, again, if i hated him as you say, i would never refer to him as a scholar. I also believe Shaykh Nuh, Shaykh Yakubi, Sidi Mohammed al-Shareef would not have been the right person, simply b/c they do not deal with these issues “all” the time, and Allah knows best.

    30. Al Sudani June 13th, 2009 at 1:41 pm

      Masha’Allah @ Shiekh Yasir Qadhi! (Y)

    31. Aminah June 14th, 2009 at 11:31 am

      I believe that both sides are wrong. There is no DEBATE about what Allah has made clear through the Quran and Sunnah, and Allah knows best.

    32. zaid June 14th, 2009 at 12:38 pm

      I think it was lady sitting next to Shaiykh Yasir Qadhi who dominated the entire debate. I am forgetting her name.

    33. mystrugglewithin June 14th, 2009 at 7:36 pm

      For these democracy-oriented, for-the-motion people, nothing works. What pleases them is their own interpretations.

      As for the 62:38, number doesn’t matter in Islam :) What matters is that we have shaykhs like Yasir Qadhi to help us stay on the straight path, subhanAllah. May Allah SWT bless us all with guidance, and tawfeeq to keep aside our egos and the pride; above all, may Allah, The Exalted, bless us with more shaykhs like Yasir Qadhi, ameen.

    34. Azeem June 16th, 2009 at 7:56 pm

      A response to the opening statement. Every choice is a personal choice. Choosing to be a Muslim is a choice. Choosing to follow Islam after claiming to be one is also a choice. Following some Islamic injunctions and ignoring others is also a choice. So if you ask me… Allah (S) has given us the choice to do right or wrong. We have the obligation of conveying what we consider guidance and its up to individuals to make their own choices. I don’t see what the point is of forcing anyone into doing anything.

    35. SGA June 18th, 2009 at 2:07 am

      Assalamu ‘Alaikum,

      i agree with those who said it was too broad…

      They focused waaaay too much on this…
      Muslims have enough difficulty trying to marry the pious Muslim Hafidh brother who is from the same country, speaks the same language, follows the same customs and traditions – but AUTHUBILLAH he’s from a different village!!

      If there is 1/3782378291797 women who wants to marry a Christian…ok.
      majority of people won’t accept that as from islam, but if she does it…there is nothing short of locking her up in a room and beating the fear of God into her that the family can do..
      you might be able to keep her from the marriage, but who will change her heart?
      you try your best to raise your daughters AND SONS and make dua for them…and leave it to Allah…
      we all go through difficulties and sin…
      we can all realize it with Allah’s grace and mercy and ask for forgiveness…
      May Allah guide us all
      All Praise is due to Allah; He is so Merciful

    36. Abdul Vakil June 21st, 2009 at 8:01 pm

      @Salam: Ustadh Yasir Qadhi did a fantastic job presenting the case of Islam with regards to the motion for this debate. Alhamdulillah. May Allah azza wa jall preserve him and reward him immensely for his efforts. Ameen. His reward is with Allah ta’ala, not in the reactions of the people. Why do you feel he was not articulate? Was he mumbling? Did he fail in illustrating his points comprehensively? His opening statement was the only one which systematically deconstructed the motion, bit by bit, through clarifiying the distinction b/w the cultural/tribal prejudices, forced marriages and other ills brought about from various cultures (outside Islam) and the true message of Islam in light of it’s conditions set on marriage. I agree he could’ve been a bit more expletive on the topic of unanamious concesus, but he handled the motion in a very scholarly and Sunnah-observed manner. What’s your reasoning for suggesting otherwise?

      BTW Al Maghrib Institute and its courses focus exclusively on matters, principles and ethics derived from al-Qur’an wa Sunnah and nothing outside these sources such as feelings or individual interpretation (i.e. bid’ah). So I’m not clear what you were suggesting in your other comment either. How is Al Maghrib Inst. or Yasir Qadhi irrelevant to Islam and/or the Muslim youth?

      wa’salaamu ‘alaikum wa rahmatullah

    37. YEAAAH June 27th, 2009 at 7:31 pm

      I read these comments here before i watched the video and some of you guys confused me.

      In reality, Asra was owned in the beginning of the show by the host. Her arguments were so weak. You could see her desperation by saying “you’re not alone, you’re not alone” “i’ll come to your wedding” and so much more.

      Plus i didn’t see Shaykh YQ get schooled, what debate were you watching? :S

      He had the best answers and if there was more time, he could’ve even elaborated.

    38. mystrugglewithin June 27th, 2009 at 8:55 pm

      @YEAAAH – He had the best answers and if there was more time, he could’ve even elaborated.

      Who disagreed?! [angry face]

    39. aru August 28th, 2009 at 2:07 am

      I agree with Koorosh Vahabi’s saying

      One thing that they didn’t mention was that one of the reasons Islam has forbidden Muslim women to marry non-Muslim men is because the husband (usually being the more dominant one) can impose his religious views on the children.

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