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A settler tosses wine at a Palestinian woman on Shuhada Street in Hebron. The approach of some settlers towards neighboring Palestinians, especially around Nablus in the north and Hebron in the south, has often been one of contempt and violence.

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Wallahi, if that happened to me, I’d beat the crap out of that guy. As you can see the Palestinian woman continues to walk by without reacting. This is the ultimate jihad (struggle) and sabr (patience). May Allah reward her and grant her the highest jannah. Ameen!

May Allah make it easy for the oppressed and protect them.

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  • 88 Responses for "Ultimate Jihad and Sabr in Palestine – Picture of Israeli throwing wine on Palestinian Woman"

    1. Abu Ibrahim September 15th, 2009 at 1:07 am

      SubhanAllah, may Allah azza wa jal throw rain that burns like acid on him and those like him. Take a good look at the sister my brothers and sisters… by the looks of it she is not young at all… if you see this pic. and your not inflamed with anger then pretend thats your mother… well if you think about it she is the mother of your Muslim brother or sister so she is your mother… May Allah azza wa jal raise her ranks in Jannah and allow her to drink the best of drinks in Jannah from the hands of Rasul Allah 3alahi salaat wa salaam. Ameen Ameen thuma Ameen

    2. Arif Kabir September 15th, 2009 at 1:07 am

      If this was to happen in It also shows how downgraded our Muslim Ummah is for not doing anything in the situation. EVEN our Muslim tyrants did something against such racism – When a Muslim woman was captured in the time of Hajjaj Ibn Yusuf (who killed many righteous Tabi’), he sent her a letter saying, “For your release, I will amass an army – the back of which will be at me, and the front of it will be at you.” He lived to his word and was able to liberate the lady. What are WE doing?!

      May Allah punish all the transgressors and bring justice.

    3. irshad September 15th, 2009 at 1:25 am

      ONE DAY WILL COME
      TILL WE ILL BE WAITING TO GET A CHANCE

    4. burhan September 15th, 2009 at 2:07 am

      Subhan Allah. Just gross.

    5. . September 15th, 2009 at 2:33 am

      Very sad picture.
      Btw, there is adverts on ur blog about jewish singles accompanied by pictures. I don’t know if you know about this but it might be better to sort this out. Jzk

    6. miloservic September 15th, 2009 at 4:19 am

      NHK, a japan’s documentary channel had broadcasted a film about the zionist extremists

      the title of that is ユダヤ过激派 ~イスラエル 终わらない戦い~
      with an english subtitle : the next war radical zionists in holy land.

      don’t know whether it can be found on youtube, cause i can’t visit youtube ….

    7. Sulayman F September 15th, 2009 at 6:24 am

      There is something insidious about this, like kicking someone who is already down. That’s like mugging an old lady, and he’s not even doing it for money or any real gain.

    8. Phil September 15th, 2009 at 8:27 am

      May the settler be guided and may the woman be increased in sabr and rank.

    9. Abu Abdullah September 15th, 2009 at 8:36 am

      Yeah just practice sabar and be chickens in your homes with your wives and children.

      All of you forget that Allah has ordained jihad against these sons of pigs and monkeys.

      Some of you are so scared that you will never utter the J**** word…

      Some of our ulemas would be quick to condemn the mujahideen attacks on the dirty kuffar but will never open their mouths when American pigs attack and kill muslim children, shame on all of the cowards of this glorious ummah…

    10. 'Abd ul-Ghafûr September 15th, 2009 at 8:53 am

      Yeah, and you’re much better, aren’t you, Abu Abdullah?

      Walk the walk–get off the Net and start practicing what you preach.

    11. Said Bak September 15th, 2009 at 12:44 pm

      MR wrote “Wallahi, if that happened to me, I’d beat the crap out of that guy.” – I felt the excact same way… beat his face to a bloody pulp. It never seizes to amaze how much hatred these enemies of Allah have for the believers. I’d like to see that punk try to throw wine at a young Palestinian male his own size.

    12. Abu Osama September 15th, 2009 at 2:06 pm

      Assalamu Aleikum Warahmatullah

      Allahu’Mustaan this is a very difficult situation for our brothers and sisters there. On one hand you have the filthy Jews who daily makes your day hard, then you have their freinds, brothers from Hamas who also makes your day hard or even kill the muwahideen. May Allah strenghen the Mujahideen there and guide the people to Islam…Ameen

      May Allah accept all your Ibaadah this month…this is a golden chance to ask Allah to help the opressed people around the world.

    13. Zookeeper September 15th, 2009 at 2:54 pm

      I can’t even explain how this picture makes me feel. May Allah avenge her and burn that filthy kuffar in hell, and make all his children the best of Muslims, May Allah make his children Mujahid and shaheed for the sake of Allah, Amen.

    14. Abu Osama September 15th, 2009 at 4:57 pm

      <<<<>>>>

      With all due and respect to you brother, then I advice you not to sit and talk Jihad without actions. Have seen it kind for years now, and maybe its good not to mention the J**** word, if no actions behind it. Allah says in the Quran, that the worse people are those who say what they do not practise! Remember that!!! Wallah akhi I feel the same as you, and it bothers me not to kick their ass, I personal think we should clean out at our own door step, before expecting to slaughter the jews etc in a huge Jihad battle.

      There are too many munafiqeen amongst us, which first should be fought, such as the Murtad gov, their soldiers, police and intelligence forces, and then there is a huge lack of understanding of Tawheed too, in fact some people would claim Islam such as Hamas, and then seek help from Mushrikeen and Murtad’deen amongst our “Ummah” then they fight for the sake of Arab nationalism and kufr laws. Once we start to recognize tawheed and act upon it, Allah will give us victory in Gaza and Quds, like the way He help the Mujahideen in Somalia etc. And Allah knows best!

    15. Frank September 15th, 2009 at 9:13 pm

      This is what happens when people don’t finish something off. If the war was allowed to be finished, neither side would be living with the other. If the Palestinians relied on weapons and fighting ability instead of an invisible entity (God/Allah), Palestinian hip hop groups, cyber warriors, and marxist protest they might have defeated the Jews!

    16. Phil September 15th, 2009 at 10:55 pm

      Frank they did that, that is why they are where they where they are. Fatah were basically a non religious organization, which essentially ran the “Palestinian struggle” until quite recently. And if you look at it objectively Hizbullah probably has done better in its fights with the Israelis than most of the Arab armies.

    17. Dawud Israel September 15th, 2009 at 11:53 pm

      Worse was done to our Nabi salallahu alayhi wasalam…someone care to remind us how he dealt with it?

    18. Frank September 16th, 2009 at 12:19 am

      If the Palestinians and Jews just had an all out war and settled their problems once and for all this conflict would no longer be in the current news cycle. The Jews and Palestinians love life more then they love death. Both are content with this low intensity “conflict” because it makes them money. If it wasn’t for the conflict both these countries would have a quality of life on par with Senegal or Pakistan. While fools cry for them they continue to live off the charity of others.

    19. Frank September 16th, 2009 at 12:41 am

      al-suufuyi you sound like one of them guys who claim so many Indonesians died because they weren’t pious enough. The truth is the Palestinians have always invoked religion in their struggle. Hamas are quite religious and in the last military conflict with Israel at the start of this year they killed only a few Jews while their side took big casulties. Religion can’t win a war, but it can comfort a loser !

    20. Umm Nazeeya September 16th, 2009 at 1:30 am

      Assalamu Alaikum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuh

      I had to practice sabr before replying to the post. May Allah Subhana Wa Ta’ala keep this…our dear Ukhti firm in her Iman.

      There will always be the cowards and pigs who will only attack whom they perceive as “weaker” than themselves. Wallahi I could only wish there had been a brother nearby who would have made this animal lick the wine from streets!

      May we all as Muslims never become so conditioned to seeing violence and abuse that we only give it a passing glance. If nothing else the least we can do (I speak for myself first) is too make du’aa for all of our sisters and brothers in every Ummah.

    21. Abu Osama September 16th, 2009 at 1:34 am

      Hamas are not religious at all, in fact, they have betrayed our religion, by killing our own people and ruling with kufr (non-Islamic) laws. They are the true friends of the jews to be honest.

      A person cannot claim Islam, if no actions behind it and it dosen’t matter how much they shoot in the air and shout Allah’Akbar etc. Allah will forgive all our sins, except Shirk. And shirk is what Hamas practise!

      And as for just turning the other cheek, then that is nonsense and a great misunderstanding of the prophets life (s.a.w). He ordered us to fight back and Allah cammanded us to do this as well. The truth is, that the real Jihad nowadays is, against the hypocrites amomgst our Ummah, such as Fatah and Hamas and their likes.

    22. Frank September 16th, 2009 at 1:44 am

      Yeah, Hamas is actively fighting the Jews and have killed thousands of them in the past. They are Arabs and can actually read and recite the Koran. Unlike you who are probably a black American whose jihaad is firing up the PC and logging on to the internets ! har har har

      You might be a Jew spreading disinfo to make Muslims look like a bunch of idiots.

    23. Maverick September 16th, 2009 at 7:07 am

      salamualaikum

      To “Arif Kabir” – the event you are referring to was not at the time of Hajjaj, but rather during the reign of Mu3tasima, and the woman was a Muslim woman who was dishonored in public in the Greek city of Ammouria. When Mu3tasim heard about it, he sent a letter to the governor of that Greek province demanding that he hand over the men responsible for that crime. And that if he didn’t, then an army would be sent out, so massive that the front of it would reach that city while the rearguard was still leaving Baghdad. Mu3tasim remained true to his word when that governor refused to hand over those men. The city was annexed and came under Muslim rule, the men were caught and punished.

      The rest of you seriously need to calm down. Ranting and raving like mad lunatics on the web doesn’t comfort that woman, nor does it make that man reconsider his actions.

      To “al-suyuufi” – Dawud is right on the money. Prophet Muhammad [saws] was patient both when people spoke evil about him, as well as when they would throw garbage and other waste upon him as he passed by or even when he was in sujoud. It is sad that you seek to minimize the Sunnah by branding it as “sentimentalism”. Subhanallah.

      MR – you said you’d beat the crap out of the guy, and if you did that you’d be playing directly into the hands of Jewish extremists who are looking for any and all excuses to start riots and conflicts that would eventually lead to the expulsion of more Muslim families from the city.

      Everyone needs to calm down and practice restraint. The same way Ali [ra] practiced restraint when he was spat upon in the middle of actual battle.

    24. Malik September 16th, 2009 at 7:08 am

      How about that star of David graffity on shutters of what looks likes a Muslim Store?!

      This is Ramadan, something all of you can do now is, raise your hands and make dua!

    25. AS September 16th, 2009 at 8:06 am

      Sad

    26. Abu Ibrahim September 16th, 2009 at 12:56 pm

      @ Dawud Israel: something along the same lines happened with our our Nabi salallahu alayhi wasalam with Banu Qaynuqaah…do you care to remind us how he dealt with it?

    27. Maverick September 16th, 2009 at 2:22 pm

      Abu Ibrahim –

      Bani Qaynuqa, by their actions towards a Muslim woman in the market, broke their terms of peace with the Muslims and were dealt with.

      Has the man above broken any such similar treaty with any Muslim nation?

    28. Zookeeper September 16th, 2009 at 2:53 pm

      Frank, i dont like to assume but you sound like a kafir. And If you’re not a kafir you should be ashamed that you sound like a kafir.

      What you said is ignorant and offensive, being arab doesn’t make someone a better Muslim. Being a Black American doesn’t make someone less of a Muslim.

      People who are unable or are simply not doing anything to change this situation can at least hate it in their heart. Don’t shush ppl for expressing that hate. Its part of being a Muslim. InshaAllah we can all change and learn from this and our children will be better than us.

      Don’t forget to make dua for the sister and the Muslims at large.

    29. Frank September 16th, 2009 at 3:11 pm

      Zookeeper I don’t buy into the lies of eternal life given by some invisible entity, so I guess that makes me a kafir in your world view. When I was a Muslim the majority of Muslims I came across were African Americans, and a great deal of them were Muslim in dress only. A lot of them couldn’t even properly recite surah al fatihah after being Muslim for years Even today I can see African American Muslims eating during the day when it is ramadan. The simple fact that these Palestinians have Arabic as their native tongue, and they live in a much more Islamic enviorment we can assume they are better Muslims then some of the idiots on this thread who’ve called Hamas kafirs. The average Palestinian is under great social pressure to be a pious Muslim, while a Muslim in the United States is not. To site here and deny the fact an Arab doesn’t have an upper hand when it comes to Islam is laughable.

    30. Dawud Israel September 16th, 2009 at 4:23 pm

      Our vision should not be of slaughtering the Jews and the state of Israel- rather our vision should be to bring ALL the Zionists and all other Enemies of Allah to Islam. Period.

      That is all our mission is.

      That was our Prophet salallahu alayhi wasalam’s way of thinking and he succeeded in bringing God’s enemies to Islam. And we won’t start thinking like the Prophet salallahu alayhi wasalam did until we imbibe Islam ourselves and develop those cognitive frames, we’re going nowhere and we are no better than murderers.

    31. Zookeeper September 16th, 2009 at 4:47 pm

      Frank,

      So you’re worse than a kafir, you’re a murtad.

      I know MANY Indo-pakistani, BLACK africans, WHITE americans who actually took their time, money, and effort to learn arabic. They are not arabs. Actually in africa learning arabic is a must for Muslim school kids, so it comes natural.

      I know ppl that don’t speak arabic at all and they have perfect tajweed when reciting Quran.

      Never mind that none of this has anything to do with ones religious commitment. Maybe you just focus on black americans faults or something but there are many muslims from all types of backgrounds that have varying levels of religious commitment and knowledge.

      I cant believe I have to explain this…Frank …the Murtad. smh

    32. Maverick September 16th, 2009 at 5:35 pm

      Frank, its good to quit while you’re ahead.

      There are many Muslims of all stripes and colors – in America, and around the world, that cannot recite surah al-Fatiha properly, despite being born Muslim. You’ll note that being able to recite surah al-Fatiha is not a requisite for one’s status as a Muslim. Many of the Companions, including many famous ones such as Khalid bin Waleed and Ikrimah ibn Abi Jahl were Muslims for years and years and yet they barely learned more than just a few small suwaar.

      So, pointing out that XYZ Muslim doesn’t even know how to recite surah al-Fatiha means nothing as far as his / her Muslim status is concerned.

      Secondly, your presumption that being an Arab means you have an upper hand in understanding or practicing Islam is extremely erroneous. The arabic language in general has two different broad flavors – one is colloquial Arabic of which there are a wide number of dialects, and the other type is formal Arabic. A third type is the Arabic of the Qur’an, and if you go up and ask the average Arab if the language of the Qur’an is anything like those other two broad categories, they will say no.

      Not to mention the fact that Prophet Muhammad [saws] clearly and explicitly stated that an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab. A white man has no superiority over a black man, and vice versa.

      So you can sit there and assume all you want, but please rest assured the only thing that is laughable is your arrogant ignorance.

      @ Dawud, mashallah. Kick it yo.

    33. Maverick September 16th, 2009 at 5:58 pm

      al-suyuufi, how come we don’t see you agitating the same way for other lands … like Spain or India, which have been occupied for far longer?

      Why these double-standards? Or do you just like jumping on whatever the most popular bandwagon is at the time?

    34. Zaytoon88 September 16th, 2009 at 8:30 pm

      Okay, the ultimate Jihad is for the Muslim armies to liberate Palestine from the oppression of the kuffar,. not for defencless women to get filth thrown at them by Jews. This whole ‘jihad ul nafs” stuff is getting waaaaay too carried away by some people to avoid offending any non-muslims.

      But I do agree, its an example of Sabr.

    35. Maverick September 16th, 2009 at 8:30 pm

      Really?

      Are you speaking from experience? Do you have experience in prioritizing such demanding tasks? Why is Palestine a priority over Kashmir? or over Afghanistan?

      Is there any historical precedent for such prioritization?

    36. Zaytoon88 September 16th, 2009 at 8:48 pm

      Well, you assume that I am a Palestinian nationalist. I am not. I hold the same views for all occupied Muslim land. But this specific article is about Palestine.

      Perhaps if you stopped apologizing for the kuffar, you would have realized that:D

    37. Maverick September 16th, 2009 at 8:56 pm

      Zaytoon88 – Please note I was talking to al-suyuufi, and not you.

      Also, please refrain from characterizing my remarks and stances as “apologizing for the kuffar.”

      Thanks.

    38. Zaytoon88 September 16th, 2009 at 9:42 pm

      Sorry, for the misunderstanding.

      With that out of the way……

      Stop apologizing for the Kuffar

    39. Maverick September 17th, 2009 at 12:15 am

      Until you learn some advanced comprehension skills, “Zaytoon88″ you’re basically wasting your breath.

      As always, thanks for trying.

    40. Maverick September 17th, 2009 at 10:36 am

      I didn’t claim that you said Palestine is the only priority. You were implying that some lands are more important than others. So stop beating about the bush and answer the questions.

      Are you speaking from experience?
      How do you prioritize one land above others?
      What historical precedent – if any – is there for such prioritization?

    41. Frank September 17th, 2009 at 1:11 pm

      Maverick and Zookeeper you both are apologist. Islam has been heavily influenced by Arabs, as it was born and grew in the Arab world, to deny this is to deny the sun doesn’t rise in the East. The Palestinians are actively fighting for their land, while you two sit back in the United States and fund the enemy of Muslims with your tax dollars. You’re in no position to judge the Palestinians.

    42. Maverick September 17th, 2009 at 3:34 pm

      Frank,

      You’ve already shown that you really don’t know what you’re talking about. So please don’t expect me (for starters) to give your written excrement the kind of attention you desire.

    43. Maverick September 17th, 2009 at 7:22 pm

      To al-suyuufi:

      Absent any clear and unequivocal statement from you denying great-er / est priority to Palestine, I will of course presume that you are indeed giving it the highest priority. If not, then please state which other troubled lands have greater priority.

      The mujahideen themselves are not one unified entity. There are various, disparate groups with different goals. You cannot possibly claim to speak based on observational inference either, otherwise my observations and opinions are as valid as yours.

      Your assumptions drawn from your understanding of my statements is wrong.

      I was being very specific about probable personal responses to such provocation – I am not referring to the broader stance that Muslims should have towards the status of Palestine (or other lands for that matter). I clearly said that Jewish settlers were looking to provoke confrontation that wold rationalize heavy handed measures such as mass expulsion, among other responses. This is a standard tactic seen around the world used by zealots – case in point being the recent riots in Bradford. Several youth who were not even involved in physical violence were jailed. For nothing. Because of the rash and unrefined actions of a few, many will pay a heavy price. For nothing.

      Nor did I advocate sitting on our hands and doing nothing.

      A better response in my opinion, on a global scale, a multi-pronged campaign that involves action on different fronts including finance, law, media, demographics, and more. Physical response is a small facet of that campaign and should be limited to geographically local responses to directly and unprovoked physical aggression in which a clear distinction is maintained between armed combatants and un-armed non-combatants.

    44. Zookeeper September 17th, 2009 at 10:33 pm

      Maverick Maybe he is talking about Palestine because that is what the blog post is about. Also Palestine is the location of the 3rd most holy site in Islam, Al Aqsa Mosque, which makes it very sensitive location.

      there are a lot of muslims no one talks about, like Muslims in China, or Ethiopia.

    45. Frank September 17th, 2009 at 11:13 pm

      Maverick I see you have no problem with telling lies and making erroneous statements. A Muslims has to know surah al fatiha to say the daily prayers, which is mandatory in Islam. If one doesn’t do this they are not a Muslim. Muslims believe ALLAH sent the Korand down and communicates in ARABIC, not Urdo, Pashtu, Turkish, English, or your favorite- ebonics ! You want to act like this is no big deal, which is a lie, it is one of the first things a convert or Muslim past puberty has to learn. It seperates a Muslim from a non Muslim. You also deny that an Arab speaker is not going to have an easier time learning Islamic knowledge or reciting prayers than a non native Arab is laughable. It doesn’t matter if Koranic Arabic is not the same as modern day Arabic, they both have many similarties, and gives ARABS a HUGE edge. This shows you lack humility so much you wont even agree with me when I’m correcto !

    46. Maverick September 18th, 2009 at 12:20 am

      @Zookeeper – I am well aware of the sentimental importance of Bayt al Maqdis in Islamic history. I am not, however, aware of any precedent that prioritizes that house above other lands. Nowhere in scholarly Islamic discourse – be it Shk. Azzam or Shk. John Doe – have I read such. But hey, I am just an average layman. What do I know. I’m asking in order to learn and evaluate. That’s why I was asking suyuufi to elaborate, which so far he has failed to do. The other reason I was asking him was to see if he could clearly and coherently articulate his value proposition. This is a critical requirement in order to gain any meaningful traction on this issue, and if those in his camp cannot sell their idea to their own fellow Muslims, they won’t be able to do it to anyone else.

      @Frank – I repeat yet again: knowing how to recite Surah al-Fatiha is not a cardinal article of faith that the absence of which would negate someone’s status as a Muslim. There are plenty – millions – of Muslims don’t know how to recite Surah al-Fatiha and yet they are still Muslim.

      If you want to be taken seriously, try presenting textual evidence for your stance, otherwise you’re just spinning your wheels.

    47. Frank September 18th, 2009 at 12:35 am

      @Maverick Islam has a mandatory set of prayers that must be prayed in Arabic only. If you can’t recite these prayers in Arabic your prayers are invalid, same if you don’t face toward mecca, or don’t preform the ritual cleansing. There is nothing more to explain, it is that simple, cut and dry !Prayer is the second pillar of Islam. In your Islam I guess there is four? Or are there other pillars you avoid? I got this from a website, it supports my claims !

      Question:
      I used to read Qur’aan every day but I did not pray. I heard some people say that it is haraam for a person who does not pray to read Qur’aan, so I stopped reading Qur’aan. Is this right? Please advise us, may Allaah reward you with good.

      Answer:
      Praise be to Allaah.

      Prayer is the greatest pillar of Islam after the Shahaadatayn. The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Between a person and kufr and shirk stands the abandonment of prayer.” (Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 2766. Classed as saheeh by Ibn Maajah, 1078, and by al-Albaani).

      Salaah is so called because it is a connection (silah) between a person and his Lord. Whoever does not pray, his zakaah, fasting, Hajj, jihaad, enjoining of what is good, forbidding of what is evil, reading of Qur’aan and upholding of family ties will not be accepted. Indeed, all his good deeds will be rejected if he does not pray.

      The scholars, including Imaam Ahmad, said that whoever does not pray should be executed as a kaafir, and his body should not be washed or shrouded, the funeral prayer should not be offered over him, he should not be buried in the Muslims’ graveyard and his Muslim heirs cannot inherit from him.

      It is not permissible for you to abandon prayer, because you never know when death will catch you unawares.

      The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said at the end of his life, during his final sickness:

      “(Adhere to) prayer, (adhere to) prayer and (take care of) those whom your right hands possess (i.e., slaves).”

      (Narrated by Imaam Ahmad, 3/117; Ibn Maajah, 2697; Ibn Hibbaan, 1220. Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in al-Irwaa’, no.2178).

      Prayer is the pillar of Islam. Imaam Ahmad said: Your share of Islam is according to your share of prayer. What we want for you is for you to pray regularly, doing the prayers on time with the Muslims in their mosques. It is haraam for you to abandon prayer, for abandoning it is kufr. This issue has been discussed in great detail by the scholars in their books. And it was said that (the one who abandons prayer) is to be executed as a punishment, as is well known. And Allaah knows best.

      Fataawa Samaahat al-Imaam ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Humayd, p. 86

      http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17744

    48. Maverick September 18th, 2009 at 12:48 am

      I’ll repeat yet again, very slowly – Please provide solid, textual evidence that a Muslim who cannot recite Surah-al-Fatiha properly [or even at all] is not a Muslim.

      In case you feel helpless in the face of my request and you just can’t perform, I’ll make it easy for you.

      There are six mandatory segments to salah – the initial takbeer, qiyaam, qiraa’at, ruku’, as-sijdayn, and qadaa.

      Reciting al-Fatiha is waajib, and not fard, and BILLIONS of Muslims (including myself) routinely perform mandatory prayers without EVER reciting al-Fatiha simply because when we are standing in Jam’aah behind an imam, his recitation is sufficient for us, we simply remain quiet.

      Sorry Frank, but you fail. You were standing on thin ice before blowing a lot of hot air, I gave you several chances to get on solid ground, but you refused.

      Hope you know how to swim.

      Cheers.

    49. Frank September 18th, 2009 at 1:31 am

      Nice try liar, here is a guide from an Islamic site for converts. Your attempts to use semantics and move the goal post are gonna get past me !

      Salat (contact or link prayers) is the name for the obligatory prayers which are performed five times a day, and are a direct contact or link between the worshipper and God with no earthly intermediaries.

      The five-time prayers become obligatory from the moment a person embraces Islam. This is an extremely important tenet of Islam and has been enjoined with great emphasis in the Holy Quran. It is a form of worship which establishes the link between man and his Creator and Benefactor, GOD. Through ‘Salat’ a person communes with his Lord, the Creator and the Sustainer of the Universe.

      Just as performing ‘Salat’ is obligatory, learning to perform it in the prescribed way is also obligatory so that one should know what he/she is saying to his/her Lord, and enjoy the full blessings and benefits of praying. In the performance of Salat , reciting the Ftiha (Sura 1 of the Quran) have to be said in Arabic.

      http://www.submission.org/salat-introduction.html

    50. Maverick September 18th, 2009 at 1:43 am

      Okay, I get it. You don’t know how to swim.

      You know Frank, you keep spitting into the wind. A normal man would have learned by now, but you? You must be insane. You keep doing the same dumb thing expecting different results.

      For your kind information, the website “submission.org” is run by a group of people who aren’t Muslim. They completely reject the teachings and commands of Prophet Muhammad [saws] and they claim to follow the Qur’an only. Accepting the commands and guidance of the Prophet is mandatory for all Muslims, as is mentioned in the Qur’an itself.

      The people you so pathetically quoted themselves have absolutely no answer when you ask them how they learned to pray – since nowhere in the Qur’an does it detail how to pray. It was Prophet Muhammad [saws] who taught us how to pray, with the command “sallu kama ra2aytu sallee” [perform your prayer as you see me pray].

      Thanks for trying yet again. Pick your face up off the floor and move along, little kid.

    51. Michel September 18th, 2009 at 3:51 am

      @ Frank;

      You said; “If you can’t recite these prayers in Arabic your prayers are invalid, same if you don’t face toward mecca, or don’t preform the ritual cleansing.”

      Where is the evidence to that? Where does it state that one who does not recite the prayers in Arabic, the prayer is invalid?

    52. Hamsawi September 18th, 2009 at 12:22 pm

      @ all of you talking crap about Hamas:

      How dare you criticize Hamas. Hamas has done more in their history for the Palestinian resistance movement and jihad than any other group or government or whoever.

      Who the hell are you to sit here and say they stop the mujahideen when they got shuhadaa like Sheikh Ahmad Yassin and Dr. Abdel Aziz al Rantissi and Nizar Rayyan and many, many more who’s blood is a testament to their commitment to JIHAD and AL AQSA. So watch ur mouth cuz for Palestinians THOSE are our MUJAHIDEEN.

      U punks never even been there, never even seen it but u got the nerve to talk about Hamas, who’s number of Shuhadaa is innumerable? Cuz YOU are the cowards, the ones that talk crap.

    53. Hamsawi September 18th, 2009 at 12:34 pm

      @ Maverick

      What a stupid comment you made. Of course Palestine is more important than Iraq, Afghanistan, or Kashmir. Yes, they are all important and all require jihad to cleanse the occupation of the kuffar. But Palestine is the home of Masjid al Aqsa, the first qibla and one of the only 3 masajid where your prayers are multiplied; it is the number 3 holiest site on Earth and is occupied. That is why jihad for all 3 is important, but for Palestine is the MOST important.

    54. Hamsawi September 18th, 2009 at 12:56 pm

      And in regards to all the Palestinian groups like Islamic Jihad, Fatah, PFLP, DFLP, etc. Fatah back in the day had many shuhadaa while fighting the Jews and actually was much more religious, but they been traitors and Murtaddeen ever since Oslo. Many other groups like Islamic Jihad, PFLP and DFLP and others also had many shuhadaa and contributed and still contribute to the jihad against the Jews.

      Some of these groups may not have had the right Islamic ideology behind them, like Hamas or Islamic Jihad does, but before any of you internet mujahideen talk crap about them know this:

      They’ve done more for the sake of Palestine, Al Quds, Masjid al Aqsa, and any jihad anywhere in the world than any of you internet mujahideen have. So shut the **** up and have some respect.

    55. miloservic September 18th, 2009 at 1:10 pm

      @ Hamsawi

      calm down plz, some people just can not feel how heavy the suppression is as you do.

      here is the UN report about Israeli war crimes in the Gaza war around the beginning of 2009:

      http://www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies/hrcouncil/specialsession/9/docs/UNFFMGC_Report.pdf

      and also, please read: Gaza’s Ground Zero: the police massacre
      >>> http://mondoweiss.net/2009/09/goldstone-went-to-gazas-ground-zero-the-police-massacre.html

    56. Rana September 18th, 2009 at 2:55 pm

      I’m really loopy today, but this wine looks like a feather. :-x

    57. Maverick September 18th, 2009 at 6:02 pm

      @Hamsawi: Calm down and stop raving like a madman. I asked for explicit precedent to be shown, and I acknowledged the sentimental value of al-Aqsa. If you can show me any scholar of any era clearly saying that Palestine takes precedence because of XYZ reasons, great – I’ll accept it. but please don’t try substituting your emotions in lieu of such evidence, thanks.

      @al-suyuufi: I’ve read Shk. Azzam’s works. I did not find him saying palestine was a priority above so-and-so other lands. In fact he clearly stated that he left the jihad in Palestine [during his time] because he found that the vast majority of fighters were in it for nationalistic reasons as opposed to being in it sincerely for the sake of Allah.

      But like I said, I’m just a layman. If you are in posession of any treatise written by him or other shyoukh, that clearly spell out how to stack and prioritize which lands over which, then please share it with us.

      Usually I’ve found that people are just rambling mostly on emotion and not much else. That’s why you get people like “Hamsawi” who’s persuasive skills are so lacking tat they have to resort to swearing. Wow. Real impressive.

    58. Hamsawi September 18th, 2009 at 6:28 pm

      @al suyyufi:

      1. Actually, Hamas today still is the same. They never agreed to compromise with 1967 borders or ever give up a claim to ALL of Palestine and Jerusalem. They always said it would be a temporary truce, or hudna, and this is done for strategic purposes. Obviously we saw what happened when they took control of the Palestinian government and were immediately turned on and isolated by Fatah, the murtad governments of the Middle East and Muslim world, and the rest of the world.

      Right now they are trying to survive and allow the people of Gaza to survive while trying to maintain the resistance. That’s why it’s disgusting that people disrespect them with all the hardship they’ve had to face while still continuing to fight the Jews. So don’t talk crap when they’re the only ones still fighting the Jews, without them there is no jihad in Palestine.

      2. Islamic Jihad does get funding from Shia governments, but so what. They still are Sunni, their followers are Sunni, and there’s no such thing as a Palestinian Shia. I’m Palestinian and have never in my life seen or heard of a single Palestinian Shia person. The government of Iran is the only ones who give them any funding, and so they take it, cuz the rest of the Arab governments like Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and the Gulf, care more about America and Washington than they do Al Quds. And Hezbollah is Shia too, but I respect and admire Hassan Nasrallah for what he stands for and has done more than any Arab or Muslim leader on Earth.

    59. Hamsawi September 18th, 2009 at 6:30 pm

      *by leader I mean any King or president of any Muslim country, not leader in general

    60. Zookeeper September 18th, 2009 at 7:53 pm
    61. Zookeeper September 18th, 2009 at 7:54 pm

    62. Maverick September 18th, 2009 at 10:34 pm

      @ suyuufi – are you taking that quote from Shk. Azzam’s to be equally applicable today? (since there doesn’t seem to be any difference between the issue of Afghanistan then and now, the USSR has simply been replaced with the USA)

      @ Hamsawi: Do you really think Iran gives money to Palestinian resistance movements because they care about al-Aqsa?

    63. Hamsawi September 18th, 2009 at 10:41 pm

      Here’s a quote about how Hamas regards a return to 1967 borders straight from Khaled Meshaal in 2009:

      Hamas seeks the establishment of a Palestinian state in the West Bank and Gaza based on their borders before the Six Day War, the group’s political leader Khaled Meshal told The New York Times in an interview published Tuesday.
      The Damascus-based official added, however, that his Islamist militant organization would only agree to a “long-term truce” that would be valid for 10 years.

      Even Sheikh Ahmad Yassin offered a 20 year long truce for return to 1967 borders, but these were always conditional and temporary.

      In addition, what Hamas says internally in Palestine and to western media is different. Many times, they are trying to twist the truth of their intentions or lie about their true intentions to American and Jewish media, because they are in war and lying is a strategic tool to hide your real motivation.

      Your point about the elections is valid, however especially since those elections were set up by the traitorous agreement of Oslo. However, Hamas has stated that they were finally motivated into participating in the election because they could not allow Fatah to continue controlling the government all the time and stealing the money of the Palestinians and giving more and more concessions to the Jews. This is why they joined, and also they saw it strategically as a way to force the world to give them legitimacy and thus strengthen them because they were elected. They also did not actually expect to win the election, it was a surprise because of how much the Palestinians hated the umalaa’ Fatah and still do. However, we can see that the fact they won the elections gave them no legitimacy to America and Israel, always talking about democracy, because they are hypocrites and this is not the first time they did this. So overall I agree that entering the elections was a mistake.

    64. Hamsawi September 18th, 2009 at 10:44 pm

      And you are right, we both want the same thing inshallah and know that it will happen in the end, Allah has promised us that. It is the responsibility of the ummah to maintain the jihad against the Jews until that day comes, however.

    65. Hamsawi September 18th, 2009 at 11:06 pm

      In terms of funding, money is money. I haven’t heard about Russians giving money to Hamas, but if that is true, i don’t see how that detracts from your support of the Chechen mujahideen. If Russia, or Venezuela, or Syria, or Iran has some interests which happen to be against Israel or America and want to give you money, why not take it that doesn’t mean you’re now loyal to them. Sheikh Abdullah Azzam and ibn Laden took money, arms, and training from the US in the 1970s because they had similar interests in wanting to defeat the USSR, this does not make them now have the same ideology. If Islamic Jihad destroys Israel, Iran does not become the ruler of Palestine somehow because Palestinians are not Shia and will not let that happen. When the Sunni Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE, Kuwait, Bahrain start giving some of their oil money to Palestinian mujahideen they could stop taking money from elsewhere, but right now they have to because there is no other money for them. Where can they go? Although I do believe that Iran is different from the other countries in that although they are Shia, they are the most sincere in their desire to free Palestine and Al Quds and destroy Israel, much more than any Arab government.

    66. Frank September 19th, 2009 at 12:10 am

      @Maverick once again you show yourself as being unethicla and pompous, typical of British Rand Corp Muslim. A Muslims has to pray Surah Al Fatiha in Arabic during the obligatory prayers. You tried to move the goal post by using the exscuse of praying behind a prayer leader, but it is not obligatory to pray behind a prayer leader or at a mosque. You’re a kafir buddy ! Michel here is my proof, right in your face, if you don’t pray Surah Al Fatiha in proper Arabic your prayers as a Muslim are invalid!!

      Question

      In Congregational prayer (Salah) while the Imam is reciting Fatiha, the followers should recite it at the same time or after he finishes it and say Amen?

      Fatwa

      All perfect praise be to Allaah, The Lord of the Worlds. I testify that there is none worthy of worship except Allaah, and that Muhammad , is His slave and Messenger.

      Reciting Al-Faatihah (Quran chapter 1) is one of the pillars of the prayer and it must be recited in every Rak’ah. The Prophet said: “The prayer of a person is invalid if he does not recite Al-Faatihah.” [Al-Bukhaari and Muslim]

      Al-Faatihah must be recited [it is a Waajib] by the Imaam and the person who prays individually alike, as well as by the people led in prayer according to the preponderant opinion of the scholars because of the previous Prophetic narration.

      Besides, the Prophet said: “Perhaps you are reciting the Quran behind your Imaam. They replied ‘yes’. He said: “Do not do so, except Al-Faatihah because whoever does not recite it, his prayer is void.” [Abu Daawood]

      The people led in prayer should recite it when the Imaam observes a short period of silence after uttering Aameen. This short pause is desirable so that the people led in prayer could recite it, and even if the Imaam does not observe a pause, they should recite it.

      Abu Salamah ibn ‘Abdur-Rahmaan said: “The Imaam observes two pauses: first when he starts the prayer, and secondly, when he finishes Al-Faatihah, so you should exploit this opportunity for reciting it.”

      Allaah Knows best.

      http://www.islamweb.net/ver2/Fatwa/ShowFatwa.php?lang=E&Id=81333&Option=FatwaId

    67. Maverick September 19th, 2009 at 12:23 am

      You mindlessly copy and pasted that big long drivel just to show that reciting al-Fatihah in solitary prayer is waajib? oh wow. that’s what I said several posts ago. Do you even read what I’m telling you?

      Try to learn the distinction between fard and waajib, and what the arkaan of salah are. And while you’re at it, you’ll find that its a majority opinion that al-Fatiha doesn’t need to be recited while praying in Jam’aah behind an imam.

      Until then, you just simply don’t know what you’re talking about.

    68. Frank September 19th, 2009 at 1:09 am

      Looks like your calling your own prophet a bull shitter then. He said a pray is invadlid if you don’t recite it. It is not compulsory to pray behind an imam, so your point isn’t worth a shekel. So your right and the prophet is wrong??

    69. Maverick September 19th, 2009 at 1:24 am

      No, you’re the one who’s wrong, plain and simple. You’re not a mufassir or a muhaddith, hell, you’re not even a Muslim so its unreasonable to expect you to know the various nuanced rulings on these subjects being discussed.

      Watching you trying to talk on this subject is like watching a little kid talking about a B2B-level subject he knows nothing about, just to impress someone.

    70. tiernobokar September 19th, 2009 at 5:34 am

      this image is horrible, but what are you guyz waiting to be offended by muslims persecuting people for their religion in malaysia, sudan or pakistan in the name of islam?
      and I am not even talking of arab muslims persecuting others muslims just because of their race(yeah arab racists muslims who are racists towards black people for more than 1400 years you heard me)
      always mourning about what people do to muslilms while ignoring what muslims do to others is just a hypocrite behavior.
      let’s clean our own house first

    71. MR September 19th, 2009 at 5:42 am

      Everyone discussing validity of Salah – Can you please take these random discussions away to some other site. Validity of prayer has nothing to do with my post. There are plenty of Muslim forums and discussion boards where you can discuss this.

      Frank – It’s pretty sad you are attacking Islam because of al-Fatiha. Many major religions have a language to learn such as Judaism, or Hinduism. There are some basic prayers that must be learned in the original language in order to pray. It’s fairly basic in Islam which is to learn Qur’anic Arabic so you can perform the obligatory prayers. If one doesn’t know it they should be learning it. Until they learn it they can recite what they know. No one really makes a big deal about this. I am not sure why you are so angry that we have to pray in Arabic and learn al-Fatiha. Jewish people have to learn Hebrew in order to pray.

      You probably may ask why learn Arabic? Well that was what the Qur’an was revealed it. In order to preserve the religion, Arabic is a must. You say Arabs have an advantage over non-Arabs. That may be true, but so do Africans and Asians (South Asia and South-East Asia). Languages like Swahili, Somali, Ethiopian, North African languages, West African languages, Farsi, Pashtu, Urdu, Hindi, Indonesian, Malay and many others have 1,000+ words that are similar or exactly the same as in Arabic. Also in the Muslim world, almost every child learns Arabic at a very young age no matter where they live. I learned it when I was small and I only speak English. So there is no real advantage an Arab has over a non-Arab except they can pronounce their ‘ayns better and they don’t say z for dh like desis, hahahaha, but all praise is for Allah who has made it really easy to learn. Half my family is Arab and they have to learn al-Fatiha the same way non-Arabs do and they take the same amount of time, so again here there is no real advantage.

      Hope that clarifies that inshaAllah. Since you were Muslim and left Islam, you may already know the Islamic terms I used, but if you don’t some of them, then please let me know so I can translate them into English. JazakAllah khair.

      Ma’salaama

      If you really dislike Islam and Muslims this much, why are you even on this site? Maybe your time on other places would prove more useful.

    72. MR September 19th, 2009 at 5:54 am

      @tiernobokar – Again you are ranting off to another unrelated post. Have you read my other posts about what Muslims should do? This post is more relevant to your rant.

    73. Frank September 19th, 2009 at 1:05 pm

      @al-suyuufi I care because I don’t like when a person is acting unethical intentionallyl, so I wont put up with people acting that way when dealing with me. Maverick knew he was wrong, but he is too stubborn and ashamed to admit it.

      @MR, I really don’t even know what your talking about with your predictable “your attacking Islam” rhetoric. I made a statement that you have to pray in Arabic to the Islamic god for your prayers to be valid, and that is true……

    74. Maverick September 19th, 2009 at 1:38 pm

      Frank, please. You’re just persisting because you kept getting served.

      You implied with your original derisive remark about people who couldn’t recite al-Fatiha properly even after “years” of being Muslim that they weren’t real Muslims, and I pointed out to you repeatedly that nowhere in Islam does it say that proper recitation of al-Fatiha is necessary for one’s eeman.

      After I pointed out that reciting al-Fatiha is not one of the arkaan of salaah, and that it’s only waajib, you became real flustered and started pulling up stuff from the wrong sources in an effort to save face.

      You don;t have to put up with me always schooling you. Because you could always just be quiet and quit talking about stuff you don’t know anything about.

    75. Michel September 19th, 2009 at 2:01 pm

      @ Frank;

      The proof you brought forth is about having to recite Al-Fatihah in prayer.

      That was not my question to you. I asked about reciting in ARABIC. I will repeat my previous post;

      – You said; “If you can’t recite these prayers in Arabic your prayers are invalid, same if you don’t face toward mecca, or don’t preform the ritual cleansing.”

      Where is the evidence to that? Where does it state that one who does not recite the prayers in Arabic, the prayer is invalid? -

      You haven’t shown me any evidence yet. Please do so. ;)

    76. Frank September 19th, 2009 at 2:06 pm

      The owner of this blog asked us to stop discussing what we are discussing. I will respect his demand, after i make one last point.I was right, your prophet said if you don’t recite surah al fatiha a prayer is invalid. If you don’t pray in Islam you’re not a Muslim, as the prayer is the second pillar and seperates a muslim from a non muslim, the idea behind Islam is prayer-worship. Your argument is the prophet of Islam is a liar when it comes to this ruling on prayer. If that is true why should we believe anything he said? Your argument defeats the purpose of Islam being a divine religion, because as you say the prophet lied about something as important as prayer. I think your stance here would make you a kafir, as you’re trying to change the religion. Once again I will ask, is your prophet a liar????

      BTW looking at the picture again, it looks like it is fake. The Palestinians do have a history of doctoring pictures and lying.

    77. Maverick September 19th, 2009 at 2:09 pm

      blah blah blah

      move along, kiddo.

      NEXT!

    78. Frank September 19th, 2009 at 2:19 pm

      @Michel I find your acting stupid to be childish. You can google “prayers must be said in Arabic” yourself, but you want to act like a little kid. When a person first converts to Islam and don’t know the Arabic prayers yet they are told to say “Allahu Akbar” instead of God is great, or the equivalent in their language. I don’t if you people were raised to be bad people, but you do a good job of it now…..

      So here ya go, from the top Sunni school in the world Al Azhar in Egypt!~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

      Moreover, Sheikh `Abdul-Majeed Subh, a prominent Al-Azhar scholar, adds:

      Reciting the Qur’an in Prayer in any language other than its original language renders the Prayer invalid. Translations of the Qur’an cannot be called Qur’an and thus the Qur’an cannot be substituted by translations no matter how accurate they are.

      However, imams can overcome the problem by delivering a lesson after or before the Prayer explaining the meanings of the verses that have been recited. This is because translations of the Qur’an are not Qur’an; rather they are exegeses for some apparent meanings of the Qur’an.

      According to my personal experience, reciting the Qur’an affects the hearts of non-Arabic-speaking Muslims and non-Muslims, and I know many who after listening to Qur’an embraced Islam after being affected by its recitation and guidance.

      So, those imams should recite the Qur’an in Arabic and be assured that their recitation will affect the second and third generations as well as other generations.

      http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1129443823472

    79. Michel September 19th, 2009 at 3:23 pm

      @ Frank;

      Lol. :)

      Source from – http://islamqa.com/en/ref/5410

      A new Muslim finding it difficult to recite al-Faatihah:

      “I am a native English speaker trying to learn Arabic, In Sha’ Allah. When I Alhamdu lillah embraced Islam, I memorized Surah Al-Fatihah from a transliteration of the Arabic. This fall I began to study more about salah (prayer) and in a book of fiqh I read that if a person omits or mispronounces 1 letter or vowel of Al-Fatihah in salah, his recitation is invalid. When I read this I became so worried, because although I am studying Arabic, there are some Arabic letters I still cannot pronounce at all, and some I cannot pronounce well. I started to listen to a taped recitation of Al-Fatihah and I love to hear it recited, but I feel discouraged because my recitation is so poor compared to the Qari’s. Since I read that ruling, I have become so nervous in my recitation of Al-Fatihah in salah that instead of focusing on the meaning, I think about how poor my pronunciation is. When I hear myself mispronouncing letters, I go back over the ayat, trying to correctly pronounce them again. But what happens is that I either make the same mistakes again or make new ones! Often I end up reciting Al-Fatihah more than once or a certain ayah more than once because I feel so worried that my prayers are not being accepted because I can’t pronounce some of the letters. I have become so nervous that sometimes I even mispronounce letters I usually can pronounce during my recitation. What should I do? May Allah reward you for any help you can give me.”

      Praise be to Allaah.

      1 – Reciting Soorat al-Faatihah is a pillar or essential part of prayer – according to the correct scholarly view – and it is obligatory upon the imam who leads the prayer, the one who prays behind an imam and the one who prays on his own.

      It was narrated from Abu Hurayrah that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever offers a prayer in which he does not recite Umm al-Kitaab (i.e., al-Faatihah), it is defective” – and he said it three times. It was said to Abu Hurayrah, (What if) we are behind the imam? He said, Recite it to yourself, for I heard the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say, “Allah said: I have divided prayer between Myself and My slave into two halves, and My slave shall have what he has asked for. When the slave says: Al-hamdu lillahi rabbi l-alamin (All the praises and thanks be to Allaah, the Lord of the ‘Aalameen (mankind, jinn and all that exists), Allah says: My slave has praised Me.

      And when he says: Ar-Rahmaan ir-Raheem (The Most Gracious, the Most Merciful), Allah (mighty and sublime be He) says: My slave has extolled Me

      and when he says: Maaliki yawm id-deen (The Only Owner (and the Only Ruling Judge) of the Day of Recompense (i.e. the Day of Resurrection)), Allah says: My slave has glorified Me – and on one occasion He said: My slave has submitted to My power.

      And when he says: Iyyaaka na’budu wa iyyaaka nasta’een (You (Alone) we worship, and You (Alone) we ask for help (for each and everything)), He says: This is between Me and My slave, and My slave shall have what he is asking for.

      And when he says: Ihdina’s-siraata’l- mustaqeem, siraat alladheena an’amta alayhim ghayril-maghdoobi alayhim wa la’ d-daalleen (Guide us to the Straight Way. The way of those on whom You have bestowed Your Grace, not (the way) of those who earned Your Anger, nor of those who went astray), He says: This is for My slave, and My slave shall have what he has asked for.”

      (Narrated by Muslim)

      So the worshipper must recite it properly in Arabic, because we are commanded to read and recite the Qur’aan as it was revealed.

      2 – Whoever is unable to pronounce it properly because of some defect in his tongue or because he is not an Arabic-speaker must learn to correct his pronunciation as much as he can.

      If he cannot, then he is relieved of this obligation, because Allaah does not burden people with more than they are able to bear.

      Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

      “Allaah burdens not a person beyond his scope”

      [al-Baqarah 2:286]

      3 – If a person is unable to recite al-Faatihah at all or is unable to learn it, or he has just become Muslim and the time for prayer has come and there is not enough time for him to learn it, then he is given a way out in the following hadeeth:

      It was narrated that ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Abi Awfa said: A man came to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and said: “O Messenger of Allaah, teach me something of the Qur’aan that will suffice me, for I cannot read.” He said, “Say: Subhaan-Allaah wa’l-hamdu Lillaah wa laa ilaaha ill-Allaah wa Allaahu akbar wa laa hawla wa la quwwata illa Billaah (Glory be to Allaah, praise be to Allaah, there is no god except Allaah and Allaah is Most great, there is no god except Allaah and there is no power and no strength except with Allaah).” The man made a grabbing gesture with his hand (indicating that he had learned a lot) and said, “This is for my Lord, what is there for me?” He said, “Say: Allaahumma ighfir li warhamni wahdini warzuqni wa ‘aafini (O Allaah, forgive me, have mercy on me, guide me, and grant me provision and good health).” He made another grabbing gesture with his other hand and stood up.

      (Narrated by al-Nasaa’i, 924; Abu Dawood, 832. Its isnaad was classed as jayyid by al-Mundhiri in al-Targheeb wa’l-Tarheeb, 2/430. al-Haafiz Ibn Hajar indicated that it is hasan in al-Talkhees al-Habeer, 1/236)

      Ibn Qudaamah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

      If a person does not know any Qur’aan, and he cannot learn it before the time for prayer is over, then he must say Subhaan-Allaah wa’l-hamdu Lillaah wa laa ilaaha ill-Allaah wa Allaahu akbar wa laa hawla wa la quwwata illa Billaah (Glory be to Allaah, praise be to Allaah, there is no god except Allaah, Allaah is Most great and there is no power and no strength except with Allaah), because Abu Dawood narrated that a man came to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and said, “I am not able to learn anything of the Qur’aan, so teach me something that will suffice me.” He said, “Say, Subhaan-Allaah wa’l-hamdu Lillaah wa laa ilaaha ill-Allaah wa Allaahu akbar wa laa hawla wa la quwwata illa Billaah.” The man said, “This is for my Lord, what is there for me?” He said, “Say: Allaahumma ighfir li warhamni warzuqni wahdini wa ‘aafini (O Allaah, forgive me, have mercy on me, grant me provision, guide me, and give me good health).” But he does not have to do more than say the first five phrases, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) only said that, and he only told him more when he asked for more.

      (end of Ibn Qudaamah’s words)

      But if a person is able to recite part of al-Faatihah only, he should recite that which he is able to recite. And he has to repeat what he can recite well (i.e., so that the total number of what he recites will be seven verses, equivalent to the number of verses in al-Faatihah).

      Ibn Qudaamah said:

      It may be sufficient for him to say alhamdu-Lillaah (praise be to Allaah), laa ilaaha ill-Allaah (there is no god but Allaah) and Allaahu akbar (Allaah is most great), because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whatever you know of Qur’aan, recite it, otherwise praise Allaah, proclaim His Oneness and magnify Him.” (Narrated by Abu Dawood)

      (al-Mughni, 1/289, 290)

      What you have read about the prayer being invalid if the worshipper mispronounces a single letter of al-Faatihah cannot be taken as general in meaning. Not every mistake in al-Faatihah invalidates the prayer; rather it cannot be invalidated unless something is omitted from al-Faatihah, or the pronunciation is changed in a way that distorts the meaning. Moreover, this ruling on the prayer becoming invalid applies to those who are able to recite al-Faatihah correctly or who are able to learn it but do not.

      As for those who are unable to do so, they should recite it as best as they can, and that does not affect them, because Allaah does not burden a soul beyond its scope. One of the basic principles established by the scholars is that nothing is obligatory when a person is unable to do it. See al-Mughni, 2/154.

      In this case a person should recite al-Faatihah as best as he is able, and then glorify Allaah, praise Him, magnify Him and proclaim His Oneness (by saying Subhaan-Allaah wa’l-hamdu Lillaah wa Allaahu akbar wa laa ilaaha ill-Allaah), so that this will make up for whatever he has missed out of al-Faatihah.

      See al-Majmoo’, 3/375.

      Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) was asked:

      Is the prayer of one who mispronounces al-Faatihah valid or not?

      He replied:

      If a person mispronounces al-Faatihah in a way that does not distort the meaning, his prayer is valid, whether he is leading others in prayer or is praying alone.

      But with regard to the kind of mispronunciation that distorts the meaning, if the person knows the meaning, such as if he says ‘Siraat allaadheena an’amtu ‘alayhim [meaning “The way of those on whom I have bestowed my grace”, instead of the correct version an’amta (The way of those on whom You have bestowed Your Grace)], and he knows that this verbal form is wrong, then the prayer is not valid. But if he does not know that he is distorting the meaning, and he thinks that this form is second person singular rather than first person, then there is a difference of scholarly opinion on this point. And Allaah knows best.

      Majmoo’ al-Fataawam 22/443

      He was also asked about when a person ends a word with –i that should end in –a when praying (or renders it genitive when it should be accusative).

      He replied:

      If he is aware of what he is doing and he does it deliberately, then his prayer is invalid, because he is playing about in his prayer. But if he is unaware of that, then his prayer is not invalid, according to one of the two scholarly views.

      Majmoo’ al-Fataawa, 22/444

      So you must try hard and keep practising it. You can do this by reciting it to another Muslim sister who can recite it well, and by listening to soorahs recited by skilled reciters on tapes or broadcasts.

      There is no need to feel nervous and anxious, because Allaah knows what is in people’s hearts, and He knows who is trying hard and making the effort, and who is lazy and heedless.

      The difficulty that you find in reciting Qur’aan will increase your hasanaat (good deeds) and rewards. It was narrated that ‘Aaishah (may Allaah be pleased with her) said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The one who is skilled in reciting Qur’aan will be with the noble and obedient scribes (i.e., the angels?) and the one who reads the Qur’aan and struggles with it because it is difficult for him will have two rewards.”

      (Narrated by Muslim, 798)

      Al-Nawawi (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

      The one who struggles with it is the one who is hesitant in his recitation because he is not able to memorize it well. He will have two rewards: the reward for reciting it and the reward for his efforts in reciting it.

      There is no need to repeat verses more than once, because this is not what the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) did or taught. Rather that opens the door to waswaas (whispers from the Shaytaan), detracts from the prayer, makes you lose your focus, distracts you from pondering the meaning of the verses and makes the Shaytaan happy, because from that he can find a way to make you suffer so that you will ultimately give up praying. But Allaah is Most Gracious and Most Merciful, and He is more merciful towards us than we are to ourselves, and He does not burden us with more than we can bear .

    80. Michel September 19th, 2009 at 3:35 pm

      @ Frank;

      If a non-Arab convert is not able to recite the Qur’an and other parts of the salat in Arabic immediately after becoming Muslim, then there are differences of opinions in what he should do.According to the opinions of Imam Abu Yusuf (ra) and Imam Muhammad (ra) – two great disciples of Imam Abu Hanifa (ra) – a person can translate them in his language and read them in salat. But he must immediately start learning to be able to make the salat in Arabic.

      Source – http://www.welcome-back.org/question/salat_english.shtml

    81. Anonymundo September 20th, 2009 at 3:48 am

      Truly is disgusting and shameful what is happening to the Palestinians whilst we stand there doing nothing.

      Letting our Bothers and Sisters be abused throughout their lives.

      May Allah (SWT) keep us steadfast on the Deen, and help us. Ameen.

    82. Frank September 20th, 2009 at 7:55 pm

      @Michel, now you can see I was correct all along. If you get to know me, or even read my comments on this site you will see that integrity is the most imporant thing to me in this life. That is why I never lie or show bias. There is a surah in the koran that talks about always being about the truth, even if it is against yourself, that is one thing I’ve taken away from my experience of being a Muslim. I’m the epitome of masculinity, not because I’m tough, but because I keep my emotions in check, and make decisions without bias. This allows me to treat all people and situations with equality and justice.

      Hail Truth!!

      Hail Victory!!

    83. Michel September 20th, 2009 at 11:34 pm

      @ Frank

      What are you talking about that you were right? I showed you there is a difference of opinion, in contrast to what you said. :)

    84. Frank September 21st, 2009 at 12:57 am

      Michel I was right, there is no difference of opinion that matters. If you’re a Muslim prayers are only valid in Arabic, nothing else counts. You’re a stubborn woman to keep going on about it.

    85. Michel September 21st, 2009 at 2:13 am

      @ Frank

      I would rather take the opinions of qualified Scholars who know what they are talking about, then you who doesn’t. And some in fact, did state it is still valid, in a language other than Arabic, for a non-Arab convert who is not able to recite the Qur’an and other parts of the salat in Arabic, although one must immediately start learning to be able to make the prayer in Arabic. So that is the view I’m talking about. :)

    86. Zookeeper September 21st, 2009 at 10:28 am

      What can we do about the slaughter of Muslims in Palestine and around the world?

      Praise be to Allaah.

      1- You have to make du’aa’, and recite du’a’ al-qunoot in your salaah (prayer).

      2- Collect charity and send it through trustworthy channels.

      3- Support the weak and oppressed in all ways, including the media and the internet.

      4- Get scholars, daa’iyahs, khateebs and writers to explain the oppression that is happening and the negligence on the part of the ummah, and to mobilize the ummah to defend the holy places.

      5- Check on one’s own intentions with regard to fighting for the sake of Allaah, and see whether he is applying the hadeeth of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him): “Whoever dies without having fought for the sake of Allaah or having had the intention of doing so, has died following one of the branches of hypocrisy.” (Saheeh Muslim, no. 3533)

      6- Pursuing all the means of building up material and moral strength, in preparation for meeting the enemy (in battle).

      7- Reminding oneself and others of the virtues of martyrdom for the sake of Allaah and studying the rulings on jihad, and not having an attachment to this world.

      8- Doing as much damage as possible to the enemies who are in a state of war with us, by boycotting their products, attacking them verbally and in writing to humiliate and annoy them, and to point out their kufr and shirk, and their insults to Allaah, His Messenger and the believers, publishing as much as possible in the audio-visual and print media about this serious topic whilst also connecting that to Islamic belief and the words of Allaah and His Messenger,

      We ask Allaah the Exalted and All-Powerful to support His religion and cause His word to prevail.

      http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/21284/palestine

    87. Dave September 21st, 2009 at 7:39 pm

      How was that image captured? Video?

    88. Abu Hamzah Al yemeni September 30th, 2009 at 1:22 am

      See. something like this makes me mad. We should not wait until this is our actual mother or sister. No. we should not. May Allah make them suffer like the people of lut, ad, thamood, and hood! I wish for them guidance as the sunnah of the Prophet(Peace be be upon him), but punishment is what they deserve. May Allah break that guy’s hands. Tab’at yadaaho watab.

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