The End - 2000 to 2009

An Open Letter to President Obama from Michael Moore

Dear President Obama,

Do you really want to be the new “war president”? If you go to West Point tomorrow night (Tuesday, 8pm) and announce that you are increasing, rather than withdrawing, the troops in Afghanistan, you are the new war president. Pure and simple. And with that you will do the worst possible thing you could do — destroy the hopes and dreams so many millions have placed in you. With just one speech tomorrow night you will turn a multitude of young people who were the backbone of your campaign into disillusioned cynics. You will teach them what they’ve always heard is true — that all politicians are alike. I simply can’t believe you’re about to do what they say you are going to do. Please say it isn’t so.

It is not your job to do what the generals tell you to do. We are a civilian-run government. WE tell the Joint Chiefs what to do, not the other way around. That’s the way General Washington insisted it must be. That’s what President Truman told General MacArthur when MacArthur wanted to invade China. “You’re fired!,” said Truman, and that was that. And you should have fired Gen. McChrystal when he went to the press to preempt you, telling the press what YOU had to do. Let me be blunt: We love our kids in the armed services, but we f*#&in’ hate these generals, from Westmoreland in Vietnam to, yes, even Colin Powell for lying to the UN with his made-up drawings of WMD (he has since sought redemption).

So now you feel backed into a corner. 30 years ago this past Thursday (Thanksgiving) the Soviet generals had a cool idea — “Let’s invade Afghanistan!” Well, that turned out to be the final nail in the USSR coffin.

There’s a reason they don’t call Afghanistan the “Garden State” (though they probably should, seeing how the corrupt President Karzai, whom we back, has his brother in the heroin trade raising poppies). Afghanistan’s nickname is the “Graveyard of Empires.” If you don’t believe it, give the British a call. I’d have you call Genghis Khan but I lost his number. I do have Gorbachev’s number though. It’s + 41 22 789 1662. I’m sure he could give you an earful about the historic blunder you’re about to commit.

With our economic collapse still in full swing and our precious young men and women being sacrificed on the altar of arrogance and greed, the breakdown of this great civilization we call America will head, full throttle, into oblivion if you become the “war president.” Empires never think the end is near, until the end is here. Empires think that more evil will force the heathens to toe the line — and yet it never works. The heathens usually tear them to shreds.

Choose carefully, President Obama. You of all people know that it doesn’t have to be this way. You still have a few hours to listen to your heart, and your own clear thinking. You know that nothing good can come from sending more troops halfway around the world to a place neither you nor they understand, to achieve an objective that neither you nor they understand, in a country that does not want us there. You can feel it in your bones.

I know you know that there are LESS than a hundred al-Qaeda left in Afghanistan! A hundred thousand troops trying to crush a hundred guys living in caves? Are you serious? Have you drunk Bush’s Kool-Aid? I refuse to believe it.

Your potential decision to expand the war (while saying that you’re doing it so you can “end the war”) will do more to set your legacy in stone than any of the great things you’ve said and done in your first year. One more throwing a bone from you to the Republicans and the coalition of the hopeful and the hopeless may be gone — and this nation will be back in the hands of the haters quicker than you can shout “tea bag!”

Choose carefully, Mr. President. Your corporate backers are going to abandon you as soon as it is clear you are a one-term president and that the nation will be safely back in the hands of the usual idiots who do their bidding. That could be Wednesday morning.

We the people still love you. We the people still have a sliver of hope. But we the people can’t take it anymore. We can’t take your caving in, over and over, when we elected you by a big, wide margin of millions to get in there and get the job done. What part of “landslide victory” don’t you understand?

Don’t be deceived into thinking that sending a few more troops into Afghanistan will make a difference, or earn you the respect of the haters. They will not stop until this country is torn asunder and every last dollar is extracted from the poor and soon-to-be poor. You could send a million troops over there and the crazy Right still wouldn’t be happy. You would still be the victim of their incessant venom on hate radio and television because no matter what you do, you can’t change the one thing about yourself that sends them over the edge.

The haters were not the ones who elected you, and they can’t be won over by abandoning the rest of us.

President Obama, it’s time to come home. Ask your neighbors in Chicago and the parents of the young men and women doing the fighting and dying if they want more billions and more troops sent to Afghanistan. Do you think they will say, “No, we don’t need health care, we don’t need jobs, we don’t need homes. You go on ahead, Mr. President, and send our wealth and our sons and daughters overseas, ’cause we don’t need them, either.”

What would Martin Luther King, Jr. do? What would your grandmother do? Not send more poor people to kill other poor people who pose no threat to them, that’s what they’d do. Not spend billions and trillions to wage war while American children are sleeping on the streets and standing in bread lines.

All of us that voted and prayed for you and cried the night of your victory have endured an Orwellian hell of eight years of crimes committed in our name: torture, rendition, suspension of the bill of rights, invading nations who had not attacked us, blowing up neighborhoods that Saddam “might” be in (but never was), slaughtering wedding parties in Afghanistan. We watched as hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians were slaughtered and tens of thousands of our brave young men and women were killed, maimed, or endured mental anguish — the full terror of which we scarcely know.

When we elected you we didn’t expect miracles. We didn’t even expect much change. But we expected some. We thought you would stop the madness. Stop the killing. Stop the insane idea that men with guns can reorganize a nation that doesn’t even function as a nation and never, ever has.

Stop, stop, stop! For the sake of the lives of young Americans and Afghan civilians, stop. For the sake of your presidency, hope, and the future of our nation, stop. For God’s sake, stop.

Tonight we still have hope.

Tomorrow, we shall see. The ball is in your court. You DON’T have to do this. You can be a profile in courage. You can be your mother’s son.

We’re counting on you.

Yours,
Michael Moore
MMFlint@aol.com
MichaelMoore.com

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  • 17 Responses for "An Open Letter to President Obama from Michael Moore"

    1. Abdullah November 30th, 2009 at 9:42 pm

      For a letter to the president, it could have been a bit more formal.

    2. Mark November 30th, 2009 at 9:55 pm

      Abdullah,

      Moore was only being a bit emotional in order to get the point across.

      We should leave the middle east and the Afghans and Iraqis alone. We should focus on our own problems and let them handle their own. They CAN do it, and we have no right to police the world.

      I believe there are two true reasons why we stay: Resource interests and military domination over those resources in central Asia, and the opium and drug trades there. It’s a HUGE market going there.

      The part about kids standing in lines for bread is spot on. Obama needs to really, really think about this. What he will say tomorrow will affect his entire tenure as president and his entire legacy as well.

      I also think we should actually, you know, HELP the people in that region who need help but without direct assistance. The wars we start, and the slaughtering of innocent civilians that happens now will come back to haunt the later generations of Westerners for the actions our dumb politicians and idiot military commanders committed.

    3. Chris December 1st, 2009 at 5:04 am

      It is formal enough

    4. Zookeeper December 1st, 2009 at 12:00 pm

      Abdullah it is an open letter, he is obviously writing that way to entertain the public that is going to read it.

    5. Danf December 1st, 2009 at 3:52 pm

      Just heard obama’s sending 30,000 more troops to Afghanistan. How utterly pathetic.

    6. al-suyuufi December 1st, 2009 at 5:02 pm

      Well for a presidential family, the Obama’s sure could act more formal themselves.

    7. AS December 2nd, 2009 at 1:30 am

      30 000 more troops!? What a coward.

    8. Amazing! December 2nd, 2009 at 9:24 am

      In fact, say many U.S. officers, the Afghan mindset works against building a military force. Afghans have a “God-willing mentality” that “delays progress for all routine and major actions,” U.S. Army Colonel Scot Mackenzie wrote in a study for the Army War College last year. Information is power, and senior leaders hold on to it tightly. They prefer faxes to e-mails because they like “paper in their hands, as opposed to data on a disk,” Mackenzie said. Such tendencies freeze “subordinates into doing nothing until specifically ordered,” he added. “Taking risk or initiative has historically been seen as a good way to wind up in prison or dead.”

      http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20091202/us_time/08599194455600

    9. Amazing! December 3rd, 2009 at 12:15 am

      http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8390683.stm

      more!

      But with further study and guidance, he came to understand that the Prophet Mohammed forbids extremism.

      “I can understand how these people become radicalised. What they need to understand is that this religion isn’t based on our own emotions, it’s based upon what the Prophet taught us.”

    10. Jihaad is fard. December 3rd, 2009 at 1:49 am

      Mrs. Moore: President Obama’s depositing troops to afganistan was part of the plan, even before the elections stupid.

      While Obama sends more murderers to afganistan to kill more innocent beings, You mujahideen ryder sit here and do nothing and speak ill about awlaki and others whom only try to stop the US terror upon afganistan.

      Ali (RA) said (paraphased) : when two groups of muslims are seperated, the more rightouse among them are the ones that the kuffaar point there arrows at.

      You and the Secular “moderate” muslims walk and support us terror. This is wrong and it is against the Sunna.

      It is about time the world opens there eyes….for god’s sake, when someone says that he knows the truth and that he believes in la illaha ilallah, muhammedarasulullah and that you are commiting mistakes,,, you are to listen to what he has to say. For God’s sake I encourage every one to listen to Awlaki’s lectures on the state of the umma. We are reaching the end of times. The times when the fitna would be so intense that even muslims woud seperate!

      “Moderate” muslims sleep and pray in america and the west. While the mujaahideen fight and pray in the middle east against the terror america gives them. Many of you “moderate” muslims just don’t get it do you? Do you have any idea where your taxes are going to. NO…not to the schools who cant even afford paper…NO…not to health care of which many of you dont even have…NO NO NO…on F-22s and Missles that are used to kill your muslim brothers and sisters in the desert that are seen by human rights groups as “civilians and orphans”.

      It is time for “Moderate” muslims to follow the order of the quran. It is time for you to open your eyesand look at what your corupted governmnet in the west and the east is doing. Look at the ant-islamic spending in DUBAI. Billions of money spent in Dubai for luxery rather then survival for the poor around the world. And You MR and “moderate” muslims stand here to say it is wrong to carry the right to overturn these governments and carry Gods law of Jihaad upon HIS land?!

      Many of those who read this will say, i am not on the right path and I am not Rightly Guided.

      All I can say is that you are wrong.
      A sheike came to my town and talk us how to pray salaat Astakhara.
      I Prayed it for 6 days straight…and on the 6th night, I had a dream. A dream in which Game me my answer and i am not going to discuss it here. A LLAH GAVE ME MY ANSWER… and its time you ask him for your answer. Its time that you realise then Awlaki is on the truth.

      Its time you find your place on these trials and tribulations. Its time we all go back to the sunna.

      Obama has doen nothing to help muslims, but rather has ordered more troops to kills us. Cant you all see that they are trying to ellimunate the “true” muslims and change our deen, and make us followers of them the the Shayatheen.

      May allah show us all the right path. Ameen.

    11. Amazing! December 3rd, 2009 at 2:00 am

      I’ll tell you what time it is: Time to shut your mouth and return YOURSELF and YOURSELF only to the sunnah. If you create for us a great example in doing so, we will follow suit, but based on your remarks, you’re straight trippin’ at the gates of hell, homie. You know nobody is going to listen to you in an online forum (you crazy?). Welcome to 2010, sister. Damn cuz, with such nonsense exploding out of your mouth and with such a lack of wisdom, and with such a lack of scholarly understanding of the material you present above, I’m wondering, maybe YOU work for the government. At the same rate, don’t expect much out of MR–he’s just HUMAN! He’s doing, for now, what he deems fit, and that’s that. Move forward, not backwards, chief.
      Peace.

    12. Al Sudani December 3rd, 2009 at 6:29 am

      @ Amazing!

      The truth can be bitter and difficult to swallow at times. ‘Jihaad is fard’ clearly spoke the truth, and the best you could do is use your emotions to respond, since you know well you couldn’t refute him.

      So instead of using your emotions, why don’t you prove him wrong, and refute him, if you disagree with him?

    13. al-Suyuufi December 3rd, 2009 at 9:07 am

      Amazing! –

      1) It’s mandatory for people to call to the Sunnah, contrary to your individualist mentality when you said, “return YOURSELF and YOURSELF only to the sunnah.”

      2) Think sincerely. If he did set an example by acting on his words, wouldn’t you just say more of the same against him? “Oh, he’s an extremist, blah blah blah.”

      3) Don’t be so quick to accuse a brother of Nifaaq (i.e. working for the government against Muslims).

    14. MR December 3rd, 2009 at 11:26 am

      @Jihaad is Fard – Where did I speak ill of Awlaki? Also I’m not that learned, but I know that the majority of scholars who have dedicated their lives to studying the deen refuted Al-Qaeda and the Taliban for years now. If amongst the Taliban there is disagreement. If you know about Afghanistan you know that each village and town is autonomous and that a central government won’t work in Afghanistan. There are groups that fight against the Taliban and also fight against the US occupation. In this war there are many sides and not just two.

      Back to Awlaki. He’s an American and has spent most his life in America and only the past few years been in the Muslim world. If you listen to his lectures you can clearly see some misunderstandings of Islam. In the “State of the Ummah” lecture he says you can even work with the shia in Jihad. This is interesting because the Zaidi Shia are fighting the Yemeni government in North Yemen. There is also a presence of Al-Qaeda militants in North Yemen who are also fighting the government. Guess where Awlaki is?

      What do you of Awlaki’s family? His father is part of the government and a minister. Do you think his own father approves of his words? Don’t you think his wife and children miss him? They are currently with his father who is protecting them. A man who works for the Yemeni government is protecting his own wife and children and yet he will say it’s fard to do Jihad against the Yemeni government. According to his own ideology anyone who works for any Muslim countries government is a kafir. Does that make Awlaki’s own father a kafir? AstagfirAllah. May Allah forgive us all.

      I am not speaking ill of Awlaki, I’m speaking of what he says in his lectures. It is shocking and sad. Then again it could be a tool by the government to attract more young innocent brothers to go and “join the jihad” and then increase the funding for the American military machine in order to fight the “growing terrorist threat”.

      Lastly, according to the Taliban and Al-Qaeda, there are only a few thousand Muslims in the world, because everyone else is kafir. With an ideology like that, how can that be the haqq?

      May Allah guide us all and have mercy on us all.

    15. Jihaad is Fard December 4th, 2009 at 1:37 am

      Bismillah Al-Rahmaan Al-Raheem
      All praise be to Allah, the lord of the worlds.

      @ Amazing!
      I find your comments quite disturbing…every one of the sentences you posted on your latest post. Therefore I will post a reply to each and every one of them

      “Time to shut your mouth and return YOURSELF and YOURSELF only to the sunnah” –What you have said is contridicting. I am not trying to point mistakes out of you but only to give you the message and leave the “guiding” and “understanding” to Allah. You are saying I should return myself ONLY to the sunnah. WHAT ABOUT THE QURAN. Indeed we use the sunnah to interpret parts of the quran, but there is no true “sunna” without the quran. Please don’t forget that Allah has prescribed Jihaad on us just as he had prescribed fasting upon us! Please don’t forget that Rasulullah did Jihaad in a condition that is similer to ours.

      “If you create for us a great example in doing so, we will follow suit, but based on your remarks, you’re straight trippin’ at the gates of hell, homie.” — so i am trippin’ at the gates of hell by saying that we should all do jihaad as our lord has orders us? I am trippin because i am saying that we should stop those americans that murder and terrorise OUR brothers and sisters around the world? I am trippin because I am saying we should do what the framers of the constitution of the United SNAKEs of Amererica justified: Overthrowing a corrupt government. Are ou are saying that i am falling into the hell fire for going against todays governments and saying Jihaad is a must upon us?!!!! Are you saying, that i am going to fall into hell becasue i am saying that the majority of the umma is not understanding the conditions this world is in?!!!!

      “You know nobody is going to listen to you in an online forum (you crazy?)” –Actually to be honest, I know that there will be quite a lot of people going to listen to me. people like Al Sudan?–may allah reward him. more then 500 people regulerly post in Awlaki’s blog (before the blog’s shutdown), yet how many post in MR’s or Suhaib Webb’s?

      “Welcome to 2010, sister” — I am a brother, and I am going to assume you are a brother, am i correct? 2010—so you are saying welcome to 1400 years later to modern time? Jihaad will carry off from Rasulullahs time to the day of judgment, no matter what you say, or what many “modern muslims” say.

      “Damn cuz, with such nonsense exploding out of your mouth and with such a lack of wisdom, and with such a lack of scholarly understanding of the material you present above…” –ok then, if I am speaking nonsense, and i lack wisdom, and i lack scholarly understanding, mabey you can provide me with wisdom and a scholarly understanding???? MR, may allah guide him, has posted trying to correct my understanding, whereas you just attacked me through emotions and accusations. FOR GODS SAKE, I AM YOUR MUSLIM BROTHER AND YOU ARE MY MUSLIM BROTHER…whether you like it or not.

      “I’m wondering, maybe YOU work for the government.” –I’ll tell you straight and forward right now and I hope that I don’t have to repeat it agian… I do not work in any way with the terrorist organisation of the United SNAKES of America. It is treason to work for them when they send missles to my brothers and sisters in Afganistan and Iraq.

      “At the same rate, don’t expect much out of MR–he’s just HUMAN! He’s doing, for now, what he deems fit, and that’s that. Move forward, not backwards, chief.” –So I should expect the support of Jihaad by a beleiver such as MR? I am pretty sure MR supports Jihaad. What he is doing now is good, but however posting that damn “open letter” to awlaki a few weeks ago was a big mistake (I am not saying that he wrote that letter…he supported it by posting it).

      “Peace” — Such is the saying of the Mercifull lord. Peace, Mercy and Guidence be upon you my Brother in Islam.

      @Al-Sudani
      May allah reward you and guide you to the right path, the path of those allah favored, not of those who earned allah’s wrath, nor the path of those whom gone astray. Indeed the path of those allah favored are the ones who accepted Jihaad fisabillilah. The path of those who won Jarusullum from the jews after Musa (AS). And the path of those who will win Jarusullum with Isa (AS)

      @MR
      Prease forgive me for assuming that you were talking ill about Awlaki.

      “Also I’m not that learned, but I know that the majority of scholars who have dedicated their lives to studying the deen refuted Al-Qaeda and the Taliban for years now.” –Brother, I am also not that learned, but I know that When Salahuddin gathered troops to fight against the crusaders, majority of the scholers of the time objected against his actions misusing there knowledge of the quran and sunnah. Many scholars can spends years, even decades in studying deed, but what use is it when you are not going to use it correctly. Before Rasulullah died, he order an army to go and fight the romans at the same place the battle of Mu’tah took place. Rasulullah dies before the army left. After the death of Rasullullah, All of the Arab tribes that surrounded medina apostated. So amny of the leared Sahabas told abu bakr that they should not send these tropps to jihaad over the romans while they face probles at there home. They argued that the marching to the romans was inapropriate for the time. Abu Bakr said that is was an order of the prophet and his job was to carry it on. So the army marched to the romans. Herculas, was suprised by this. He said that the muslims’ leader is dead and yet they are still carrying his order, this is a war we cannot fight…and then the romans surrenderd to the muslims. The lesson that we can learn is, is that even after the prophet’s death, Jihaad has carried on just as it is supposed to. And no matter was “learned” people say, Jihaad will face bo exceptions and excused for any nation to not accept. What the Talibaan are doing is Jihaad. The Western media is just spaming the muslims’ with lies of what they are doing. Another great lie is the existence of Al-Qaida. Bush made up this name and named it after a couple of groups who claimed to be mujahideen.

      “In the “State of the Ummah” lecture he says you can even work with the shia in Jihad” This is true. If the shia is fighting for your same casue, you can fight with him. there is nothing wrong with this since a shia claims to believe “la illaha ilallah, muhammedarasulullah” we are to assume that is a muslim.

      “This is interesting because the Zaidi Shia are fighting the Yemeni government in North Yemen. There is also a presence of Al-Qaeda militants in North Yemen who are also fighting the government. Guess where Awlaki is?” –you are going to have to forgive me again…I do not get where you are getting at this statement…

      And about his family, may allah reward them for their patience. I did not know about his father working for the government, but if this is really true, then I feel sorry for Awlaki’s father. Allah has given Awlaki’s Father a blessed son full of knowledge and truth, and yet the father chooses to reject it. This is what many of the Arab leaders in the east are doing just as the munafiqeen were doing in the prophets time. Also, I HAVE NEVER EVER HEARD IN ANY OF AWLAKI’S LECTURES OF HIM SAYING THAT THESE LEADERS ARE KAFFERS. Awlaki has only said that they are gangsters which is seen to be true. MR, why don’t you go look at the condition of Gaza and the condition of this umma, and the condition of the poor ones umongst this umma, and then look at the rich white palace of King Abdullah, and go take a look at Dubia, and go take a look how they are selling oil to a country that is using the oil as fuel to enrich their abilty to bomb Gaza. These Arab leaders are nothing but Allies of the United Snakes of America, and this is Treason according to the Sunnah and the Quran. These are the governments that have arrested rightious muslim scholers for political reasons. These are the governments when the old Imam of Masjid aL-Nabawi objected to the non-seperation of the prophets toom to the actual prayer area, he was fired…look at this fitna. Again the truth might be bitter and difficult to follow, but open your eyes and look at this dunya…this dunya that Dajjal will come and present fitna that would “have a man as a believer in the morning, and then apostate in the night (in hadith)”. And yet you find it hard to believe that Awlaki’s father, a man who works for the yemeni governenment, a government that is fighting AGAINST the mujaahideen, is commiting treason, and that therefore is an enemy of ISLAM…
      May allah give you guidence ameen.

      “I am not speaking ill of Awlaki, I’m speaking of what he says in his lectures. It is shocking and sad. Then again it could be a tool by the government to attract more young innocent brothers to go and “join the jihad” and then increase the funding for the American military machine in order to fight the “growing terrorist threat”.”

      —ok, again, forgive me for attacking you and claiming that you spoke ill of him. on the topic of the us war against terror. I want you to understand that is not a war against terror. Is it a war on terror when so many cildren in Gaza were converted to be orphans in less then a month in January 2009?! Its a war on Islam. Its a war on the Mujaahideen. If this war increases the expense the kuffaar must pay against fighting the a group that justs get growing…THEN THAT JUST PROOVES MY POINT!!!! THAT JUST PROOVES THAT THE KUFFAR ARE SPENDIING TO FIGHT THE TRUTH, NOT THE EVIL. Mr, You need to realize that EVERY WAR requires the loosing side to increase its funding in order to prevail its dignity, significance, and dominance. The US is loosing in this war just as Allah says in the Quran. Allah says in the quran that “They shall never succeed”, for Allah is all mighty and he protects his believers. You are acting like America’s funding is a problem for you… I’ll tell you this. It is a problem for you if you pay their taxes that are forced upon you. If you don’t want to pay these taxes, then do hijra to a place where you could practice your deen while not supporting a terrorist government (i am not saying that you support them since you are not choosing to pay these war debts) This is what the Muhaajiroon did. They left all their belongins and families and lives in mecca and migrated to Madina. I dont see how it is harder many american “modern” muslims to do what they did for the sake of Allah.

      “Lastly, according to the Taliban and Al-Qaeda, there are only a few thousand Muslims in the world, because everyone else is kafir. With an ideology like that, how can that be the haqq?”

      —where did you get this view?!!! I know where and it make perfect sense of where you got it form. WESTERN MEDIA. These kuffaar are doing whatever it takes to seperate the umma. This view is wrong and is not adopted by the mujahideen and people like Awlaki. We only believe that there are only a few following the order of Jihaad and the rest are ignorently not being influenced by the wrong techings the westerners are putting into the “modern” muslims mindset.

      It’s important you know know how the term “moderate” muslims came to be about. Its a term givin by the kuffaar in interpretting are deen. They say that if you do not support Jihaad and that you support the satisfaction of having no need to overthrow a democratic governement for being “democradic”, you are a moderate muslim. If you believe that there is no need for the us or any other government of the world to change its courses…even through violent measures, to change its courses and adopt the Sharia, the LAW Of GOD in the quran, and some parts of the BIBLE, you are a moderate muslim. If you believe that the seperation of church and state was ok and it is not ok to fight untill this disrespectfull calamity is removed, you are a moderate muslims. These are kaafirs trying to interprit our deen through western media rather then the quran. They (the US government) are even funding a few school material for some of the “islamic” schools in the arab world. They are hiding the idea of Jihaad in the schools and replacing it with democracy and “moderate” islam. They are trying to change our religon. Through this, through all the taxes and funding and oil, they are trying to change Islam to Kufr. These are the Works of Shaytaan, and They will fail and they have failed just as Allah has promised.

      May Allah, Guid us, have mercy, unite us to his deen, the deen of Rasulullah and the Taabi’een. AMEEN

      All Praise be to Allah, the most Wise, the most knowledgable.

    16. Akhee December 4th, 2009 at 3:17 pm

      Jihaad is Fard – Ahlus sunna wal jamaa do not fight with the kuffar including Shia. Where do you get your aqeedah from? Al-Qaeda fights against the Shia. The Taliban fight against the Shia. Would you fight with the Ahmadi? Would you fight with the yahood? Would you fight with the Hindus? Buddhists? This further prooves the ignroance and deviance of Awlali.

      Jihaad is Fard, why don’t you read the works on Jihad by Shaykh al-Albanee or even classical writtings by Shaykh ul Islaam Ibn Taymiyyah (rahimullaah). Or better go further to the works of Imaam Ahmed ibn Hanbal.

      The daleel is clear and Awlaki and the likes have transgressed the boundaries.

    17. MR December 4th, 2009 at 6:31 pm

      @Jihaad is Fard – Awlaki said all the Muslim governments have apostated from the deen thus every Muslim must fight them since they are kufar. He also said that qital is everywhere in the world meaning everywhere Muslims should be fighting and engaging in Jihad. His blog is down which discusses the governments, it was how the Somali government established shariah, but the way he did it was wrong and that al-Shabab must continue it’s “jihad” against them. The qital comment was also in the State of the Ummah lecture. So to Awlaki and his followers every piece of land in the entire world is part of the jihad battlefield.

      I have to disagree completely with this methodology and opinion. The teachers that I have listened differ on the obligation of Jihaad. Don’t get me wrong. I support the Jihad in Afghanistan, Iraq and Palestine. It is obligatory to defend your homeland. I am against the occupation of all 3 countries. America and Israel are committing atrocities left and right. We have to end this war by any means necessary and that includes non-Jihadi ways. For example the Iraqi government has taken control of parts of Iraq and American forces have left those areas, but yet Muslims are still fighting each other. This has to end. First route out the invaders and occupiers then figure out how to establish God’s law on the Muslim lands. I believe strongly in I wrote a few months back. You have the right to disagree with me, that’s fine, but don’t discount your brothers and sisters who disagree with Awlaki and the current Jihad by Al-Qaeda and the Taliban.

      On a side not, you should know that Al-Qaeda does not agree nor would they fight alongside with Hamas/Hezbullah. So even within the groups engaging in war with America, there are differences. You also have to remember the only jihad going on right now is defensive, and it will probably stay like that until the Mahdi comes. Allah knows best. May Allah unite us upon the haqq and remove the batil. Ameen!

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